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On January 20 2011 08:42 gregnog wrote:
Gotta say... that entire game came down to Jinro getting that 1 hp Marine into the bunker, which was 100% luck to begin with. I feel like if Jinro wasn't prepared for the 6 pool from the announcers, he might not have had the presence of mind during that micro battle to save that extra 1 hit. Hard to say, but its obvious it would have been at least somewhat different without the extra 20+ seconds of preparation Jinro had to prepare and think it over.
All you people saying it didn't effect anything are clearly biased fanboys. Don't show your ignorance saying this is not an issue.
In any other sport you are not allowed inside the huddle of the enemy team, you are not allowed to look into there play book, nothing of the sort.
Whoa, no, I don't think this is acceptable.
First of all, what evidence from the game shows that Jinro was prepared for this? He freaking didn't have a wall in! You go on to say that he might not have had "the presence of mind" to save the marine, but earlier in the post you say it was 100% luck that it lived.
To be honest, I don't think much would have changed in the actual game. If Jinro had walled off after scouting, then yes. The lings got into his base, from watching the game it didn't seem like he knew anything was up, no quick switch into something else or anything like that.
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On January 20 2011 08:42 gregnog wrote:
Gotta say... that entire game came down to Jinro getting that 1 hp Marine into the bunker, which was 100% luck to begin with. I feel like if Jinro wasn't prepared for the 6 pool from the announcers, he might not have had the presence of mind during that micro battle to save that extra 1 hit. Hard to say, but its obvious it would have been at least somewhat different without the extra 20+ seconds of preparation Jinro had to prepare and think it over.
All you people saying it didn't effect anything are clearly biased fanboys. Don't show your ignorance saying this is not an issue.
In any other sport you are not allowed inside the huddle of the enemy team, you are not allowed to look into there play book, nothing of the sort.
Please tell me where you saw the wall in. Thanks.
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Amazing that it took a fucking foreigner who doesn't understand korean to bring up the issue of hearing commentators.
And this all just makes some sense, Idra has pride and I doubt he'd take a rematch over something like that in game 4.
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Jinro said: "i'll be honnest, at like 1st second of the game music goes down and I hear the commentaros go: "OOOOOHH !!" i'm like okay i'm gonna scout. then my scout didn't see anything because i missed the line of ........."
kinda weird you know... Some may think it didn't changed anything... I believe it changed the issue... even if he didn't saw it... I seriously do think it changed something... BUT
I have a lot of respect for both of these players so I'll let gom.tv sort it out and trust gom.tv.
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On January 20 2011 09:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Amazing that it took a fucking foreigner who doesn't understand korean to bring up the issue of hearing commentators.
And this all just makes some sense, Idra has pride and I doubt he'd take a rematch over something like that in game 4. Everyone else could understand the commentators so they had no reason to say anything. And to be fair, it's not like Jinro was running around with a stunning expose -- he just kinda said it offhandedly and everything blew up from there.
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People should read Jinro's new interview before further discussion:
On January 20 2011 Jinro wrote:Uhm, it has never been an issue until now, and even now I'm not even sure if I actually heard something. I was sure I did when it happened, but I can't hear it in the VOD at all so I don't know. Hearing cheers, just barely, is generally not something you can take much from. 6 pool and someone having a nice sign sounds the same.
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well im glad they're addressing the issue
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Though thing to do in case of Gom cause they kinda gave Jinro a big hint of what was coming, too bad no rematch...
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On January 20 2011 10:32 Maenander wrote:People should read Jinro's new interview before further discussion: Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 Jinro wrote:Uhm, it has never been an issue until now, and even now I'm not even sure if I actually heard something. I was sure I did when it happened, but I can't hear it in the VOD at all so I don't know. Hearing cheers, just barely, is generally not something you can take much from. 6 pool and someone having a nice sign sounds the same.
QFT
Also, some people need to use some common sense. I'm 100% sure the Koreans can't understand a single word of the muffled voices from the commentators either, and are thus as much in the dark as the foreigners. Loud shrieks and other noises of an aberrant frequency are much easier to detect by humans, especially when juxtaposed next to the normal sounds of voices. It's not like any of the players are going: "hmm, maybe I should take my attention off the game, and try to listen to the muffled commentators so I can possibly gain an advantage." If the soundproofing was bad to the point that the Koreans could clearly hear what the commentators are saying, this issue would have been brought up and resolved LONG ago.
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On January 20 2011 10:09 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 09:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Amazing that it took a fucking foreigner who doesn't understand korean to bring up the issue of hearing commentators.
And this all just makes some sense, Idra has pride and I doubt he'd take a rematch over something like that in game 4. Everyone else could understand the commentators so they had no reason to say anything. And to be fair, it's not like Jinro was running around with a stunning expose -- he just kinda said it offhandedly and everything blew up from there.
