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CanucksJC is busy for next few days, so I'm helping him out.
Day 1 + Show Spoiler +TSL_Rain + Show Spoiler +TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals." Dec. 6th, TSL's Terran Park Seo-Yong, managed to defeat Season 2's defending champion Lim Jae-Duck (IMNestea) and moved onto the semi-finals. Q. You made it to the semi-finals. A. I'm happy. I can't believe I made it to the semi-finals yet. Q. Did you expect to make it to the semi-finals? A. I wanted to, but due to the lack of practice time, I prepared specific builds for today's matches. The expected chance was half-half. I could have lost, I could have won. Q. IMNestea was your opponent. A. The first two maps were good maps for the Terran, so I practiced around Lost Temple. But, I was in a lot of trouble when I lost in the Terran-favored maps. When IMNestea produced fast Mutalisks instead of building them later to deal with the Thor drop, my builds went haywire then. Q. You won a lot of matches through cheese rushes. A. I didn't have a lot of practice due to some personal issues. I had to prepare quickly, so I did not have a lot of time to practice macro-oriented games. Also, in maps like Steppes of War, if Zerg manages to get his expansion going, there's no way I can stop that. So I prepared cheese for it. Overall, I didn't really get to practice. I wasn't confident in the Shakuras Plateau either, due to IMNestea being in diagonal direction from me. Q. Terrans are doing a lot of cheese recently. A. That depends on the map and how close we are. There are maps where it's possible to block them, and maps where it is not possible to. I didn't expect to end it so fast in the last map, Xel'naga Caverns. I wanted to retreat after applying pressure, but Zerg took unexpected heavy damage. That caused the game to go in the favor of me, and after that, I thought that I won. I lost focus suddenly, and mis-managed my resources. But after, I managed to take it carefully and win. Q. Did Lee Un-Jae coach help you? A. He helped me greatly with mind control. He told me repeatedly that as long as I play as I prepared, I would win. Q. There's going to be some reactions from the fans if you win with cheese A. I only had 2 days in which I was able to practice properly. I had personal problems, and I didn't have the time. Not to mention the matches being best of 5, so I couldn't prepare for all maps either. For me, I did my best. Q. The semi-finals will be either TSL_FruitDealer or HongUnPrime.WE. A. TSL_FruitDealer is in my team, so it would be good if he will be in the semi-finals. However, I will think about how to deal with the semis once the opponent has been decided. Q. Do you have the desire to be the champion? A. I will prepare properly for sure according to the maps chosen. I think I can make it to the finals if I prepare properly. Q. Anything else? A. I want to say thanks to teammates Kim Dong-Hyun (TSL_Revival), StarTale's Tak Hyun-Seung (sAviOr), SlayerS clan's Jo Myong-Hwan (GoldenfOu), and oGs' Jo Man-Hyuk (oGs.jookToJung). Also, in the semi-finals, I will show more macro-oriented plays than cheese rushes. I don't feel really like I have won due to all-ins, but I hope the fans will be understanding. Original interview can be found here: http://www.fomos.kr/star2/news_read.html?keyno=113169&db=interviewHongUnPrime.WE + Show Spoiler +HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning." Prime's An Hong-Uk (HongUnPrime.WE) is the first Protoss player to make it to the semi-finals. HongUnPrime.WE managed to defeat Season 1's winner, TSL_FruitDealer 3:2, and succeeded in making it to the semi-finals. Q. You are the first Protoss to make it to the semi-finals. A. Right now, I'm really happy that I managed to defeat TSL_FruitDealer. I always thought that he was the best Zerg (excluding my team). He is a good player in that his actions and words are helpful. So, winning over such a player, it does make me very happy. Q. Aren't you happy that you have won the title, "First Protoss in the Semi-Finals"? A. TSL_Rain certainly showed how powerful he is in the Ro 8 today. I am already worried about the semi-finals. Therefore, the title "First Protoss in the Semi-Finals" don't really feel like it yet. First of all, I need to win in the semi-finals, then I will enjoy the title of being the 'first'. Q. The first match's strategy seemed very good. A. I thought that I lost when the Hydralisks came out. I thought my hidden two Stargates at 3 o'clock weren't discovered. So, when I saw the Hydralisks, I thought "A Zerg playing like this is certainly refreshing!" while playing. Q. You showed exceptional defending skills in the Scrap Station in the second match. A. In the case of the Scrap Station, I thought to block whatever all-in it may be. I delayed my tech tree as much as possible, then built 6 Gateways quickly, allowing me to block it. I kind of expected there would be an all-in. Q. You lost barely in the third match. A. I expected that. However, I was hoping for a Nydus. I prepared for the possible Nydus, but TSL_FruitDealer just broke through. Also, I was really short on the minerals too. TSL_FruitDealer's strategy was brilliant here. I honestly didn't get to use every strategy that I've prepared today, and that was the case after the third match. Q. Your simcity defense was like an art in the fourth match. A. I used to do a play like this a lot during the beta. I alone used to do double Nexus, so I am used to being attacked. So, such simcity would happen naturally. This match made me remember the days of the beta. Q. You successfully did the Dark Templar strategy in the fifth match. A. It was the last match, and it is the map that favors the Protoss the