Jeffrey "SjoW" Brusi, the Swedish Terran who recently won the IEM European Championships in Kiev, has written an application for the GSL foreigner house in Seoul, Korea.
Several hours ago on IRC, Sjow noted that he wrote the application. He later confirmed this privately. It is important to note that there is no guarantee that he will actually make the move to Korea because he wishes to play in IEM tournaments as well. It seems that his immediate StarCraft future may be determined by the scheduling of these two tournaments. Should they clash in a significant way, he will have to make a difficult choice.
The prospect of a Terran like SjoW in Korea must excite not just foreign fans but even the GSL itself. The league has seen increased exposure and a large viewership thanks to recent foreign success.
Hope he goes! I have no idea as to how well he'll do but with his current achievements I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to give it a serious shot in Korea.
so i wonder if it's worth it, with all the big tournaments outside of Korea, obviously you can travel to those, but not all of them, so that's a very tough decision. i'm sure sjow would benefit a LOT by playing in a practise house though since he wants to work on his mechanics and that's the best way to do that.
if they don't give him a spot in the house, i'll be quite shocked... he definitely deserves it and I'm sure he could put up a good fight in the korean scene.
On January 28 2011 06:52 FrankWalls wrote: i cant imagine him not being chosen really, good luck to him!
With the viewers he'd bring and the level of skill he is at. I doubt GOM will ignore him. Winning IEM Kiev is a good chance for him to get an auto invite for code A spot since after all major tournament = auto invite for code A.
On January 28 2011 07:03 kYem wrote: didn't Sjow had an interview recently were he said that he will not go to Korea unless he can get into code S straightaway?
Confusing.
Maybe he just testing if he could get a spot if needed ?
I'm not sure I can think of any Europeans (or indeed foreigners at all) who would be prioritized ahead of Sjow, or even at the same level. Maybe White-Ra and Naniwa lately, but Sjow has been consistently at the top.
This does come as a bit of a surprise to me, as I'm sure I saw an interview with him lately where he said he wasn't sure if he wanted to go to Korea, if it would be worth it (considering how much he wins in Europe). I'm glad he decided on giving it a go, though, big fan!
On January 28 2011 07:03 kYem wrote: didn't Sjow had an interview recently were he said that he will not go to Korea unless he can get into code S straightaway?
Confusing.
Maybe he just testing if he could get a spot if needed ?
He said something along the lines of it not being particularly feasible for the chance of getting into Code S when he'd have no team house, would have to sort everything out for himself, and there's not such a range of tournaments to participate in. Not sure if he was aware of the player house or not at the time, but Wheat/Slasher actually brought it up on Lo3 as something he could do since it was the same day that Artosis tour video came out, so perhaps he's thought on that since then?
I still think Sjow is one of the most deserving players for a direct invite to Code A (am guessing this means he hasn't got one), but a place in the player house would be a nice start.
I also kinda got the feeling from Lo3 that he isn't interested in GSL because it takes so long and that he can't get the best practice even if he is in korea and still will be forced to practice with other foreigners. Except ladder of course.
Oh well gl I guess. Always good to see foreigners in gsl ^^
To asha above me:
Yeah Djwheat and Slasher mentioned him about that but I doubt he knew about it himself. He didn't really comment on it after he found it. I just got the feeling how he was talking about that he can't really get the good practice in korea because even if there is a house it's still just foreigners and only practice you can get is ladder.
Definitely a worthy person to go to Korea, but as we don't know everyone who has applied hard to say who does and does not get in. I'd be happy to see him go though.
His no scouting technique against cheesey koreans will be interesting to watch in GSL code A. Nevertheless i hope he does well over there. It would be amazing to see someone without that much speed but just a good understanding of unit composition and strategy win big in korea where hand speed is emphasized so much.
On January 28 2011 07:03 kYem wrote: didn't Sjow had an interview recently were he said that he will not go to Korea unless he can get into code S straightaway?
Confusing.
Maybe he just testing if he could get a spot if needed ?
yeah he did give an interview saying just that!
Perhaps getting into the GOM house, and not having to worry about paying housing costs, changed the situation for him. if he gets into the house, he can work his way to code S without piling up huge bills doing so.
Sjow is arguably the most qualified foreigner in the entire world. I don't see any reason why his application wouldn't be accepted. I really hope he goes because the GSL needs more foreigners and I truly believe Sjow has what it takes to be one of the top players in the world.
On January 28 2011 07:33 insaneMicro wrote: So is this for season 6? I think applications for 5 closed on January the 22th.
doesn't really say when he sent in his application. so maybe he sent it in before the 22nd?
it's not terrible if he misses a season either. traveling will take a toll on you especially if you're moving for an extended period. he can rest up and practice on Korean ladders until then =]
He can only get better playing over there. Hopefully he takes the opportunity and heads over. He is one of a few foreigners not already in korea that I think have a legitimate shot at code S.
Always good to see all the old WC3 players I used to model my gameplay from do well in SC2 as well, wish him the best of luck.
I hope the foreigner influx to korea continues at the pace it's started at, the earlier it happens the bigger chance foreigners have a chance to be relevant because it isn't a huge wall of "korea vs the world" per say.
Sjow and Tarson are the two bosses I try and pattern my Terran play after. Sjow is a beast and I have a totally non-homosexual man crush on him. I hope he brings the pain to Korea. Sjow fighting!!!!
The more good foreigners, the better. I enjoy watching the foreigners play against the best Korea has to offer. Hopefully Sjow goes, he's a really good player and I'd love to see how he stacks up against the best Koreans.
I hope he did it before season 5 deadlines....if not, either way with the IEM win under his belt now, he'll be chosen for sure. I think he'd make it fairly deep in Code A (and if SansZenith is still in Code S, maybe he'll get a shot in as well lol).
After the interviews he gave, I would say that if he does go to Korea it'll be only for one GSL during this period of time, then he'll probably just stay in Europe where he feels he has more chances to compete for more money.
It would be awesome if he goes; he was super impressive against White Ra during the IEM European Masters.. Lots of controversy around his scouting style but at the end of the day; results speak louder than words!
I hope he goes and makes it huge to set the trend for other foreigners!
On January 28 2011 11:02 PartyBiscuit wrote: I hope he did it before season 5 deadlines....if not, either way with the IEM win under his belt now, he'll be chosen for sure. I think he'd make it fairly deep in Code A (and if SansZenith is still in Code S, maybe he'll get a shot in as well lol).
