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[Trans] ESPORTS: It's not just for men - Page 4

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djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
January 05 2011 00:34 GMT
#61
Jung So-Lim was a big inspiration for me after I had the chance to meet her in 2002. In 2003 her English was good enough that we could actually have a conversation. For the next 4 years we'd have these regular reunions at WCG events and every time she would always be so interested in what was going on in the US.

I really wish we had some dominant female casters on the US side - I know we have some talented ladies, but if anyone remembers Trillian and Deeay from the FPS days, we have no one who even comes close to those two gals.
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Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
January 05 2011 00:55 GMT
#62
Damn, Tossgirl's pic makes her look pretty damn good.
TheSurgeonTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States131 Posts
January 05 2011 00:56 GMT
#63
what is a PD?
Bringing Starcraft Main Stream
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
January 05 2011 01:18 GMT
#64
On January 05 2011 09:55 Weedk wrote:
Damn, Tossgirl's pic makes her look pretty damn good.

She have always looked good : >
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
January 05 2011 01:19 GMT
#65
-_-... I can relate to tossgirl in some ways and I think she's super honest about saying>
"Seo Ji-Soo: I think I became popular, even though I've never made an appearance in proleague, because I'm a woman. I only did well in female leagues, but that was good enough to get me popular."
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
January 05 2011 01:20 GMT
#66
On January 05 2011 09:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
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MBC Game Hero Plus' coach Lim Soo-Ra.


ah, so this is where effort went after retiring from CJ, i'm diggin his new look. awesome wig.

did the MBC zergs get better this round after he coached them?


dangit Hot_Bid....I thought that she was fairly attractive. Now all I see (and all I will ever see) is EffOrt. Thanks T_T
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
k.taeyang
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Peru145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 01:25:27
January 05 2011 01:22 GMT
#67
Most Asian cultures are male dominant and I think it will be like that forever.
I am not saying that Asians exclude women 100%, but the society is really conservative about this issue.

In a colder but easier way to understand this:

Men hang out with men
Girls hang out with other girls
And if you are a man who have a close friend who is a girl, or viceversa, they may always suspect you of being a couple.
And if you are homo you are doomed

That's how far sexism is in South Korea
I am not saying everybody in Korea is like this
I am basing this from personal experience.

Korean people are very intolerant because of their conservative nature.

For example in Korea, people are so different to what you see in other people in US or any other country.

We are in 2011 already, it's not weird to see a woman making a living by herself, but as you see in this interview is showing us what is actually happening in their lives.

I actually didn't like this interview because they make themselves look bad.
Not themselves but the whole society these women live in.

I feel sorry for January who wants to keep a coach-trainee relationship but can't because of the awkward barrier between them.

I feel sorry for those women casters who wants to stand out, and have normal interviews like any other male casters

I feel sorry for TossGirl who wants to keep gaming, and stand out like any other male progamer but she can't because of her limits as a woman (Or maybe her own excuse for sucking so bad?)

They all like their jobs, but feel excluded from the rest. And when asked why do they like about being a woman they don't even feel special about it. It's like they are not positive at all, they are ranting about society or whatever... but what else can they do if they don't change their attitudes at all. At least these women could feel a little more special like TossGirl does!

It's like most of them feel sorry for being women
노력은 절대 배신 하지 않다 - 이제동 Hardwork never betrays - Lee Jae Dong
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
January 05 2011 01:38 GMT
#68
Seo Ji-Soo: Being a progamer, it was disappointing for me to lack stamina and emotion control. Since I lack physical stamina, I can't practice for long hours. Then the skill gap becomes bigger, and I start to lose games. I have the desire to win and compete, but I can't control my emotions since I lose all the time. After losing so many games, I become depressed and wonder if this is really worth doing anymore. I have to deal with these emotions myself, so it becomes very difficult at times.


Duno it's kinda weird of her to blame her gender for lacking in physical stamina and not being able to control her emotions. I mean I can see it in sports where men generally have better physical attributes to women but starcraft? That's like saying women can't compete with men in the business world because they lack the stamina to work as many hours.