most -- Blistering Sands. I expected that TSL_FruitDealer will be able to deal with me properly should I play normally. That might cause me to lose, so I chose to bring out the last card first. With that mindset, I went fast Dark Templar. Q. You seemed really happy after winning. A. I greatly respect TSL_FruitDealer. Winning against him, and in best of 5, how can it not be great? It made me very happy. I couldn't even control myself. Q. You made it to the semi-finals. Do you not desire for the champion title yet? A. I am playing StarCraft 2 because I'm having fun in it. I would like to make people entertained with my matches, rather than winning. Instead of showing the usual, I want to play games where I could watch it later as VOD and enjoy it. My goal is to show entertaining games rather than to win. Q. You will be challenging Park Seo-Yong (TSL_Rain) in the semi-finals. A. To be brutally honest, I expected to see IMNestea instead. My teammates also expected the same. But the winner was TSL_Rain, and all the plans I thought up in the team all went to the trash can after that. I think TSL_Rain is certainly amazing. I will do my best to win, and to show quality matches deserving of someone like TSL_Rain. Q. Anything else? A. I want to say thanks to Lee Hyong-Ju (CheckPrime) and Mun Hak-Seon (AnnyongPrime) for helping me practice. I also want to say thanks to "PpungPpungPrime" as well. That skilled player is the one that lost sadly in the prelim finals. I want to say thanks to those three players. Finally, I want to say thanks to Park Wae-Sik coach for helping me emotionally all the way up to just one hour before the matches. Original interview can be found here: http://www.fomos.kr/star2/news_read.html?keyno=113179&db=news
Day 2 + Show Spoiler +oGsMC + Show Spoiler +oGsMC, "I showed the basis of an offensive Protoss." In Dec. 7th, Jang Min-Chul (oGsMC) defeated Season 2's second place winner Lee Jeong-Hoon (MarineKingPrime.WE) by 3:1 and has qualified successfully for the semi-finals. Q. How do you feel now, after winning? A. It feels really great! I made some mistakes in the second match, so I'm a bit worried I might get negative feedback for that. I underestimated the skills of MarineKingPrime.WE, and thus, I was too careless. Q. Do you feel you have properly shown "Pdangdang" (Proud Protoss)? A. 2nd match was the minus point. I could have shown perfect victory, so I feel a little disappointed in that. Other than the second match, I believe I have shown the basis of what it means to be an offensive Protoss. Q. How do you become good vs. Terran? A. Basing on the knowledge of situational awareness and unit movement that I learned during StarCraft 1 Progamer days, if you move around within the view of the opponents, they tend to get scared. After that, it is important to put down appropriate Force Fields to win the battle (laugh). There's no real set method though. In today's matches, I only used a prepared build order in the first match. Q. You won in the first match with a good build. A. I knew what MarineKingPrime.WE was going for. So, I practiced with the build I showed, then came to the match. The opponent knows it's coming, but can't stop it. I used it to cut down his fighting spirit. Q. You said you'll never fall to the Marauder push timing in an interview. You have certainly shown us today. A. I thought the game would be in my favor after stopping Marauder push timing from 9 Barracks 9 Gas, but as expected, the power of the Mules are amazing (laugh). I was surprised after losing. I pondered a lot after losing due to attacking in an unsure way. I sent in the Warp Prism because I thought there would be only 1 Barracks, but there were already 3 of them. I also thought to do a timing push early in the game, but I couldn't make it. Q. You showed forward proxy Gateways in the second match. A. When I watched MarineKingPrime.WE's replays, I found out he plays matches a lot where he doesn't block his ramp. So I did that thinking "Take this!". The outcome didn't really matter to me since I was confident that I would win in the next matches. Q. You showed powerful plays in the last match at the Jungle Basin. A. There's a backdoor rock in that map, and MarineKingPrime.WE was going for no-gas double. Since it appeared he wasn't going for a cheese rush after scouting, I decided to make the push. I can't be patient when the opponent is starting by expanding a lot. I thought the game would end with the first attack, but he blocked it well. However, I still was confident that I would win, although I didn't think the game was in my favor yet. I thought I definitely had it down after building High Templars. Q. Whatever happened to the Zealot ceremony? A. Zealots were already broken (laugh). Not killed, were already broken (laugh). I love the units, so I can't bear to kill them for no reason. Recently, Lim Yo-Hwan (BoxeR) appeared in some show (editor's note: Probably referring to that particular documentary) where he said "E-sports exists because fans exist together with it". I was deeply impacted his speech, so I did my ceremony with the fans. I will continue to think of ceremonies that involves fans. In the semi-finals, a fan with the best cheerful (cheering poster) will receive a StarCraft 2 package, and everyone who brought a cheerful would receive a 1 day free play pass for StarCraft 2. Please come and be part of this (laugh). Q. An Hong-Uk (HongUnPrime.WE) qualified for the semi-finals. A. HongUnPrime.WE definitely plays amazingly. I enjoyed watching his games. I thought that he would make it to the semi-finals. Maybe the finals will be between him and me. I can't yield any further, I am definitely thinking of PvP finals, and if HongUnPrime.WE can block cheese