I thought a few top foreigners were gonna be given freepass to Code-A due to their performances outside of Korea? So that should make registering for Code-A qualifiers useless. I think I heard/saw that somewhere not sure though can someone confirm?
On January 28 2011 06:52 Scorch wrote: SjoW has great success in the foreigner scene, he should be able to do decently in the GSL.
Honestly if you look at almost all of the code A matches, and some of the lower code S, you see that the top 10 foreigner players (not counting those who already are in korea) would crush that, hands down. This "Koreans are always the best" sort of thing isn't really relevant anymore imho.
On January 28 2011 06:52 Scorch wrote: SjoW has great success in the foreigner scene, he should be able to do decently in the GSL.
Honestly if you look at almost all of the code A matches, and some of the lower code S, you see that the top 10 foreigner players (not counting those who already are in korea) would crush that, hands down. This "Koreans are always the best" sort of thing isn't really relevant anymore imho.
Lol yes it is... imagin adding all the european players and american players together we would have over 3x the amount of "selection" and possibly half the amount of talent... Just becuase you see a few of the Code a games not so great... doesn't mean shit really
We have only 2 of the Absolute best forigners in code S ... thats still only 1/16th .. thats like what ? 6/7% and thats not including the sc1 pro gamers that "haven't switched over" i think flash and the dong would still completly hurpdurp this game to new levels
I don't mean to talk theoretically but don't just forget about sc1 players Remember how fast MVP dominated and how long MC has been the best protoss .. practicaly from the moment he played the game..
I don't doubt the forigner scene is so much more powerful but realistically we haven't even seen the cream of the crop in sc2 yet.
On January 28 2011 06:52 Scorch wrote: SjoW has great success in the foreigner scene, he should be able to do decently in the GSL.
Honestly if you look at almost all of the code A matches, and some of the lower code S, you see that the top 10 foreigner players (not counting those who already are in korea) would crush that, hands down. This "Koreans are always the best" sort of thing isn't really relevant anymore imho.
This. I really hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but Jinro had never done "too" extraordinary in tournaments before his MLG breakthrough - and now he is crushing souls in code S. Being in Korea and practicing his heart out, I can definitely see Sjow achieving something similar. After the bad code S players and unlucky code A players "switched places", I 100% agree that the top 10 foreigners are easily capable of competing in code A.
strange i recently watched SjoW's interview on the youtube channel of mYm which was held at the IEM in Kiev where he confidently said that he wont try to make it to Code A because it would be to time consuming and there is lots of stuffs going on in Europe !! o.O
Hm I would not really like this. Its quite unlikely that he would earn there more than in europe, given that GSL prize distribution is so incredibly top heavy. And it would mean that we would see much less games from him than before, like it was with TLO when he was in Korea and like it is with Huk now.
Reguarding his comments in interviews about korea, I think the IEM win and the emergance of the foreigner house is what changed his decision, id say quite a few of the dignitas players applied for the gaming house tbh
I didn't read the thread so sorry if anyone already said this but he said on his stream last night that he had applied for the spot, but if it is at the same time as some IEM tournament he won't go. And he thought it was but was unsure.
Sjow fixed my TvZ in every way.... he is the man! He improved his apm recently and he started to scout a little with SCVs..... he is on the right track!
It might not be worth it for SjoW to stay in Korea for good, but just think about the prestige involved. Going to Korea, owning up the GSL (which still has the single biggest winner's and second place payout in Starcraft II by far) over two or three seasons and then going back to Europe again.
Most players would jump at the chance, I'd say.
And to be honest, the only European tournaments big enough to create scheduling conflicts for fucking G S L would be Dreamhack Summer and the IEM Global Challenge Finals.
Considering you get money even in like round of 64 in GSL, I'd get over there in a heartbeat. Also they pay your rent in the practise house, so basically you just need to get money for food and he has sponsors after all. If I were Sjow, I'd forget about IEM and Dreamhack, and own up some koreans. Would be even cooler if he joined Team Liquid.
On January 28 2011 21:25 twiitar wrote: As much as I like SjoW, I fear he'd ragequit the korean scene after finding out the hard way that you should scout.
I agree, scouting in Korea is a good skill toi have!
I watched his stream yesterday and he said to someone in IRC,that he applied because he sees it as a good training opportunity,because almost all expenses are covered,however he wont go if it collides with IEM, with he think it does.
On January 28 2011 22:37 Apoo wrote: Sry, but i dont think hes good enough to achieve something in Korea... sorry
hes most acomplished outside korea. when ret went to korea he wasnt the best too but with practice he became very good to compete in gsl
im sure sjow knows what hes doing and he wouldnt go to korea if he didnt think he wasnt cut for the job. wish him best of luck im sure he will do alot better than majority of the foreigners so far attempted
On January 28 2011 06:52 Scorch wrote: SjoW has great success in the foreigner scene, he should be able to do decently in the GSL.
Honestly if you look at almost all of the code A matches, and some of the lower code S, you see that the top 10 foreigner players (not counting those who already are in korea) would crush that, hands down. This "Koreans are always the best" sort of thing isn't really relevant anymore imho.
Lol yes it is... imagin adding all the european players and american players together we would have over 3x the amount of "selection" and possibly half the amount of talent... Just becuase you see a few of the Code a games not so great... doesn't mean shit really
We have only 2 of the Absolute best forigners in code S ... thats still only 1/16th .. thats like what ? 6/7% and thats not including the sc1 pro gamers that "haven't switched over" i think flash and the dong would still completly hurpdurp this game to new levels
I don't mean to talk theoretically but don't just forget about sc1 players Remember how fast MVP dominated and how long MC has been the best protoss .. practicaly from the moment he played the game..
I don't doubt the forigner scene is so much more powerful but realistically we haven't even seen the cream of the crop in sc2 yet.
SC1 and SC2 are different games and SC2 has had even mroe exposure. There are more people praccing harder in europe and america now than in SC1 days.
Cant wait for Jeadong and FlasH to come over, id be pleasently surprised if they reached the top within a year of playing it.
It is in the GSL's best interests to get more top level foreigners in there. It is certainly in our best interests to get more top level foreigners out there. I like where this is going.
