• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:38
CET 04:38
KST 12:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced11[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest RSL Revival: Season 3 Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Which season is the best in ASL? soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2052 users

[Trans] ESPORTS: It's not just for men - Page 3

Forum Index > Community News and Headlines
173 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
January 04 2011 16:02 GMT
#41
Perhaps Tossgirl should consider breaking contract and switching to SC2.. it's really hard for her in BW to catch up right now
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 16:30:09
January 04 2011 16:26 GMT
#42
On January 05 2011 01:02 netherDrake wrote:
Perhaps Tossgirl should consider breaking contract and switching to SC2.. it's really hard for her in BW to catch up right now

They should just let Tossgirl prove herself again in live games. I imagine she can't do worse in a game than say... Juni or Canata.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
January 04 2011 16:42 GMT
#43
Tossgirl should have been allowed to play in the STX cup. It's for teams to give B-teamers a chance anyway. That would have made up for the fiasco of removing players from the bench.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
January 04 2011 17:25 GMT
#44
On January 04 2011 14:45 Crunchums wrote:
it's good to see that they're not complaining about sexism (at least so far), rather they are just saying that having no Y chromosome is bad for a career in esports

They aren't complaining much about sexism because it's not part of the Korean culture to consider this. Gender roles are much more conservative and traditional in Korea, and it's a little depressing to see that they are still so heavily boxed into these roles that they are otherwise overwhelmed by the thought of "growing up, having to get married, having to give birth, and then having to devote all time to the child" and such.

Obviously this is a major difference in perception and they don't see this as unusual thinking at all, but it's clearly shoehorned gender roles like this that result in major disparities.
the last wcs commissioner
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
January 04 2011 18:56 GMT
#45
On January 05 2011 01:26 Amaranthine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 01:02 netherDrake wrote:
Perhaps Tossgirl should consider breaking contract and switching to SC2.. it's really hard for her in BW to catch up right now

They should just let Tossgirl prove herself again in live games. I imagine she can't do worse in a game than say... Juni or Canata.

Tossgirl is probably just not good enough even compared to these players. It's easy to forget that players around the top end of the B-team are actually really good players, and I can imagine the gap between Canata and the worst B-teamers being pretty large. Looking at Tossgirls performance in the prelims, she's probably in the bottom 3 in the STX lineup, maybe even the worst, and if you take age into consideration she's definately the worst investment in the team. I don't think the coach would be very popular if he let Tossgirl play, only because she's a girl (which is basically the only reason to play her unless she have improved drastically). I also hope she'll get to play eventually, but she'll have to earn it first. Unfortunately I don't think it will ever happen, since she's had a ideal practice environment for years now, and still not reached the A-team.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#46
On January 05 2011 02:25 tedster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 14:45 Crunchums wrote:
it's good to see that they're not complaining about sexism (at least so far), rather they are just saying that having no Y chromosome is bad for a career in esports

They aren't complaining much about sexism because it's not part of the Korean culture to consider this. Gender roles are much more conservative and traditional in Korea, and it's a little depressing to see that they are still so heavily boxed into these roles that they are otherwise overwhelmed by the thought of "growing up, having to get married, having to give birth, and then having to devote all time to the child" and such.

Obviously this is a major difference in perception and they don't see this as unusual thinking at all, but it's clearly shoehorned gender roles like this that result in major disparities.


This was going through my head non-stop while reading this article... especially when one of them said this...

Seo Ji-Soo: Being a progamer, it was disappointing for me to lack stamina and emotion control. Since I lack physical stamina, I can't practice for long hours. Then the skill gap becomes bigger, and I start to lose games. I have the desire to win and compete, but I can't control my emotions since I lose all the time. After losing so many games, I become depressed and wonder if this is really worth doing anymore. I have to deal with these emotions myself, so it becomes very difficult at times.

A woman in the US would never admit to such weaknesses (Disclaimer: If they exist)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 20:56:41
January 04 2011 20:48 GMT
#47
On January 04 2011 15:36 [Azn]Nada wrote:
was I the only one who saw the title and thought this was going to be an argument that BW was a culture, not Blizzard's (One Man's) possession?


Same.

Very interesting article! Can't wait for the rest. Never really thought about the female perspective of the industry.

Tx for translation.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#48
On January 04 2011 17:48 CanucksJC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 17:17 FlowerbedOfDreams wrote:
[image loading]
Kang Min? About this big, why do you ask?

[image loading]
Just wondering.