rushes well, he should definitely make it (laugh). Q. Who do you want to challenge in the semi-finals? A. I wish to challenge Jonathan (LiquidJinro). I helped LiquidJinro with fixing up his build a bit before coming to the stadium, and I told him "good luck". Then LiquidJinro told me, "Don't worry, I think I have a good luck". I told him that he should win, so that we may meet in the semi-finals. Q. Anything else? A. Finally I made it to the semi-finals. I want to say thanks first of all, to my mother, whom suffered a lot of stress. Then, I also want to say thanks to Kyu-Hoon hyung, Sang-Ik hyung, Seong-Gon hyung, and the captain, Jeong-Hwan hyung. Also, I practiced for the Ro8 with Yun-Sik hyung, and he played almost like MarineKingPrime.WE, helping me greatly. I will win for sure, so I hope he picks out something that he wants (laugh). I also want to say thanks to Song Jun-Hyuk and Kim Jeong-Kyun for coming to support me at the stadium. Original interview can be found here: http://www.fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=113210&db=interviewLiquidJinro + Show Spoiler +LiquidJinro, "I am always thankful." Hailing from Sweden, Jonathan, also known as "Chamisul Terran" (editor's note: Chamisul is a name brand of an alcoholic beverage made by a Korean company named Jinro), qualified for the semi-finals as the first foreigner to do so in GSL. LiquidJinro defeated Lee Hyung-Seup (choyafOu) by 3:2. While LiquidJinro allowed the game to be tied at 2:2 after smooth plays granting him 2:0 first, he won in the last match by playing it easy into a long match. LiquidJinro will be facing his friend, 'Pdangdang Master' Jang Min-Chul (oGsMC) in a best of 7 match. Q. You made it to the semi-finals. How do you feel? A. I don't know what to say. I'm so ecstatic. I practiced a lot -- playing from 2 PM to 5 AM every day. Since oGs Protoss are so good, I had some stress thinking "Is the opponent also going to play very well?". But, I am still very happy that I won. Q. Wasn't it difficult for you to practice so much? According to Song Jun-Hyuk (oGsInCa), you have been practicing 50 to 60 games a day. A. I am not sure if I played that long, but now that I think about it, I probably have. When I ate meals after practice, I had difficulty eating because my hands were shaking. But it was definitely an worthwhile investment. Q. You tried again and again since Season 1. Now you made it to the semi-finals. You should have something special to say. A. My first goal was to just make it to Ro 64. I never thought that I would make it to the semi-finals. I always focused what's right in front of me. Q. You allowed 2:2 tie to happen after leading comfortably at 2:0. A. I tensed up a little too much when the score became a tie. I have never been nervous in my life like that before. I wasn't even nervous during MLG finals. I wasn't so sure I was going to win in the last match either, because I did not practice a lot on that map. It is very fortunate that I managed to win. Q. Looking back on the final match, what do you think of it? A. I didn't know at all that choyafOu didn't research Thermal Lance upgrade during the match, because there weren't many encounters. But, during the time where I defended my natural expansion, I thought "Huh, why is the Colossus walking towards me?". After the match, I found out that the range upgrade wasn't researched. I feel bad for choyafOu, but I can't help it that I'm happy right now. Q. As a foreigner, you've achieved the very best so far. Do you think this will cause more foreign fans to watch GSL? A. It is a good thing to have someone to cheer for. It was rare to cheer for a foreigner during StarCraft 1 days. But, we foreigners don't see Korean players as "aliens". There are plenty of foreign fans who cheer for the Korean players. Although, I do believe a foreigner playing so well in Korea will certainly be a positive thing. Q. You will be facing your best friend, Jang Min-Chul (oGsMC) in the semi-finals. A. oGsMC is very strong. I think he has the highest chance of winning this GSL. I got a lot of help from him, since he's especially strong in vs. Terran. I think I'll probably have a hard time in the semi-finals. But of course, I will practice hard to win. I don't think I'll feel bad for losing though. When we first saw the brackets, oGsMC told me, "Let's meet at the semi-finals!" (laugh) Q. But if you have come this far, don't you want to be the champion more? A. Of course, I do want to be the champion, but being brutally realistic here, I think oGsMC has far higher chance than me. Q. You gained a lot of Korean fans. Have anything to say to them? A. I couldn't see them very well in the stadium. However, after the match, a lot of them came to me to give me words of encouragement and requesting my signature. I'm very happy, and I'm always thankful. Q. Anything else? A. I want to thank Song Hyun-Duk (oGsHerO), Song Jun-Hyuk (oGsInCa), Kim Tae-Young, Jeong Ji-Hoon, Jang Min-Chul (oGsMC), Lee Sang-Hun, Kim Jeong-Hoon (oGsTOP), and IMyonghwa. Also, I want to say thanks to Kim Seong-Gon coach for helping me whenever possible. I used his ID to play in StarCraft 2, then other players played on that account to hide my win-loss rate (laugh). Also, I want to thank Nazgul from my team, and our sponsor, The Little App Factory. Original interview can be found here: http://www.fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=113225&db=interview
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"TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
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Thanks for the interviews; small translating mistake though as I think in HongUn's interview you mean, blistering sands, not blistering desert .