On January 28 2011 06:52 Scorch wrote: SjoW has great success in the foreigner scene, he should be able to do decently in the GSL.
Honestly if you look at almost all of the code A matches, and some of the lower code S, you see that the top 10 foreigner players (not counting those who already are in korea) would crush that, hands down. This "Koreans are always the best" sort of thing isn't really relevant anymore imho.
Lol yes it is... imagin adding all the european players and american players together we would have over 3x the amount of "selection" and possibly half the amount of talent... Just becuase you see a few of the Code a games not so great... doesn't mean shit really
We have only 2 of the Absolute best forigners in code S ... thats still only 1/16th .. thats like what ? 6/7% and thats not including the sc1 pro gamers that "haven't switched over" i think flash and the dong would still completly hurpdurp this game to new levels
I don't mean to talk theoretically but don't just forget about sc1 players Remember how fast MVP dominated and how long MC has been the best protoss .. practicaly from the moment he played the game..
I don't doubt the forigner scene is so much more powerful but realistically we haven't even seen the cream of the crop in sc2 yet.
SC1 and SC2 are different games and SC2 has had even mroe exposure. There are more people praccing harder in europe and america now than in SC1 days.
Cant wait for Jeadong and FlasH to come over, id be pleasently surprised if they reached the top within a year of playing it.
LoL are u serious ? i would be pleasently surprised if Jaedong and Flash would reach the top within a WEEKEND ! ;D
On January 28 2011 06:52 Scorch wrote: SjoW has great success in the foreigner scene, he should be able to do decently in the GSL.
Honestly if you look at almost all of the code A matches, and some of the lower code S, you see that the top 10 foreigner players (not counting those who already are in korea) would crush that, hands down. This "Koreans are always the best" sort of thing isn't really relevant anymore imho.
Lol yes it is... imagin adding all the european players and american players together we would have over 3x the amount of "selection" and possibly half the amount of talent... Just becuase you see a few of the Code a games not so great... doesn't mean shit really
We have only 2 of the Absolute best forigners in code S ... thats still only 1/16th .. thats like what ? 6/7% and thats not including the sc1 pro gamers that "haven't switched over" i think flash and the dong would still completly hurpdurp this game to new levels
I don't mean to talk theoretically but don't just forget about sc1 players Remember how fast MVP dominated and how long MC has been the best protoss .. practicaly from the moment he played the game..
I don't doubt the forigner scene is so much more powerful but realistically we haven't even seen the cream of the crop in sc2 yet.
SC1 and SC2 are different games and SC2 has had even mroe exposure. There are more people praccing harder in europe and america now than in SC1 days.
Cant wait for Jeadong and FlasH to come over, id be pleasently surprised if they reached the top within a year of playing it.
LoL are u serious ? i would be pleasently surprised if Jaedong and Flash would reach the top within a WEEKEND ! ;D
Different game. Larger player pool.
SC1 was set in its way, execution and speed were pretty much 'the' key. SC2 requires different things currently.
SjoW is bound to do well in korea, his TvT is extremely solid and his other matchups are starting to catch up. Despite his 'lack of scouting' (note that he scv scouts on certain maps in certain matchups, and always hellion/rine scouts at specific timings) I have never seen him lose to an unproportional amount of cheese, he tends to have very good simcity and timings to deal with cheese.
On January 28 2011 22:57 DongWang wrote: Go go go 20 apm!
20 apm owned best eu protoss :D
GL HF SjoW, i hope you'll make it
Although I do understand it is a joke, SjoW actually managed to get over 160 APM in the finals vs White-ra, a quite good and more than enough value seeing as he does not spam.
On January 28 2011 22:57 DongWang wrote: Go go go 20 apm!
20 apm owned best eu protoss :D
GL HF SjoW, i hope you'll make it
Although I do understand it is a joke, SjoW actually managed to get over 160 APM in the finals vs White-ra, a quite good and more than enough value seeing as he does not spam.
Well apm comes naturally, if he gets better his apm will increase.
I do think he probably need to fine tune his mechanics. And to everyone who says he can't make because of the scouting thing, well he stated in interviews that he seriously is considering implementing it.
If he gets good practice partners over there I think he can provide some good results for sure.
sjow's awesome and very consistent lately, if he would go there I see him do quite well, hard to say how well exactly but the last few times I watched gsl... I think sjow will be just fine :D
On January 28 2011 07:00 thedirtyleg wrote: Sjow. is. awesome. Love watching this guy play, and I hope his schedule allows him to increase the competitive foreigner presence in Korea!
His low-apm (relative to pros), no-scouting, consistent 1-1-1 focused playstyle is distinctive and really fun to see.
this is totally not how he plays atm. he really differs his build althoigh it used to be quite amusing seeing him win with that same build all the time
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
After seeing the house via Artosis's youtube post I hope to see some great gamers getting a shot over in korea with SC2. So good luck to SJow at getting one of those spots.
On January 28 2011 07:00 thedirtyleg wrote: Sjow. is. awesome. Love watching this guy play, and I hope his schedule allows him to increase the competitive foreigner presence in Korea!
His low-apm (relative to pros), no-scouting, consistent 1-1-1 focused playstyle is distinctive and really fun to see.
None of the things you mentioned at the end are indicative of a top tier GSL player. I hope he's better than that. lol
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
It would be so helpful if you would just share your expertise and inform us poor swedish fanboys of who actually is the best, most deserving european to go. For as far as I know sjow has more tournament victories than anyone else, has been consistently good for many months and just finished first in the IEM.
Best of luck to Sjow, he is a great player even though he has behaved in rather childish ways in the past. Going to Korea would be good for him as a person I think
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
It would be so helpful if you would just share your expertise and inform us poor swedish fanboys of who actually is the best, most deserving european to go. For as far as I know sjow has more tournament victories than anyone else, has been consistently good for many months and just finished first in the IEM.
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
That's very ignorant of you. I don't care whether someone is Swedish or not. I don't understand why you're so butt hurt about good players applying to the gom house. And what's the deal with saying that all Swedish "fanboys" are annoying. Just saying Sjow is a good player, and I'm happy he'll enter the Korean scene. It's up to GOM whether he may stay or not anyway.
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
What issue do you have against Sjow? It doesn't matter if he's the best Euro player or not. He's willing to go compete in Korea and his sponsors are willing to finance. It's not like him going to Korea is preventing someone more 'deserving' from going. No money coming out of your pockets so I don't know why you'd even care.