I am sure "OOOHHHH!" is only something koreans could understand and decipher.
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On January 20 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
I just wanted to mention Idra himself mentioned how you can hear through the booths weeks ago, on STOG. Him and Incontrol were talking about it.
This was buried in the thread and not mentioned but so true- this was something mentioned weeks ago, and if memory serves me, I think it was even brought up on that cast about the possibility of someone hearing them yell if there was a 6 pool.
Interesting. Though it seemed to have no impact on the outcome.
Much respect to Jinro for admitting, and IdrA for being a man about it and not complaining.
Good day for e-sports.
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man only if americans were as honest as koreans
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On January 20 2011 11:29 Silidons wrote:
man only if americans were as honest as koreans
What does this have to do with the thread?
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On January 20 2011 08:41 LittleAtari wrote:
Jinro put himself out there by being honest. He probably knew that people would call him a cheater for it or undeserving of the win. It could even affect whether or not there should be a re-game. To be honest, this is the best situation that something like this could happen in. It was in a match that was a pretty big deal and it didn't affect the outcome of the game. Players always say that they can hear the commentators at public events, but no one ever makes really big changes.
EDIT: Like someone else said before, yea Jinro could've spoken directly to someone about the issue, but when you do something like announce it in an interview and get people talking, you have a better chance of something being done about the issue.
This is going to be a HARSH but BLUNT statement
People who even conciderd jinro a cheater for something he had NO CONTROL over are stupid fucking idiots sorry but its true just think about it logically
1) he had no control over hearing the commentators
2) he was open and honest about it he didn't have to tell anyone anything
3) WHO in there right mind would fucking blame jinro for something he couldn't help .. a fucking trolling idiot thats who
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gomtv should ban themselves :F
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Lots of people have really exaggerated the issue. I doubt it's had a significant impact on many games. As Jinro said - the music is only quiet for the first minute of the game / between tracks. There would be very few windows of opportunity to hear an "Oooh", and even then, you're probably so focused that it wouldn't mean much to you. Jinro won the game fair and square. IdrA agrees, GomTV agrees, and yet stupid raging nerds are disagreeing for the sake of it.
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On January 20 2011 11:15 Durp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
I just wanted to mention Idra himself mentioned how you can hear through the booths weeks ago, on STOG. Him and Incontrol were talking about it. This was buried in the thread and not mentioned but so true- this was something mentioned weeks ago, and if memory serves me, I think it was even brought up on that cast about the possibility of someone hearing them yell if there was a 6 pool. Interesting. Though it seemed to have no impact on the outcome. Much respect to Jinro for admitting, and IdrA for being a man about it and not complaining. Good day for e-sports.
You say good day for esports but the fact is people are arguing about the possiblity of jinro getting an unfair advantage.
Let's assume that jinro did hear the "oooooh!" clear enough for him to notice it. It might be vague and not much to make out of, but it is an external interuption to the slightest extent, and that is just gomtv's incompetence. If they had done their job properly, this would never have happened. I mean, providing sound and undisturbed environment for the players should be high priority.
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On January 20 2011 10:40 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 10:32 Maenander wrote:People should read Jinro's new interview before further discussion: On January 20 2011 Jinro wrote:Uhm, it has never been an issue until now, and even now I'm not even sure if I actually heard something. I was sure I did when it happened, but I can't hear it in the VOD at all so I don't know. Hearing cheers, just barely, is generally not something you can take much from. 6 pool and someone having a nice sign sounds the same. QFT Also, some people need to use some common sense. I'm 100% sure the Koreans can't understand a single word of the muffled voices from the commentators either, and are thus as much in the dark as the foreigners.
Because hearing the Korean commentator go nuts 1min into the game means nothing right? A bit of common sense would tell someone something is going on in which Jinro reacted and sent a scv scout (by the sounds of he never sends it early on Jungle Basin). Yes he missed the lings and drones, but he would of been on alert status in his mind. He also saw the last ling or 2 run by which would of indicated a pool first strat.
Overall I don't think it changed the result of the game however you wonder how many other games players got a headsup because of the Korean commenator going nuts. I'm glad GOM has addressed it so quickly which shows how professional and dedicated they are.
Props to Jinro for letting people know what went on as well.
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At the very least, this is another reason why players shouldn't cheese. 
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Artosis mentioned in his live commentary that the 6-pool was planned in advance and that it might work out because Jinro usually scouts really late. Then, Jinro scouted earlier than usual.
Whether or not it affected the outcome of the game, it did affect the game. GOMtv is handling it; so, good.
The bigger story here is that Jinro may actually be human. He got rushed early and freaked out a bit. He accidentally cancelled his Marine instead of his Barracks... Then again, he managed to keep that marine alive and eeked out a win against the odds.
Best of luck in the Round of 4 (and hopefully the Finals)!
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