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I wonder how 2 barracks vs DT rush would end. We will soon see :D
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On December 07 2010 01:03 Rainmaker5 wrote:Thanks for the interviews; small translating mistake though as I think in HongUn's interview you mean, blistering sands, not blistering desert .
Whoops.
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StarTale's Tak Hyun-Seung (sAviOr), wat? is this like fAviOr?
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On December 07 2010 01:06 Mobius wrote:wat? is this like fAviOr?
Yes. He has actually been fairly high up in the Korean ladders for some time.
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i was like :DDDD when i saw sAviOr but went DDDD: when the name doesn't match
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So it's PpungPpung and not Pretty like Junkka said. What does it actually mean? In any case thank you Selith for translating Hope Canucks can chill and come back refreshed after his exams I think?
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
Thanks for your input, GSL semifinal qualifier MisterPuppy.
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thanks for the fast translation
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On December 07 2010 01:22 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you Thanks for your input, GSL semifinal qualifier MisterPuppy. That's not how you apply the godforsaken "let me see you do better" argument but okay, I hope you feel like you burned him good.
It should've been Nestea that won, he clearly was the better player. His play was much more solid whereas Rain's builds were more like "I hope this works."
As for Fruitdealer vs HongUn, HongUn played like Rain did, only Fruitdealer played even worse. Worst day of the GSL.
TSL pretty much ruined Fruitdealer.
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Proxy stargate makes for entertaining games?
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i hope this all-in rushes fade in upcoming gsl tournaments because it is getting boring to watch games like these...
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HongUn's wall-in ruled.
Since Stargate openings are likely to become even more prevalent after the patch, I wonder if we'll see more of that kind of play? In a situation where the Toss player knows if he can get a few Voids/Phoenixes out to kill Queens he'll win the game even if he loses his base, and the Zerg is trying to kill him before that happens, then dumping minerals into a huge wall-in is actually pretty smart.
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While I love it that Protoss made it to the semi-finals, HongUn doesn't have the attitude Genius has.
Other than that minor gripe, I love this guy. He did something breakthrough for Protoss. :D
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While I love it that Protoss made it to the semi-finals, HongUn doesn't have the attitude Genius has.
Not quite like Genius, but MC is *very* confident. His response when asked about Mk was something like, "I don't think he's that good and I win 95% of my PvTs, so I'm not worried."
I would love a HongUn vs MC final so much. Both of those guys are such entertaining players.
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Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won. Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong.
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On December 07 2010 02:11 riverkim09 wrote: Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won. Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong.
Agreed.
So god damn what if someone used "cheese" He did it when he knew it would win. AND he doesnt do it all the time, perfectly fine and nothing to get angry over.
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+ Show Spoiler + Q. You successfully did the Dark Templar strategy in the fifth match. A. It was the last match, and it is the map that favors the Protoss the most -- Blistering Sands. I expected that TSL_FruitDealer will be able to deal with me properly should I play normally. That might cause me to lose, so I chose to bring out the last card first. With that mindset, I went fast Dark Templar.
I must say, the way he worded that and executed it for the final victory is quite brilliant.
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it sucks that there's no zergs left but I'm more angry at the way fruit dealer played. Nestea played amazing but shouldn't have gone hatch first build. But I don't know wtf was going through fruit dealer's mind, playing all those weak-ass all in builds.
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: "TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you so your prediction is that neither player win?
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DT rush was good and not expected, deserved that game. I've no idea what FD was doing that series however, 3 all'ins in a row, he threw that game away, he's probably kicking himself really hard now, one of the best SC2 players currently and he throws away an important game by playing like a fool. Nestea got lucky the first game, he messed up and was lucky Rain also made a huge error allowing him back into the game. Not the best day of games. I can see something being done about 2 rax pressure - all in however, its all too prevalent when a Terran loses, they go straight to that. Which yes it's up to the opponent to hold off, zerg needs to figure something out and soon, blind hatching into it is getting zergs slaughtered by the tonne.