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
It would be so helpful if you would just share your expertise and inform us poor swedish fanboys of who actually is the best, most deserving european to go. For as far as I know sjow has more tournament victories than anyone else, has been consistently good for many months and just finished first in the IEM.
White-Ra cheers
DuckloadRa has already said he might go to Korea.. what's your problem?
excuse me but Sjow has won as many tourneys as whitera has. Sjow just beat whitera in a bo7 in the finals of Kiev. (or bo5, idk) That does not "instantly" make him better but with constantly high results he is definitely on whitera's level ATM i would say Sjow and Whitera are the 2 best erupeans (other than Jinro and Ret who are already at GSL) I don't think this has anything to do with nationalities.
Waching drewbie's stream and sitting in the chat (no idea how we got unto the subject of Sjow), I had a bit of an argument with a fellow who insisted that Sjow was more of a ladder player. I genuinely couldn't believe what I heard.
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
Choya isn't disqualified, it was only from the team league he was disqualified from.
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
You're probably one of the guys who said the same thing about Jinro when he joined, am I right? :p
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
On January 29 2011 06:14 Reptilia wrote: excuse me but Sjow has won as many tourneys as whitera has. Sjow just beat whitera in a bo7 in the finals of Kiev. (or bo5, idk) That does not "instantly" make him better but with constantly high results he is definitely on whitera's level ATM i would say Sjow and Whitera are the 2 best erupeans (other than Jinro and Ret who are already at GSL) I don't think this has anything to do with nationalities.
I think both Sjow and Whitera are better than Ret, and Sjow didn't really become arguably the best Euro Terran (until Jinro showed everyone who's boss) until Morrow switched, so I think Morrow's up there too. All of them deserve to compete though, because they're all fantastic players. I don't know why everyone's making a big deal. I'm happy he's going and I hope he crushes face in Code A. If he competed I think he'd have no problem making top eight for a chance to make Code S.
Oh I guess I heard wrong. I thought that choyaFou had been disqualified from GSL5 for his ladder cheat. (which I guess is untrue-he only got disqualified from team league) Since I believed choyaFou would not play in the next season and because Sjow said he would only go to Korea if he got into code S instantly; I came up with a fantasy. That Sjow was possibly given instant code S acess in season 5 in place of choya. (thats all I was trying to say) I can dream right?
I am not saying Sjow would dominate or fail; just seeing more foreigners would be awesome.
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
Dominate? You're a joke too. Same goes for the guy asking if i was one of thoose saying this and that about Jinro.
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
Dominate? You're a joke too. Same goes for the guy asking if i was one of thoose saying this and that about Jinro.
I'd give you a proper response but I can already tell you won't be staying for very long.
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
Dominate? You're a joke too. Same goes for the guy asking if i was one of thoose saying this and that about Jinro.
I'd give you a proper reply but I can already tell you won't be staying for very long.
What they gonna do? Ban me for my own thoughts about some peoples statements?
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
Dominate? You're a joke too. Same goes for the guy asking if i was one of thoose saying this and that about Jinro.
I'd give you a proper reply but I can already tell you won't be staying for very long.
What they gonna do? Ban me for my own thoughts about some peoples statements?
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
Dominate? You're a joke too. Same goes for the guy asking if i was one of thoose saying this and that about Jinro.
I'd give you a proper reply but I can already tell you won't be staying for very long.
What they gonna do? Ban me for my own thoughts about some peoples statements?
On January 29 2011 07:13 N4duh wrote: Mebe Sjow actually got a spot in code S since choya is disqualified for next season and he can fill that void! doubtful but thatd be awesome. hehe
That has to be a joke, if you are serious i might suggest you to do something but the equal might be a ban on my ass. But I'm gonna tell you this, SjoW will never compete in the Code S, even LiveForever would take a crap on that dude game wise.
I have no idea what exactly n4duh is trying to say, but if a player can dominate the foreigner scene like sjow has, that player is most definitely a potential contender in code S.
Dominate? You're a joke too. Same goes for the guy asking if i was one of thoose saying this and that about Jinro.
I'd give you a proper reply but I can already tell you won't be staying for very long.
What they gonna do? Ban me for my own thoughts about some peoples statements?
^^^^ yes, thankfully
Also were you one of the guys that said Jinro didn't belong in Team Liquid? I remember people saying that a few months ago.
What I'm about to say is not to imply that Sjow doesn't deserve it, because he does, but...
Anyone else think that, by his team publicly announcing that he's applied and getting the foreigner scene rallied up for him, they're almost forcing GSL to pick him?
edit: derp nevermind. Someone corrected me by saying it wasnt his team who announced it. Still, I think any announcement, publicity and anticipation of a well-known player applying almost forces GSL to pick them, whether it was his own team or not.
On January 29 2011 08:38 Nokarot wrote: What I'm about to say is not to imply that Sjow doesn't deserve it, because he does, but...
Anyone else think that, by his team publicly announcing that he's applied and getting the foreigner scene rallied up for him, they're almost forcing GSL to pick him?
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
It would be so helpful if you would just share your expertise and inform us poor swedish fanboys of who actually is the best, most deserving european to go. For as far as I know sjow has more tournament victories than anyone else, has been consistently good for many months and just finished first in the IEM.
White-Ra cheers
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186819 Now that you are married, how does your wife deal with this situation? Does she support you a lot, or is it difficult when you have to train for an an event or something and don't have enough time to be with your wife?
White-Ra: Sure, she supports me very well. Sometimes we go together to a tournament like DreamHack. She came with me and she liked Sweden and my friends there very much. So I might go to Korea for the next GSL, which I don't know yet, it's like 50/50, but if I go to Korea, we will go together, me and my wife.
Talking about Korea. Is moving to Korea to play in the GSL an option for you?
White-Ra: Yeah, but it's only one tournament, the GSL, and if I go to Korea I cant play European tournaments. So it's like you have to make a choice.
There is more than 1 spot in the foreigner house, and I don't think it would jive too well with the rest of the players there for White-Ra to have his wife with him in the player bunks...