HAHAHAHAHA :D
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
January 04 2011 21:45 GMT
#49
If you are still considering translating the rest, please do. I found out yesterday that the topic for my english class this semester is "gender in popular culture" and I was going to do mine on Tossgirl+january+ the female leauge. Then this came up the same day and I was like OMG WHAT LUCK!!!!!
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
January 04 2011 21:55 GMT
#50
On January 05 2011 06:45 hacklebeast wrote:
If you are still considering translating the rest, please do. I found out yesterday that the topic for my english class this semester is "gender in popular culture" and I was going to do mine on Tossgirl+january+ the female leauge. Then this came up the same day and I was like OMG WHAT LUCK!!!!!

LOL i will work on it later tonite before GSL starts
UBC StarCraft Club is official @ UBC Vancouver campus! Your first eSport community on campus. Welcomes players of all levels at UBC. Follow us on facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=155630424470014 or IRC @ irc.rizon.net #ubcsc
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 04 2011 22:18 GMT
#51
About the female casters , now that I think about it, I don't ever see female casters at any sports really, except gymnastics and sometimes swimming. Hockey, Football/soccer is all done by male casters, perhaps in general males are more interested in these sports ofcourse but I'm still curious why the amount of female casters is low overall, not just at BW
WriterXiao8~~
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
January 04 2011 22:25 GMT
#52
On January 05 2011 06:55 CanucksJC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 06:45 hacklebeast wrote:
If you are still considering translating the rest, please do. I found out yesterday that the topic for my english class this semester is "gender in popular culture" and I was going to do mine on Tossgirl+january+ the female leauge. Then this came up the same day and I was like OMG WHAT LUCK!!!!!

LOL i will work on it later tonite before GSL starts


Thanks a lot.

And If you ever need something translated from german that was written at a 5th grade reading level, I've got you covered.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
January 04 2011 22:30 GMT
#53
Male voices don't destroy my ear drums when they shout GEEEEE GEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!~~
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 22:42:59
January 04 2011 22:42 GMT
#54
I thought that this was referring to the Gretech/Blizzard vs. KeSPA issue, but this was interesting to read as well.
Hearing the female opinions and struggles in progaming, either a player or a coach, is something that had me wondering for a time. I always wondered about Tossgirl's gaming career, and now I know for sure that she's serious about it. Also, is January pregnant, or is she considering having a child? o_O
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
January 04 2011 23:31 GMT
#55
updated 2/3
UBC StarCraft Club is official @ UBC Vancouver campus! Your first eSport community on campus. Welcomes players of all levels at UBC. Follow us on facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=155630424470014 or IRC @ irc.rizon.net #ubcsc
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
January 04 2011 23:45 GMT
#56
Yay thanks alot man. It's quite long but a really nice read. Your effort is appreciated.

Damn Tossgirl is cute. I wonder why, with all the gimmicks STX is doing, they don't think of sending Tossgirl out in Proleague. Fans would go nuts.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 00:04:41
January 05 2011 00:02 GMT
#57
[image loading]
MBC Game Hero Plus' coach Lim Soo-Ra.


ah, so this is where effort went after retiring from CJ, i'm diggin his new look. awesome wig.

did the MBC zergs get better this round after he coached them?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
January 05 2011 00:08 GMT
#58
On January 05 2011 09:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
[image loading]
MBC Game Hero Plus' coach Lim Soo-Ra.


ah, so this is where effort went after retiring from CJ, i'm diggin his new look. awesome wig.

did the MBC zergs get better this round after he coached them?


lol i just started to see the resemblance
#1 Fantasy Fan!!!!
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 05 2011 00:12 GMT
#59
OH GOD.... dammit.. you guys completely ruined Lim Soo-Ra for me. game over.

Props to Canuck for posting this eh?!
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
January 05 2011 00:16 GMT
#60
On January 05 2011 09:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
[image loading]
MBC Game Hero Plus' coach Lim Soo-Ra.


ah, so this is where effort went after retiring from CJ, i'm diggin his new look. awesome wig.

did the MBC zergs get better this round after he coached them?

Damn... At first I thought what a familiar cute face.

Then reading your post I can't stop but think about Effort now loool.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 249
WinterStarcraft245
Nathanias 114
RuFF_SC2 111
Nina 62
StarCraft: Brood War
Noble 20
Icarus 5
Dota 2
XaKoH 465
monkeys_forever384
Super Smash Bros
amsayoshi72
Other Games
summit1g15475
Mew2King101
ViBE63
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1899
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream204
Other Games
BasetradeTV138
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 71
• Berry_CruncH46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 32
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4563
• Rush1163
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 22m
NightMare vs YoungYakov
Krystianer vs Classic
ByuN vs Shameless
SKillous vs Percival
WardiTV Korean Royale
8h 22m
Zoun vs SHIN
TBD vs Reynor
TBD vs herO
Solar vs TBD
BSL 21
16h 22m
Hawk vs Kyrie
spx vs Cross
Replay Cast
20h 22m
Wardi Open
1d 8h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 13h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Wardi Open
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.