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The losers don't deserve to win after refusing to adapt to the winners' builds. It's as simple as that.
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Jinro plays today. So he didn't win yet.
In a meanwhile, with the loss of two highly favored Zerg players, the Zerg QQ in Korean SC 2 scene is growing in power again. PlayXP's jingjing rank shows Zerg suddenly rising up to 40% and beyond today.
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I think the fake savior is ST_Monster, but don't quote me on that one. Also, koreans going nuts at TSL_Rain for cheesing NesTea out, they're going on TSL's webpage and trolling them hard. and yay me for betting 3:2 TSL_Rain woot!
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On December 07 2010 03:03 CanucksJC wrote: I think the fake savior is ST_Monster, but don't quote me on that one. Also, koreans going nuts at TSL_Rain for cheesing NesTea out, they're going on TSL's webpage and trolling them hard. and yay me for betting 3:2 TSL_Rain woot!
any hope for some translated ones? xD
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god dammit these guys ruined my liquidbet soooo badly
but glad to see all zerg out and a toss made to semi =)
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Jinro in the semis would be amazing, I honestly hope he wins GSL.
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HongunPrime looks like a young Stork.
Thanks for the translation!
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oh joy...Another terran that likes to all-in...Lets hope MarineKing doesnt make it to the semis also...
I hope next GSL season will get better because this all-in cheesy play is getting old
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Did jinro win? You have to wait. He didn't play yet. ^^
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Jinro needs to win to show everyone that Terran doesn't need to all-in.
Is he like the only Terran that doesn't go all-in every game? It's getting very boring to watch for sure.
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Nestea, imho, deserved to lose when he went hatch first in game 5. He had to know what was coming based on the previous games.
Overall, I think it's kind of refreshing - hoping to see at least one protoss in the final (maybe against the first non-korean, hah).
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This is Great that way Jinro does not have to worry about zergs anymore.
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On December 07 2010 03:35 TheOne85 wrote: Jinro needs to win to show everyone that Terran doesn't need to all-in.
Is he like the only Terran that doesn't go all-in every game? It's getting very boring to watch for sure.
Have you seen MarineKing play? His play isn't all-in. He is just very good at controlling bio. Please, do you actually think that these players made it all the way here just by all-in? Is it getting boring to watch? Then don't. Why bore yourself?
Oh and also, these guys aren't playing just for kicks. They are playing with their life and money at stake so don't expect them to play like you want to if they can win easier against players that are clearly unable to react something like "a loser terran all-in." As far as i'm concerned, if you can't react to that, you don't deserve to win the match.
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HongUnPrime.WE: "I will do my best to win, and to show quality matches deserving of someone like TSL_Rain."
deserving of someone like TSL_Rain? Sounds a lot like Countercheese to counter cheese!
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On December 07 2010 04:10 Heimatloser wrote: HongUnPrime.WE: "I will do my best to win, and to show quality matches deserving of someone like TSL_Rain."
deserving of someone like TSL_Rain? Sounds a lot like Countercheese to counter cheese!
???What are you talking about?
Someone deserving of someone like TSL_Rain means deserving of someone who dethroned the reigning champion, which is worth quite a bit BTW.
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Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand.
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On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand.
Yeah that could true. Its like how some people find college football more entertaining than NFL, even though NFL has a much higher skill level.
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On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand.
If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place?
It's probable that if there was an European tournament where rewards are as big as GSL is, the European players would suddenly turn to strategies that can get them the maximum chance of winning.
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Nestea should've won. I think Nestea defense of the 2 rax push today was abysmal. His decision of when to attack was horrible, especially the last game. I suppose the nerves got to him... Don't like the way Rain been playing, but he pulled it off, and deserved his wins. As for FD, i think he lost the mind battle against Hongun. He would've lost the first game too had he not spotted the two proxy stargates (he was going roach warren I believe) . Well done by Hongun.
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HongUn's games certainly were entertaining though.
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On December 07 2010 04:33 AgentV wrote: Nestea should've won. I think Nestea defense of the 2 rax push today was abysmal. His decision of when to attack was horrible, especially the last game. I suppose the nerves got to him... Don't like the way Rain been playing, but he pulled it off, and deserved his wins. As for FD, i think he lost the mind battle against Hongun. He would've lost the first game too had he not spotted the two proxy stargates (he was going roach warren I believe) . Well done by Hongun.
Its so funny how you contradict yourself. Do you read what you wrote before you hit the post button. "Nestea should've won." Followed directly by "I think Nestea defence of the 2 rax push today was abysmal." And later by "Rain...but he pulled it off, and deserves his wins."