On January 29 2011 04:09 kyla wrote: just because the swedes wanna go to korea faster shouldnt mean other euros dont deserve it more. There are a bunch of better euros
Bitter much? What's your problem, he just won the European championship. If there are better euroes, then they have to prove it. That's how they draft. Atm he obviously has to be considered the best European (who's not already in GSL ofcourse). Also I wouldn't worry too much about the APM thing. You often see players have 300 apm, but absolutely nothing going on. 160 useful APM is probably the average in pro gamer standards. Most people just like to spam, me included. Makes you focus a little more.
Dont mess with proud swedish fanboys ( u are sometimes that annoying XD) Winning a tournament does never make you the best automatically and im watching every single cup Sjow is never the best TLO isnt the best as well just because he won against sjow in 2 Bo3s recently right? I guess it was pokeridol
It would be so helpful if you would just share your expertise and inform us poor swedish fanboys of who actually is the best, most deserving european to go. For as far as I know sjow has more tournament victories than anyone else, has been consistently good for many months and just finished first in the IEM.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186819 Now that you are married, how does your wife deal with this situation? Does she support you a lot, or is it difficult when you have to train for an an event or something and don't have enough time to be with your wife?
White-Ra: Sure, she supports me very well. Sometimes we go together to a tournament like DreamHack. She came with me and she liked Sweden and my friends there very much. So I might go to Korea for the next GSL, which I don't know yet, it's like 50/50, but if I go to Korea, we will go together, me and my wife.
Talking about Korea. Is moving to Korea to play in the GSL an option for you?
White-Ra: Yeah, but it's only one tournament, the GSL, and if I go to Korea I cant play European tournaments. So it's like you have to make a choice.
There is more than 1 spot in the foreigner house, and I don't think it would jive too well with the rest of the players there for White-Ra to have his wife with him in the player bunks...
he can get an appartement of its own. he just needs a spot on code A or even S (he deserves). where does IdrA live?
On January 29 2011 12:47 Nimic wrote: If Sjow doesn't manage to qualify for Code A I'll be shocked.
Its actually pretty fucking hard now, you only need to get unlucky and get someone like ST_Bomber in your group and you have a HUGE chance of not making it, regardless of who you are - even MVP.
Theres too many sickos outside Code A, that just havent had a chance to make it in there yet.
Looking forward to see if Sjow can compete in GSL. I've been watching his channel a little bit and from what I've seen he has a pretty one sided tactic. I don't know how well that will fit with some of the crazy agressive Korean openings.
If he's smart and gets accepted he should not pass up the oppertunity to play in the biggest sc2 tournament the world has ever seen. He should at least give it a month and try to qualify or stay over there fora couple months, look at jinro.
On January 29 2011 12:47 Nimic wrote: If Sjow doesn't manage to qualify for Code A I'll be shocked.
Its actually pretty fucking hard now, you only need to get unlucky and get someone like ST_Bomber in your group and you have a HUGE chance of not making it, regardless of who you are - even MVP.
Theres too many sickos outside Code A, that just havent had a chance to make it in there yet.
But he d most likely make it still!
"Hello,
In GSL Feb, which will take in February, we plan to invite 4 notable foreign players who will be given seeds to be invited to play in Code A. Which players do you feel deserve such chance? Discuss and name the players who will be worthy of receiving such seeds. Your discussion will provide valuable feedback for us and help to make more interesting GSL.
Also, for information concerning Code A preliminary and our team house, it is updated at www.gomtv.net
Thank You.
- John the Translator."
So isn't SjoW someone who deserve one of these seeds so he doesn't have to qualify for Code A? I asked this before in this thread but noone responds =P
There are a lot of beasts not in GSL so far though judging from the Zotac invitational. Well known players like MVP or MKP or MC are killed by unknowns like NEX Puzzle and many other players.
Good luck to those foreigners not getting seeded. It's always exciting to see you guys try to qualify by waiting for Artosis' tweets. The GSL 3 qualifier thread was in fact the most awesome gsl experience for me.
If GOM is smart, they will base the 4 foreigner slots based on who can actually be in Korea rather than on who is technically top ranked at the time. It's pointless to invite 4 players who won't be willing to attend. 4 is not a high number considering how much international interest GOM is getting from fans outside of Korea.
I definitely hope he makes the move as I think he has some real potential to make code S, Sjow looked simply perfect in his games at IEM reminding me of someone like Mvp with his flawless style of play that leave no openings. IEM EU was a really good tournament with the some really high level players and the fact that Sjow dropped 2 maps in all his games says a lot.
However it would be a shame if he was unable to go to IEM world championships as he is the EU champion.
On January 29 2011 08:38 Nokarot wrote: What I'm about to say is not to imply that Sjow doesn't deserve it, because he does, but...
Anyone else think that, by his team publicly announcing that he's applied and getting the foreigner scene rallied up for him, they're almost forcing GSL to pick him?
edit: derp nevermind. Someone corrected me by saying it wasnt his team who announced it. Still, I think any announcement, publicity and anticipation of a well-known player applying almost forces GSL to pick them, whether it was his own team or not.
What are you even talking about? Any player who applies for the GOM house is ofcourse going to announce it. It's standard. Why do you want him in particular to be all quiet about it? That's a little creepy..
On January 29 2011 18:44 SwiftSpear wrote: If GOM is smart, they will base the 4 foreigner slots based on who can actually be in Korea rather than on who is technically top ranked at the time. It's pointless to invite 4 players who won't be willing to attend. 4 is not a high number considering how much international interest GOM is getting from fans outside of Korea.
You have to apply first anyway, so I doubt it goes to someone who doesn't want the slot.
On January 29 2011 14:59 GreEny K wrote: He will need to learn how to scout though... Those Koreans would tear him apart if they realized he never scouts.
But he does scout, just with his first Helion. Unless they proxy it doesn't make a difference for him, it's only lost mining time for him.
On January 29 2011 19:38 torkel wrote: 60 APM hero, go sjow!
lol, I hope you're not implying that as an insult, his apm peaks at over 200 when he needs it to, apm spamming =/= skill.
By all means if he keeps on playing good but srsly, dunno why he'd openly say in a interview that he "doesnt know" how to scout zerg? Also his apm is discussable even though he wanted to go higher which obviously is something good, but I have to admit that it looks funny with 60 apm ^^
What im basically trying to say is that the apm issue aint that big of a deal if he plays as good as he did in IEM (didnt spectate all matches sadly), but the not scouting a zerg is for me beyond weird on a pro lvl dont you agree?
