EPTMLG 2011 Circuit Prize Money Announced - Page 15
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Poland611 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On February 04 2011 07:37 Slasher wrote: Some of the things said in this thread are completely asinine. The prize money for SC2 and Halo per player is exactly the same for all regular season stops, and is double for the finals. Halo and Black Ops are team games - it is extremely important that individual players are paid the same - for the players. The only thing that matters is the total prize purse. If you give Halo 100k and SC 50k then what you are saying is that Halo is twice as important to the sponsors. | ||
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
On February 04 2011 08:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I don't see the importance of players of different games getting paid the same. I think the payout for each game needs to be competitive with other (non MLG) tournaments' payouts, which are different for each game. I think they need to be enough to draw good enough players to have a good competition, which could be different for each game. And I think that the games that carry the Pro Circuit on their shoulders for the lesser games on the circuit ought to give bigger payouts to the players (for example, the SC2 2010 payouts were completely reasonable). I think MLG has done a good job with the payouts but that has nothing to do with the per player payouts being the same between their biggest games. This is the first time MLG has given equal billing, support, and stages for multiple games at the same time. So I think it's important the players are treated along the same lines with regards to prize money. I completely agree it needs to be competitive with the non-MLG tournaments because you need the best players to show up. But that magical number is almost always impossible to define nor denote specifically. All of North America, TL and most of the high-profile Europeans came to the MLG's last year. All of Europe, some Americans and two koreans went to DH, and will be going to Assembly. Maximum prize money for these has been around ironically $14,000. So if lets say we wanted the Koreans to go to MLG, maybe the prize purse is good enough. If it's not, how much more is needed? And aside from that, how many multiple other factors are in place (MLG's exposure and branding being more important than prize money, lure of America for Koreans besides Blizzcon, players have to get knocked out of GSL first to attend, other Korean tournaments, sponsor availability, etc etc). | ||
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Poland611 Posts
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ZergMaestro
United States169 Posts
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
On February 04 2011 06:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote: A 4 player game does not naturally get 4 times the sponsorship money. The fact that Halo is a 4 player competition could just as easily explain Halo players winning 1/4 the money of SC players. Sponsors have no reason to care that it takes 4 times as many players to put on a Halo match as it does an SC match. If Halo matches and SC matches draw similar crowds, then they justify equal amounts of money from sponsors. I think what happens is MLG says "$5000 is a big enough first place prize to draw good players" so they budget that for the prize and use the rest of the sponsorship money for other things. So if SC and Halo are able to bring in equal crowds, then MLG is valuing its SC players at 1/4 the value of Halo players. Halo players would have to be drawing in a crowd worth more than 4 times as much as SC's crowd in order for MLG to be valuing SC players higher than Halo players. That's not happening. MLG just values us lower than them because that's all that matters is having enough prize money to draw the best players. Any more than that is a waste. http://twitter.com/#!/MLGLee/status/33300993466695682 | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
This IS the biggest event there is here, and if we want to break away from having everything in Korea, this is what we need. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/213495-2011-pro-circuit-job-openings/ Compensation: Pay, Catered staff meal access, Free hotel and flight, expenses reimbursed Anyone who wants to be at the events for free, Sign up! | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
Another way to look at is that if you are #8 in SC2 you make money equal to Halo player #32. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Highways
Australia6120 Posts
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
On February 04 2011 09:14 kNightLite wrote: @NexaS: Clearly you didn't actually read Tyler's argument. To simplify it even more, sponsors only care how many people are watching. If 10,000 people are watching a 1v1 SC match, and 10,000 people are watching a 4v4 Halo match, there's no reason why Halo's total prize pool should be 4x larger than SC2. Instead, the total prize pools should be equal, irrelevant of how much it's split up. I think Tyler is saying that the reason why they aren't equal is because it's cheaper to lure pro SC2 players to MLG than it is to lure a 4-man halo squad. (please correct me if I'm wrong) Another way to look at is that if you are #8 in SC2 you make money equal to Halo player #32. Yeah, you're right, I didn't read it at all. I just wanted to complain on twitter. In fact, I stopped reading your post after the second sentence because I've decided that's how I roll. I don't see a problem with Halo players receiving the same pay as SC2 players. If anything, it's harder working as a team than it is to work by yourself, so maybe they should get paid even more. | ||
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
On February 04 2011 09:27 NexaS wrote: Uh no offense but we're your customers. If you want to disagree with us (or ignore us) that's fine, but if you're going to officially respond to customer feedback you should probably read it first.Yeah, you're right, I didn't read it at all. I just wanted to complain on twitter. In fact, I stopped reading your post after the second sentence because I've decided that's how I roll. MLG has done a phenomenal job supporting the SC2 community, but that doesn't mean it should be immune to criticism or change. | ||
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
On February 04 2011 09:43 kNightLite wrote: Uh no offense but we're your customers. If you want to disagree with us (or ignore us) that's fine, but if you're going to officially respond to customer feedback you should probably read it first. MLG has done a phenomenal job supporting the SC2 community, but that doesn't mean it should be immune to criticism or change. I was linking a reply from MLGLee to me on twitter. I do not work for MLG. You are not my customer. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 04 2011 09:24 Highways wrote: Anyone know how prize money compares to Halo? SC2 gets more | ||
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Australia115 Posts
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iSTime
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On February 04 2011 09:43 kNightLite wrote: Uh no offense but we're your customers. If you want to disagree with us (or ignore us) that's fine, but if you're going to officially respond to customer feedback you should probably read it first. MLG has done a phenomenal job supporting the SC2 community, but that doesn't mean it should be immune to criticism or change. All the MLG employees posting on these forums have MLG in their name. EDIT: Edit before someone says "Not all of them... XYZ is an MLG employee blah blah blah" The ones who are officially speaking as MLG employees. | ||
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Waphlez
United States12 Posts
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Canada28 Posts
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