LOL
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On December 07 2010 04:27 Selith wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand. If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place?
If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion.
Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them
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On December 07 2010 04:45 Avatar360 wrote:If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion. Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them
Good point.
Truth to be said, TSL_Rain has been getting some flak not because of this incident alone, but his matches so far has been consistently been all-ins or cheese rushes.
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On December 07 2010 04:45 Avatar360 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:27 Selith wrote:On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand. If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place? If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion. Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them
Lol... You have no idea how hard it is to live being a pro-gamer do you? Slayers_boxer and nada can lose all the games they want cuz they make like 250K a year on contracts... They couldn't care less about winning GSL.
Rain doesn't have that. He needs to do what ever he can to win.
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On December 07 2010 04:47 riverkim09 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:45 Avatar360 wrote:On December 07 2010 04:27 Selith wrote:On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand. If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place? If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion. Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them Lol... You have no idea how hard it is to live being a pro-gamer do you? Slayers_boxer and nada can lose all the games they want cuz they make like 250K a year on contracts... They couldn't care less about winning GSL. Rain doesn't have that. He needs to do what ever he can to win.
i dont think nada has a 250k contract now
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On December 07 2010 04:55 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:47 riverkim09 wrote:On December 07 2010 04:45 Avatar360 wrote:On December 07 2010 04:27 Selith wrote:On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand. If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place? If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion. Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them Lol... You have no idea how hard it is to live being a pro-gamer do you? Slayers_boxer and nada can lose all the games they want cuz they make like 250K a year on contracts... They couldn't care less about winning GSL. Rain doesn't have that. He needs to do what ever he can to win. i dont think nada has a 250k contract now
Maybe not with WeMadeFox but he does with somewhere else i heard.
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I love that people are just now realizing that the game of SC2 features extremely subpar defensive options compared to the strength of attacking/timing pushes.
SCV/Marine rushing has nothing to do with Cheese Rushing because it is a scouted, calculated maneuver with a high probability of success. It also gives the Terran the absolute best option to make it to the mid-late game in a strong position, because there is no safer way for him to match a Zerg in a macro sense. Terrans Marine rush because the game favors that style of play and has since release.
This isn't a trend that is going to fix itself, even with racial rebalancing. We're just going to see new flavors of time attacks spring up separated by short phases of "racial dominance" where one relatively overpowered race (like current Zerg) tends to win in an equilibrium (as all top players currently admit that ZvX is zerg-favored in a macro game).
The fact of the matter is that each of the major periods of the game have been dominated by timing attacks, minus the extremely small window the GSL2 where Zerg had received a number of major buffs compared to Terran and other races were still in the process of figuring out the ideal way to handle this and when to strike with X number of forces.
Without stronger defensive options and better entrenches positions (and benefits to entrenching), we are likely to see more and more timing attacks as players get better and better at exposing holes in BOs.
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On December 07 2010 05:03 tedster wrote: I love that people are just now realizing that the game of SC2 features extremely subpar defensive options compared to the strength of attacking/timing pushes.
SCV/Marine rushing has nothing to do with Cheese Rushing because it is a scouted, calculated maneuver with a high probability of success. It also gives the Terran the absolute best option to make it to the mid-late game in a strong position, because there is no safer way for him to match a Zerg in a macro sense. Terrans Marine rush because the game favors that style of play and has since release.
This isn't a trend that is going to fix itself, even with racial rebalancing. We're just going to see new flavors of time attacks spring up separated by short phases of "racial dominance" where one relatively overpowered race (like current Zerg) tends to win in an equilibrium (as all top players currently admit that ZvX is zerg-favored in a macro game).
The fact of the matter is that each of the major periods of the game have been dominated by timing attacks, minus the extremely small window the GSL2 where Zerg had received a number of major buffs compared to Terran and other races were still in the process of figuring out the ideal way to handle this and when to strike with X number of forces.
Without stronger defensive options and better entrenches positions (and benefits to entrenching), we are likely to see more and more timing attacks as players get better and better at exposing holes in BOs.
Correct. Zerg players, stop saying its cheese.
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On December 07 2010 01:33 Dont Panic wrote: Proxy stargate makes for entertaining games? In my eyes, much more than normal macro games from e.g. Idra.
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For everyone worrying about Terran cheese...
Lol you must not remember BW.
Remember when everyone SCREAMED Terran was broken after Flash's bunker rush strategy vs Protoss? Or when the legendary Lim Yo Hwan did the also-LEGENDARY triple bunker rush vs Yellow? At that time, everyone thought it was IMPOSSIBLE to beat... but look at what's happened now. It's so rare we don't even see it anymore, and if it does (*cough Flash cough*) it often fails spectacularly.