On January 29 2011 20:34 Jikz wrote: By all means if he keeps on playing good but srsly, dunno why he'd openly say in a interview that he "doesnt know" how to scout zerg? Also his apm is discussable even though he wanted to go higher which obviously is something good, but I have to admit that it looks funny with 60 apm ^^
What im basically trying to say is that the apm issue aint that big of a deal if he plays as good as he did in IEM (didnt spectate all matches sadly), but the not scouting a zerg is for me beyond weird on a pro lvl dont you agree?
He doesn't have 60 that's a complete exaggeration, he averages about a hundred usually, which is still low compared to most high level players. That's not a big deal when you conside Sjow doesn't spam apm for the first couple of minutes which has a big effect on his overall average. It's not that much lower either, I've seen TLO average 120-140 in some reps, is that really that much greater than 100? I'm sure if he mindlessly spammed apm for the first two minutes to warm up his hands like everyone else he would average 140 or 150. What matters is the effective apm, which isn't a problem because when he's using his actions and not spamming they spike up to 200 at times.
I'll admit that I've been watching the Korean GSL only so far, and haven't been following the European SC2 scene almost at all.
But if Sjow, white-ra, or other players from EU/NA/China/Taiwan feel confident enough to actually travel all the way to Korea to compete and show their skills, then I'm 100% behind them. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Even though Koreans progamers truly are the best at the game at this very moment, things can and will definitely change in the future. (I'm assuming most of you watch the GSL. MVP vs MarineKing was epic, WATCH IT)
In the longterm, however, I think the best outcome would be one in which SC2 and esports develops to the point where we can have true international competition and where the best non-Korean players aren't all forced to travel to Korea. It will be a huge sacrifice for Sjow or other European players to have to leave their friends and family behind and move to a strange and foreign land that is Korea (for them of course, I'm actually Korean-American so it's not so strange and foreign to me.)
Do you guys think there is any possibility we will see GSL-like prize pools in European or American SC2 competitions in the coming years?
On January 29 2011 20:34 Jikz wrote: By all means if he keeps on playing good but srsly, dunno why he'd openly say in a interview that he "doesnt know" how to scout zerg? Also his apm is discussable even though he wanted to go higher which obviously is something good, but I have to admit that it looks funny with 60 apm ^^
What im basically trying to say is that the apm issue aint that big of a deal if he plays as good as he did in IEM (didnt spectate all matches sadly), but the not scouting a zerg is for me beyond weird on a pro lvl dont you agree?
He doesn't have 60 that's a complete exaggeration, he averages about a hundred usually, which is still low compared to most high level players. That's not a big deal when you conside Sjow doesn't spam apm for the first couple of minutes which has a big effect on his overall average. It's not that much lower either, I've seen TLO average 120-140 in some reps, is that really that much greater than 100? I'm sure if he mindlessly spammed apm for the first two minutes to warm up his hands like everyone else he would average 140 or 150. What matters is the effective apm, which isn't a problem because when he's using his actions and not spamming they spike up to 200 at times.
APM spam isnt just in the start. Personally I continue to for instance click several move command with groups of units, spam buildings that you can almost afford, etc. I think most people could slim down their APM quite a bit if they really wanted to. About the scouting part I can agree to a sertain extent. I mean usually with your first scouting worker you just check whether there's a 6 pool incoming, and how many gases are taken. Basically information that won't change your build the first couple of minutes as terran much anyway. Day9 usually says to newer players "dont scout unless you know what you're looking for, don't do it just to get a safe feeling", and that probably applies to Sjow's play as well I guess.
I was wondering about this foreigner house. All the foreigners were talking about how much better they got in Korea. I would assume that is because of playing with the Koreans. How are the players going to get (I guess) "better" if they are in a house with the same people they always play (in random tournaments and stuff)?
On January 30 2011 02:51 ImHuko wrote: I was wondering about this foreigner house. All the foreigners were talking about how much better they got in Korea. I would assume that is because of playing with the Koreans. How are the players going to get (I guess) "better" if they are in a house with the same people they always play (in random tournaments and stuff)?
They will no doubt be laddering against the koreans more than playing with each other. Being a few feet away from other high level players can be extremely beneficial for your own game as you can discuss the finer parts of strategy with them whenever, it's also much easier to concentrate on mass gaming when you have multiple people doing the same thing just beside you.
On January 30 2011 02:51 ImHuko wrote: I was wondering about this foreigner house. All the foreigners were talking about how much better they got in Korea. I would assume that is because of playing with the Koreans. How are the players going to get (I guess) "better" if they are in a house with the same people they always play (in random tournaments and stuff)?
Didn't Idra say he practise mostly with foreigners?
Korean @sses gonna read this news and I'm 90% sure that they will say 'good stuff, but hes gonna defeated by Koreans easily cuz hes not Korean naynaynay"
On January 29 2011 14:59 GreEny K wrote: He will need to learn how to scout though... Those Koreans would tear him apart if they realized he never scouts.
But he does scout, just with his first Helion. Unless they proxy it doesn't make a difference for him, it's only lost mining time for him.
On January 29 2011 19:38 torkel wrote: 60 APM hero, go sjow!
lol, I hope you're not implying that as an insult, his apm peaks at over 200 when he needs it to, apm spamming =/= skill.
When does the first hellion come out? Exactly, if he tries that type of scouting while in Korea he will get torn apart. Any little thing that Koreans can capitalize on they will.
@gayftw I think he will do very well in A class if not qualify for S class. But I think Sjow's way of playing may be his undoing. As others have stated, Sjow seems to refuse to scout in almost every game until he gets his first helion or something. And Sjow was quoted as saying that he doesn't know how or finds it very hard to scout zerg?!
Qualifications for A class will most surely be filled with other players who will cheese or hide nasty all in builds that usually are executed at around 3-5mins into the game; when Sjow has his first helion maybe?
Also watching Sjow during his matches against White-Ra at the Intel Extreme Masters, Sjow is so focused with microing that he is extremely late with his expansions compared to korean pros for this seasons GSL. for Koreans during most matches; natural is built by 2-4mins in game regardless of race, 3 base around 10-12mns, 4th before 18mins. Where Sjow had his natural around 8-9mins, while one match was a fast expand. I feel Korean players would have enough economy to turtle and defend SJow's aggressive play.
