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I must say, the Terran all-in's in the recent games have been the worst matches and overall GSL "performance" (enteirtanement wise).
Worse yet they make me hate GSL 2 finals which were if nothing else great at the time... but now it kind of blends togheter with the whole of Season 3 GSL where every terran does the same.
GSL 2 was great fun, GSL 3 has been way way to many cheese builds and way to little macro manlyness.
Jinro is a huge breath of fresh air though.
Can not blame TSL_Rain for doing what had to be done to win, but christ not even the interviewer can keep him/herself from disliking the way he played.
Nestea, you're still Nr1 for me.
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I HOPE HOPE HOPE that HongUn pulls out the carriers against Rain....
Carriers into mothership.... would be sweet!!
Entertain us HongUn. 
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On December 07 2010 02:26 Niick wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:11 riverkim09 wrote:
Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won.
Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong. Agreed. So god damn what if someone used "cheese" He did it when he knew it would win. AND he doesnt do it all the time, perfectly fine and nothing to get angry over.
Absolutely right, Rain didn't cheese/all-in every game. The thing is he didn't win any of the game he didn't cheese in. So really, it makes no difference. Sure he did what he had to do because he wants to win, understandable. Will this make him a fan-favorite like Fruitdealer? No, definitely not.
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I really didn't want to see either of these guys in the finals 
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Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good!
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On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote:
Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games.
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On December 07 2010 06:36 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote:
Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games.
No that is only needed because Zergs keep playing greedy. P or T don't open 15 CC/Nexus against eachother.
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote:
"TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
Rain has more skill then your brain can handle...
TLO is NOT god... Other people are better than him..
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On December 07 2010 06:07 drlame wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:26 Niick wrote:On December 07 2010 02:11 riverkim09 wrote:
Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won.
Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong. Agreed. So god damn what if someone used "cheese" He did it when he knew it would win. AND he doesnt do it all the time, perfectly fine and nothing to get angry over. Absolutely right, Rain didn't cheese/all-in every game. The thing is he didn't win any of the game he didn't cheese in. So really, it makes no difference. Sure he did what he had to do because he wants to win, understandable. Will this make him a fan-favorite like Fruitdealer? No, definitely not.
Rain didn't cheese. He used a safe and established timing attack against a known Zerg opening. Timing attacks are hilariously strong in this game, get over the "cheese" fallback.
You don't call using an uppercut against a predictable jump-in "cheese" in a fighting game, even though it's a "risky" move that leaves you "open to punishment", because it's known to work against jump-ins most of the time and is therefore a proper response.
If you don't like timing attacks, that's a different story altogether, but unfortunately they are extremely difficult to stop in SC2 with anything other than brute force.
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On December 07 2010 04:47 riverkim09 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:45 Avatar360 wrote:On December 07 2010 04:27 Selith wrote:On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote:
Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand. If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place? If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion. Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them Lol... You have no idea how hard it is to live being a pro-gamer do you? Slayers_boxer and nada can lose all the games they want cuz they make like 250K a year on contracts... They couldn't care less about winning GSL. Rain doesn't have that. He needs to do what ever he can to win.
riverkim09... i believe you defend too much terran all in. Terran can play macro games too and has many advantages too. It's all about the players, but making 6-8 marines and attack with all the scv's agains a hatchery first zerg... anyone can do it. BTW i liked the last game TSL_Rain won, and he won it fair and square, there was no all in about it, even expanded. All in is a gamble and you can lose quite easy too... tends to be more luck than micro or strategy. The thing is if you win, you lose if you lose you lose at this. I think no one wants to see top tournaments won by all in's. Am I right??
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On December 07 2010 06:40 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:36 hmunkey wrote:On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote:
Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games. No that is only needed because Zergs keep playing greedy. P or T don't open 15 CC/Nexus against eachother.
This is pretty true. There has to be something to keep players in check. Without this sort of dynamic games would be very boring. It might be kinda shitty to watch for some people but this sort of phases are essential for things to develop, and as a process it will always, always exist.
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At least lets hope some protoss fan boys will enjoy the finals oGsMC fighting !
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On December 07 2010 06:40 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:36 hmunkey wrote:On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote:
Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games. No that is only needed because Zergs keep playing greedy. P or T don't open 15 CC/Nexus against eachother.
Bingo.
aggressive > greedy
greedy > standard/defense
standard/defense > aggressive
zerg has been opting for nothing but 14 hatch openings lately claiming it's their standard, when really it's the greedy opening, that is now being exploited for it's weakness against aggressive builds.
What you are all complaining about is in the same boat as if I said, marine with scv timing attacks are standard terran openings, and if you defend with cannons you're such a cheeser.
It's the appropriate response to a specific style of play.
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"PpungPpungPrime" wins the awesome nick of the year! PPP the bonjwa of 2011!
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Those rush are because terran cant fight vs a zerg with good macro
after a fight they both lose their army but zerg can rebuild it in no time also banelings they are so cheap and imba a few of them can melt a big army and then you go mech the mutas comes and gg xD.
So yeah thanks to blizzard the only way to have a high chance to beat a zerg is rushing -_-
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On December 07 2010 07:58 Tehotihuacan wrote:
Those rush are because terran cant fight vs a zerg with good macro
after a fight they both lose their army but zerg can rebuild it in no time also banelings they are so cheap and imba a few of them can melt a big army and then you go mech the mutas comes and gg xD.
So yeah thanks to blizzard the only way to have a high chance to beat a zerg is rushing -_-
Well do you think Zerg could have any chance of winning staying 1 base?? hmm?
You're over exaggerating things,as you can see in GSL 3 banelings had been so inefficient because of good macro ( look at foxer, MVP, maka etc..) even jinro proved that in his fight against moon
and mutas are so ineffective against marine... what are you saying
are you in bronze or something? Proper micro will always beat muta banes and if you're smart not to engage in a open area
Also the fact that other race can stay 1 base is that they can block ramp and no chance a zerg can break through
There are banes bust but its a risky strategy
Meh not gonna complain anymore but this is the most annoying GSL ever
GSL1 had you standing up and waiting what will happen next
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Stop saying who 'should' have won. It doesn't matter who 'should' have won, it matters who did win. If someone didn't win, it's their own damn fault, don't say that they lost because their opponent cheesed or make other excuses for them. They're not making excuses and they surely don't need you to make them for them.
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I don't see why people complain about anything that isn't macro oriented late game... and then lable it cheese. If it was unfair then everyone past Round of 16 would be BitbyBitPrime type people. "Cheese" is completely stoppable, and all-in's work both ways, if they are defended the game is usually won. By the way going 14 hatch against 2rax is beyond dumb especially for the zerg god Nestea.
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when terran all-in against zerg, and the result is: T yields very high winning chance against FE hatch b4 pool, then as zerg maybe FE hatch b4 pool isn't a good choice anymore
zerg either develop a play that will effectively decrease the effectiveness of terran gamble play or play with current style and take that risk of losing in a bo5 series
that person asking the questions should back-off and rephrase his/her questions in some not-so-offending way with something like this
"do you think terran early aggressive all-in might be the best solution against zerg FE hatch b4 pool?"
rain said he only prepared for these aggressive builds, and he had to repeat that so many times
the interview might as well just ask 1 question
"could you please comment on how you feel about CHEESING your way?"
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