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On December 07 2010 01:29 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 01:22 kojinshugi wrote:On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you Thanks for your input, GSL semifinal qualifier MisterPuppy. That's not how you apply the godforsaken "let me see you do better" argument but okay, I hope you feel like you burned him good. It should've been Nestea that won, he clearly was the better player. His play was much more solid whereas Rain's builds were more like "I hope this works." As for Fruitdealer vs HongUn, HongUn played like Rain did, only Fruitdealer played even worse. Worst day of the GSL. TSL pretty much ruined Fruitdealer. So because NesTea can't hold off all-ins, he's clearly the better player? TSL_Rain won fair and square, no doubt.
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On December 07 2010 04:43 riverkim09 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:33 AgentV wrote: Nestea should've won. I think Nestea defense of the 2 rax push today was abysmal. His decision of when to attack was horrible, especially the last game. I suppose the nerves got to him... Don't like the way Rain been playing, but he pulled it off, and deserved his wins. As for FD, i think he lost the mind battle against Hongun. He would've lost the first game too had he not spotted the two proxy stargates (he was going roach warren I believe) . Well done by Hongun. Its so funny how you contradict yourself. Do you read what you wrote before you hit the post button. "Nestea should've won." Followed directly by "I think Nestea defence of the 2 rax push today was abysmal." And later by "Rain...but he pulled it off, and deserves his wins." LOL lol. What i meant was if Nestea was playing with his full potential and confidence, I don't see how Rain's allin could beat him. But Nestea was not playing well. Still, still takes effort from Rain to pull it off, that's what I meant. I hope there's no more contradiction. :D
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On December 07 2010 03:28 facefart wrote: oh joy...Another terran that likes to all-in...Lets hope MarineKing doesnt make it to the semis also...
I hope next GSL season will get better because this all-in cheesy play is getting old
Pretty sure vs LeenockF0u he had long games and went marine medivac, far from all in , its just a very heavy micro based build which he is obviously better than most at doing... His Marine micro is almost unrivaled and no where near all in....
Micro builds don't all = All-in
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On December 07 2010 05:16 AgentV wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:43 riverkim09 wrote:On December 07 2010 04:33 AgentV wrote: Nestea should've won. I think Nestea defense of the 2 rax push today was abysmal. His decision of when to attack was horrible, especially the last game. I suppose the nerves got to him... Don't like the way Rain been playing, but he pulled it off, and deserved his wins. As for FD, i think he lost the mind battle against Hongun. He would've lost the first game too had he not spotted the two proxy stargates (he was going roach warren I believe) . Well done by Hongun. Its so funny how you contradict yourself. Do you read what you wrote before you hit the post button. "Nestea should've won." Followed directly by "I think Nestea defence of the 2 rax push today was abysmal." And later by "Rain...but he pulled it off, and deserves his wins." LOL lol. What i meant was if Nestea was playing with his full potential and confidence, I don't see how Rain's allin could beat him. But Nestea was not playing well. Still, still takes effort from Rain to pull it off, that's what I meant. I hope there's no more contradiction. :D
Oh okay. Now it does. Lol I was confused before the clear-up.
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Thanks for the translations, Selith.
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What is this? Both
+ Show Spoiler +Nestea and Fruitdealer lost? Oh well, at least their winnings will be enough for them for a long time xD.
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I must say, the Terran all-in's in the recent games have been the worst matches and overall GSL "performance" (enteirtanement wise).
Worse yet they make me hate GSL 2 finals which were if nothing else great at the time... but now it kind of blends togheter with the whole of Season 3 GSL where every terran does the same.
GSL 2 was great fun, GSL 3 has been way way to many cheese builds and way to little macro manlyness. Jinro is a huge breath of fresh air though.
Can not blame TSL_Rain for doing what had to be done to win, but christ not even the interviewer can keep him/herself from disliking the way he played. Nestea, you're still Nr1 for me.
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I HOPE HOPE HOPE that HongUn pulls out the carriers against Rain....
Carriers into mothership.... would be sweet!!
Entertain us HongUn.
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On December 07 2010 02:26 Niick wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:11 riverkim09 wrote: Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won. Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong. Agreed. So god damn what if someone used "cheese" He did it when he knew it would win. AND he doesnt do it all the time, perfectly fine and nothing to get angry over.
Absolutely right, Rain didn't cheese/all-in every game. The thing is he didn't win any of the game he didn't cheese in. So really, it makes no difference. Sure he did what he had to do because he wants to win, understandable. Will this make him a fan-favorite like Fruitdealer? No, definitely not.
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I really didn't want to see either of these guys in the finals
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Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good!
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On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote: Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games.
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On December 07 2010 06:36 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote: Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games.
No that is only needed because Zergs keep playing greedy. P or T don't open 15 CC/Nexus against eachother.