But Sjow is a smart guy and could easily do well, just think his style is filled with so many risks that it will become self-defeating, especially in a long GSL season (1-month long) where your opponents have time to review your past matches and know how to counter it, which is unfortunate because Sjow has what it takes to do well even in S-class, no doubt about that.
Didn't realise that SjoW had applied without the full intention to try for code S through code A. I seriously hope he realises that his presence will further his play leaps and bounds in the right environment as well as E-sports on the whole, Please SjoW, go for it!
On January 29 2011 14:59 GreEny K wrote: He will need to learn how to scout though... Those Koreans would tear him apart if they realized he never scouts.
But he does scout, just with his first Helion. Unless they proxy it doesn't make a difference for him, it's only lost mining time for him.
On January 29 2011 19:38 torkel wrote: 60 APM hero, go sjow!
lol, I hope you're not implying that as an insult, his apm peaks at over 200 when he needs it to, apm spamming =/= skill.
When does the first hellion come out? Exactly, if he tries that type of scouting while in Korea he will get torn apart. Any little thing that Koreans can capitalize on they will.
It comes out really early especially in that he does 1-1-1. The scouting scv is so you can feel safe.If it made much of a difference he would have been torn up by European pros who would have surely exploited it.
SjoW has arguably been the most consistent top ranked foreigner post-beta. Remember, SjoWs reign along with MorroW began shortly after the SC2 release (even before Cologne). When MorroW switched to Z, SjoW remained alone on the Terran throne until November-December of last year. Around this time his signature build was gradually figured out and he also participated in fewer tournaments than before. He seems to have recovered recently, adapting into a more diversified playstyle and not using the same build order every single game.
(As a side note, I wouldn't take his play in Karspersky Cup as an indicative performance for GSL. He attended a LAN during the christmas break. Tournaments were held every night (18 total), which fucked up his body clock and subsequently lowered his skill level.)
My only strong argument against inviting Sjow is that he, along with many others, is an obvious beneficiary of race/map imbalances. Although not so much GomTVs own fault, there are now 46% Terrans in the GSL. There should be in GomTVs best interest to give viewers a more varied experience by prioritizing players of other races. On the contrary, giving players favorable treatment for achievements made party because of imbalances reaffirms the bias and is not a good thing.+ Show Spoiler +
The next season of GSL currently consists of P 25%, T 46% and Z 29% (code S+A). Compared this to the Korean SC2 population which is R 7%, P 36%, T 38% and Z 19%.
Here's an in depth interview with SjoW: (Unfortunately its in Swedish, someone should really translate this)
Edit: Also, I hope Gom will be more considerate of other player commitments in the future. They not giving Idra the chance to play Dreamhack greatly undermines their "wanting to grow E-sports as a whole" claim. Especially as rescheduling Idra's match wouldn't have impacted the GSL schedule whatsoever.
On January 30 2011 13:11 arterian wrote: I can't wait to see him get cheesed when he refuses to scout
He doesnt refuse to scout, he scv scouts v zerg, is starting to scv scout v protoss depending on map and hellion scouts v terran because he wouldnt see anything of interest bar no gas before the marine pops out and he wouldnt change his BO reguardless and he believes his build can hold off any terran cheese and so far hes been pretty succesful, blanket statements are stupid, but i guess thats what years of Aj trolling does to you
Lol I am sorry but those European finals games were laughable in comparison to the standard of play we have seen in the GSL, even from the garbage code A games that caused Tastosis to audibly cringe.
I would say that Idra and Jinro have gone through remarkable transformations since they arrived in Korea (Jinro's 0-4 against oGsMC in Season 3 > Season 4 performance being an obvious example of this trend), which suggests that improvement and success are entirely possible for other foreigners, given enough practice in the houses. But as it stands today, Sjow really cannot be considered GSL quality. Korean play is nearly as head and shoulders ahead of the foreigner scene as it was in BW - especially considering the startling rate of evolution the game is seeing over there.
On January 30 2011 23:20 mullinmm wrote: Lol I am sorry but those European finals games were laughable in comparison to the standard of play we have seen in the GSL, even from the garbage code A games that caused Tastosis to audibly cringe.
I would say that Idra and Jinro have gone through remarkable transformations since they arrived in Korea (Jinro's 0-4 against oGsMC in Season 3 > Season 4 performance being an obvious example of this trend), which suggests that improvement and success are entirely possible for other foreigners, given enough practice in the houses. But as it stands today, Sjow really cannot be considered GSL quality. Korean play is nearly as head and shoulders ahead of the foreigner scene as it was in BW - especially considering the startling rate of evolution the game is seeing over there.
I couldn't agree more. You start out saying that Jinro 2:0d the player who was considered the best player in the world, just a couple of weeks ago, and then comfortably states that Korean play is almost ahead as it was in bw.. Think before you post. I think Sjow has a good shot to get into code A atleast. There's alot of luck involved though, as the qualifiers are best of one right?
I couldn't agree more. You start out saying that Jinro 2:0d the player who was considered the best player in the world, just a couple of weeks ago, and then comfortably states that Korean play is almost ahead as it was in bw.. Think before you post. I think Sjow has a good shot to get into code A atleast. There's alot of luck involved though, as the qualifiers are best of one right?
How long have Jinro and Idra been practicing in Korea, within the Korean community, with Koreans? I am afraid you looked right past the logic of my post - the play in the European finals was, as stated, miserable compared to what we have seen in the GSL. Idra and Jinro are no longer a part of the foreigner scene, meaning they they are no longer a part of the tournament circuit featuring primarily foreign players and not korean ones. I would say that their play, and the improvement in their play, reflects this fact. Moreover, I am confident that either Idra or Jinro could've won this European championship with ease.
On January 31 2011 04:33 Kazzabiss wrote: "Sjow is sooooo good" against inferior opponents
he might be able to compete in Code A, but people are just fantasizing if they think he will ever do something like win in Code S
Yep, getting a little tired of these threads. Congrats on being the 38th foreigner who has claimed they intend to go to Korea. Truth is, only Idra and Jinro can claim to have had any success. The list of foreigners who have said they've going to come and/or have come and failed is getting quite long now. Call it "foreigner fatigue".
Those two (Idra and Jinro) deserve tons of admiration and respect for what they've accomplished, as does anybody else who actually accomplishes something over there.
