[Trans] ESPORTS: It's not just for men - Page 8

On January 05 2011 21:37 CanucksJC wrote:

Women do lack stamina. Look at every other sport and tell me in which one a woman holds a record over a man. Swimming, running, jumping, soccer, hockey, basketball. Men are clearly superior.

On January 07 2011 05:34 ptbl wrote:


I don't think men are superior. Males and females have different strengths. Just imagine telling your daughter "sweetie, men are clearly better and superior than you." Anyway, thanks for translating the interview. Much kudos!

On January 07 2011 05:46 crappen wrote:


If I had a daughter, I would have told her that if she asked or if it was brought up, but keep in mind that I would not use a tone that she is doomed etc. It does not matter that men are superior to her in sports, it matter that she wants to be all that she can be, to fulfill all her potential. And competing in woman sports is just as competing as men anyways. Even though she is inferior, the feeling and the competition is not.
Tbh I dont see how this has anything to do with what this interview here is. One woman here complains that her voice can not hold at climax, so what, cant she go around it using a different approach? She is in a unique position, to be one of the first few woman that commentate in this field, why does she have to throw this away by looking at what she lacks?
Tossgirl has a very devestating excuse, that her male counterpart just have more stamina, which I find is just an excuse.

All it takes are confidence and daring to try out new things. One of the girls told them to not listen what others tell them to do, but find their own style. That was the best advice given, and they should focus on that and not blame society and what not.

On January 06 2011 05:29 crappen wrote:
Females are not very welcome in social settings when men are talking. Female can often invoke conflict and emotions in men that could set them up against another. Men are also very sensitive, our toes can easily be stepped on, and we remember it well.

But I think that a woman who has a family of her own can go well in mens social clubs, as she is married and have kids, she is no longer wanted by other men and will not set men up against each other.

On January 07 2011 06:02 ptbl wrote:


You have an interesting perspective regarding the dynamics of women empowerment. Personally, I would tell my daughter, if I also had one () to reach for the stars, create her own path in life, and try your best. I think we can agree that you don't want women in our society to see themselves as second class citizens and inferior to men. After all, this isn't the middle ages!

I think Tossgirl has the wrong attitude. She's already set herself back 10 steps if she's blaming her lack of success from being female. Though, I don't blame her. When an entire culture perpetuates that females are inferior, weak, and "emotionally unstable," it's hard to fight against these baseless perceptions. She should draw strength from her gender and let it empower her.

If a female child says, "I want to be the first women president" or "I want to win the GSL," I will tell her to try hard, don't give up, and reach for the stars.

In some ways men and women are consistently different, but the significant differences in their brains only pertain to those primitive behaviours which include mating, parenting and aggression. When it comes to higher functions—the skills that arguably make us human—the similarities outweigh the differences. On average, men and women score equally on mathematical and reading ability, for example. Reported differences in empathy, leadership and verbal fluency have all been exaggerated, according to Mr Pfaff. Where differences in these skills do exist, the causes may lie in the social context.

On January 07 2011 07:13 Haemonculus wrote:
And until then? Shall we stay home in the kitchen so as not to ruffle any feathers? This sense of hostility is largely responsible for there not being many women involved in gaming in the first place.

On January 07 2011 13:26 judytuna wrote:
Thank you very much OP for doing the work of translating this for us. I'm glad that the Korean media is interested enough to facilitate discussion of the issue. =)

I opened the Economist to a random page today and saw an article about a new book on sexual determination. Check it out: http://www.economist.com/node/17797036

Here's a quote (from the article, not the book):


I am not a sociologist, nor a microbiologist, but I find this fascinating. It's very difficult to talk about gender and sexual traits because, as the article mentions (and I'm sure the book goes way more into this), even things such as maternal stress can cause a baby with male DNA to get more feminine traits, and there are huge societal factors at play too.

So it's way too glib to just say "of course the reason there are no women in games is women can't play strategy games." It's more complicated than that, and I'm sure even the "aggression" displayed in male brains is a specific kind, bla bla bla.

It's way complicated, and I don't have the answers, but I do want to echo what I saw elsewhere on this page:


Regardless of the top-level stuff where issues of physical stamina and stuff matter... It's kinda hard to get girls (in casual play) to stay around because the environment's pretty hostile. You get into a kind of chicken-and-egg situation.... girls are rare, so people say things like "you play like a girl" as an insult, and then girls are like "that's hostile" and then they don't play, so it self-perpetuates.

I don't know what to do about it. But I'm glad we're sort of talking about it. Thank you again, OP. The article meant a lot to me... the women's candor, and the inside look at esports.

When she said she wishes to be a man in her next life every day when she wakes up... that is just fucking heartbreaking. I don't even think that. I have no idea what to do about it, and change takes a long time, but I'm glad they're working hard to do what they love. It's very inspirational, even if it is fucking depressing at the same time.

But i find it very revealing that these women blamed female's own weaknesses which may make it unsuitable for this line of job instead of complaining about society ( aside from the drinking problem)