I know it's a BW article and this probably won't happen, but I'd like to see the SC2 female korean caster being thrown into the mix
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 01:43:37
January 05 2011 01:41 GMT
#69
On January 04 2011 14:20 CanucksJC wrote:[image loading]


Tossgirl is cuuute in that pic. It's horrible thinking about how much she practices and wants to get better and how long she's been trying to make the big leagues and yet she continuously fails to reach that level. I think we should send her a huge fan package soon! :D
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diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
January 05 2011 01:46 GMT
#70
Lol funniest thread in a loong time ^^ First the pics, then hot_bid pointing out the effort resemblance... Pure comedy gold
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KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
January 05 2011 02:04 GMT
#71
On January 04 2011 17:48 CanucksJC wrote:
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Kang Min? About this big, why do you ask?
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Just wondering.

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You must see a lot of them living in the almost all boys house, huh (T)ToSsGirL?
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Oh, ya I want to know too. Anything worth mentioning? MBC is boring now that (P)Clare is playing that game that must not be named...
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keke, it's possible...
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Oh? This may be relevant to my interests!

+ Show Spoiler +
Clare is MarineKing aka Foxer aka Boxer aka ellenpage. Link doesn't match up with his SC2 career for whatever reason
In order to move forward, we must rid ourselves of that which holds us back. Check out my stream and give me tips! twitch.tv/intotheskyy
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
January 05 2011 02:09 GMT
#72
I knew someone would make a whole series with all the pictures rofl
UBC StarCraft Club is official @ UBC Vancouver campus! Your first eSport community on campus. Welcomes players of all levels at UBC. Follow us on facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=155630424470014 or IRC @ irc.rizon.net #ubcsc
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
January 05 2011 02:11 GMT
#73
I found this article really interesting. Glad to see some women trying to break through the gender roles a bit. Thanks for the translation.
Life is Good.
GG_NO_RE
Profile Joined October 2009
Japan238 Posts
January 05 2011 02:29 GMT
#74
good read, thanks a lot. looking forward to the rest
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 05 2011 02:45 GMT
#75
Thanks for the translation.. awesome insight
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
January 05 2011 03:08 GMT
#76
Thanks for finishing, one quick question:

The caster's name changed from Jung So-Lim in the first part to Jung So-Rim in the second and third. Which one is it?
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
January 05 2011 03:12 GMT
#77
It depends on ur pronounciation, but im changing them to Jung So-Lim
UBC StarCraft Club is official @ UBC Vancouver campus! Your first eSport community on campus. Welcomes players of all levels at UBC. Follow us on facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=155630424470014 or IRC @ irc.rizon.net #ubcsc
Puporing
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada44 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 03:25:06
January 05 2011 03:24 GMT
#78
Great interview and thanks for the translation CanucksJC!

It never really made sense to me why female e-sport gamers would tend to easily become popular. Maybe it's the 'rarity' that made it so. Nowadays it just seems like whenever there's a female player around, people would automatically think positively of her. I think this makes it advantageous for females if they want a career in esports - given that they have what it takes. So even though there could be gender barriers/differences and societal pressures that make it 'hard' for females, this may well be compensated by this gap in how positively they're portrayed in the e-sport community.
UBC StarCraft Club is official @ UBC Vancouver campus! Your first eSport community on campus. Welcomes players of all levels at UBC. Follow us on facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=155630424470014 or IRC @ irc.rizon.net #ubcsc
TriumpHisme
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States97 Posts
January 05 2011 03:44 GMT
#79
Such a cool thing that in korea women are part of esports its kind of spectacular, i showed my mom not only this interview but the play ceremony to the OSL finals and she was blown away by how big it was in korea we was also shocked that there were girl progamers

ugh addicted to TL.
"A loss is not a bad thing. Failure is not something to be scorned or avoided ... Those losses, those games that you did not play well, that you lost - that is not YOU. That is not a reflection of you. That game is completely external to you." - Day[9]
zor.au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia270 Posts
January 05 2011 03:58 GMT
#80
On January 04 2011 14:59 lastkarrde wrote:
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Kim Ga-Eul so Beautiful!

wow.... NO


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