Will Sjow attempt to qualify for a future GSL Code A tournament? He hasn't shown up to the qualifiers yesterday, so I assume that he will be there for a future season if he qualifies for the foreigner house.
Perhaps the foreigner house isn't quite ready to take in too many players yet. Hopefully, everything will be up and running in a few weeks or months.
I couldn't agree more. You start out saying that Jinro 2:0d the player who was considered the best player in the world, just a couple of weeks ago, and then comfortably states that Korean play is almost ahead as it was in bw.. Think before you post. I think Sjow has a good shot to get into code A atleast. There's alot of luck involved though, as the qualifiers are best of one right?
How long have Jinro and Idra been practicing in Korea, within the Korean community, with Koreans? I am afraid you looked right past the logic of my post - the play in the European finals was, as stated, miserable compared to what we have seen in the GSL. Idra and Jinro are no longer a part of the foreigner scene, meaning they they are no longer a part of the tournament circuit featuring primarily foreign players and not korean ones. I would say that their play, and the improvement in their play, reflects this fact. Moreover, I am confident that either Idra or Jinro could've won this European championship with ease.
Personally I'd say the finals were alot better than probably most of the code A games. To say it was miserable is just not true. Day9 even made a daily on the first game "How to TvP" basically. I dunno if you're just trolling though, in that case I apologise to everyone for latching on. I think Sjow is on par with the top code Aers right now, and with some practise time in Korea he could get into code S.
I guess your point is that it's impossible to get ahead with the Korean players, and that Sjow's play is horrible.. we'll just have to see I guess, but I don't know why you're being so pesimistic, especially as we've seen good foreigners compete in the GSL.
I've no real idea whether SjoW would be able to hold his own in/advance from Code A but there are a couple of things:
If I remember rightly SC2gears showed his APM from the IEM Kiev finals averaging 140 to 170, rising consistently over the time of the game (one of the games he was above 220 for the last 2-3 mins of the game)
I have seen him scout sometimes, seems to be a Map/MU/Player specific thing, and I also saw him hold unscouted 3 rax SCV all-in, no bunker, had 1 tank that popped out just as the rush came up the ramp and died almost instantly - it was vs. some random master league kid, but then there isnt much finesse a pro can add to a 3 rax all-in~~
I'm sure he'd need some time to acclimate to the difference in style from EU to KR but I'm sure he can excel even in the Korean environment. Good luck SjoW!
On February 01 2011 11:12 powerdawg96 wrote: so Gom chose huk, ret, haypro and moonglade for the 4 foreigner code A spots. Does that mean Sjow wont play in GSL?
Sjow isn't even in Korea yet, how would he even play?
It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
On February 01 2011 18:35 NooN wrote: It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
He will be at the gom practise house at the time of the next iem right? Just look at Jinro.. It's the Swedish blood man :d jk.. but seriously Sjow's a good player. Considering all the weird shit going on in code A I think he has a shot ;d
On February 01 2011 18:35 NooN wrote: It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
He will be at the gom practise house at the time of the next iem right?
You don't know that, he has only applied for the foreigner house but if the gomstaff is up to date whos good and whos not he will not get chosen and not listen to the up hyping kids.
On February 01 2011 18:35 NooN wrote: It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
He will be at the gom practise house at the time of the next iem right?
You don't know that, he has only applied for the foreigner house but if the gomstaff is up to date whos good and whos not he will not get chosen and not listen to the up hyping kids.
Well considering he's been winning so much, I highly doubt you're right.. but guess we'll see. Which foreigner is so amazing that Sjow can't even be considered good anyway? Be happy for him instead of going all narrow minded.
On February 01 2011 18:35 NooN wrote: It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
He will be at the gom practise house at the time of the next iem right?
You don't know that, he has only applied for the foreigner house but if the gomstaff is up to date whos good and whos not he will not get chosen and not listen to the up hyping kids.
Well considering he's been winning so much, I highly doubt you're right.. but guess we'll see. Which foreigner is so amazing that Sjow can't even be considered good anyway? Be happy for him instead of going all narrow minded.
Why should i be happy for someone that isn't good enough for korea and be thinking he is all that with megalomania? "sjowbuild"...
I'm not gonna reply anything more since the admins prolly ban me for no reason again.
On February 01 2011 18:35 NooN wrote: It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
He will be at the gom practise house at the time of the next iem right?
You don't know that, he has only applied for the foreigner house but if the gomstaff is up to date whos good and whos not he will not get chosen and not listen to the up hyping kids.
Well considering he's been winning so much, I highly doubt you're right.. but guess we'll see. Which foreigner is so amazing that Sjow can't even be considered good anyway? Be happy for him instead of going all narrow minded.
Why should i be happy for someone that isn't good enough for korea and be thinking he is all that with megalomania? "sjowbuild"...
I'm not gonna reply anything more since the admins prolly ban me for no reason again.
None of the players who went there started out great, but they're working out great now. Being negative about it seems like a sad way of life, but it's your choice to make I guess. Also it's not like he's diminishing any other player's chances of going there. Gom picks the best, and probably sjow will go there, but stay in the thread of your favourite player going there instead of being a party pooper in this imo.
Also saying that the admins will probably ban you again is considered to beg for it.
All the people saying Sjow won't make it far in GSL... it is impossible to tell. Has he ever played against the koreans/idra/Jinro without lag? Nope.
Not saying he WILL dominate.. I'm just saying we should lay off the assumptions until he actually demonstrates whether he is good enough or not. Which he is already in the process of doing so.
On February 01 2011 18:35 NooN wrote: It's ridicoulous how every swede comes online on this forum and putting sjow on a pedestal telling he will participate with the pros in code s like he belongs there. He will get demolished in the next iem coming up.
Why is it ridiculous? Next to White-RA he's the best foreigner at the moment(that's not already over in Korea). It's not unbelievable that he will advance from code A into code S and he'll definitely not get "demolished".
I thought I'd shed some light over this. SjoW said in an interview that he's received a reply from GOMtv.
Moose: - While we are talking about Korea, a lot of people probably want to know how your application to the GSL house is going? Did you get any reply?
SjoW: - They have contacted me and they were very happy that I applied. However I don't know yet if I will go. It would be for the next Code A season and there's so much going on at home right now so I have to think about it.
EPT
?, since they are in same team, same nationality , afaik are friends and nani expressed interest its quite probable