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: "TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
Rain has more skill then your brain can handle... TLO is NOT god... Other people are better than him..
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On December 07 2010 06:07 drlame wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:26 Niick wrote:On December 07 2010 02:11 riverkim09 wrote: Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won. Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong. Agreed. So god damn what if someone used "cheese" He did it when he knew it would win. AND he doesnt do it all the time, perfectly fine and nothing to get angry over. Absolutely right, Rain didn't cheese/all-in every game. The thing is he didn't win any of the game he didn't cheese in. So really, it makes no difference. Sure he did what he had to do because he wants to win, understandable. Will this make him a fan-favorite like Fruitdealer? No, definitely not.
Rain didn't cheese. He used a safe and established timing attack against a known Zerg opening. Timing attacks are hilariously strong in this game, get over the "cheese" fallback.
You don't call using an uppercut against a predictable jump-in "cheese" in a fighting game, even though it's a "risky" move that leaves you "open to punishment", because it's known to work against jump-ins most of the time and is therefore a proper response.
If you don't like timing attacks, that's a different story altogether, but unfortunately they are extremely difficult to stop in SC2 with anything other than brute force.
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On December 07 2010 04:47 riverkim09 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 04:45 Avatar360 wrote:On December 07 2010 04:27 Selith wrote:On December 07 2010 04:21 hitman133 wrote: Somehow I think European gamers are much more entertaining than Korean. But well, it's b/c of money I understand. If you have 87k US dollars or 65k Euro on the line if you get the first place, do you really want to take the chance of losing in order to make the match more entertaining, or do you want to do whatever it takes to get to the first place? If you go into a tournament with the mentality like this you will never become a legend, plus you are making a bad name for yourself too. I would rather see a player that shows skill than a player that wins a tournament by cheesing and all in's. SlayerS_BoxeR made more money without winning a GSL, through sponsorship. This is my humble opinion. Go Jinro!!! Jinroll them Lol... You have no idea how hard it is to live being a pro-gamer do you? Slayers_boxer and nada can lose all the games they want cuz they make like 250K a year on contracts... They couldn't care less about winning GSL. Rain doesn't have that. He needs to do what ever he can to win.
riverkim09... i believe you defend too much terran all in. Terran can play macro games too and has many advantages too. It's all about the players, but making 6-8 marines and attack with all the scv's agains a hatchery first zerg... anyone can do it. BTW i liked the last game TSL_Rain won, and he won it fair and square, there was no all in about it, even expanded. All in is a gamble and you can lose quite easy too... tends to be more luck than micro or strategy. The thing is if you win, you lose if you lose you lose at this. I think no one wants to see top tournaments won by all in's. Am I right??
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On December 07 2010 06:40 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:36 hmunkey wrote:On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote: Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games. No that is only needed because Zergs keep playing greedy. P or T don't open 15 CC/Nexus against eachother. This is pretty true. There has to be something to keep players in check. Without this sort of dynamic games would be very boring. It might be kinda shitty to watch for some people but this sort of phases are essential for things to develop, and as a process it will always, always exist.
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At least lets hope some protoss fan boys will enjoy the finals oGsMC fighting !
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On December 07 2010 06:40 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:36 hmunkey wrote:On December 07 2010 06:29 Logros wrote: Mmmm all the Zerg tears taste so good! Yeah, but now we're going to have a boring final with one side all-inning and making for short games. No that is only needed because Zergs keep playing greedy. P or T don't open 15 CC/Nexus against eachother. Bingo.
aggressive > greedy greedy > standard/defense standard/defense > aggressive
zerg has been opting for nothing but 14 hatch openings lately claiming it's their standard, when really it's the greedy opening, that is now being exploited for it's weakness against aggressive builds.
What you are all complaining about is in the same boat as if I said, marine with scv timing attacks are standard terran openings, and if you defend with cannons you're such a cheeser.
It's the appropriate response to a specific style of play.
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"PpungPpungPrime" wins the awesome nick of the year! PPP the bonjwa of 2011!
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Those rush are because terran cant fight vs a zerg with good macro after a fight they both lose their army but zerg can rebuild it in no time also banelings they are so cheap and imba a few of them can melt a big army and then you go mech the mutas comes and gg xD. So yeah thanks to blizzard the only way to have a high chance to beat a zerg is rushing -_-
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On December 07 2010 07:58 Tehotihuacan wrote: Those rush are because terran cant fight vs a zerg with good macro after a fight they both lose their army but zerg can rebuild it in no time also banelings they are so cheap and imba a few of them can melt a big army and then you go mech the mutas comes and gg xD. So yeah thanks to blizzard the only way to have a high chance to beat a zerg is rushing -_-
Well do you think Zerg could have any chance of winning staying 1 base?? hmm? You're over exaggerating things,as you can see in GSL 3 banelings had been so inefficient because of good macro ( look at foxer, MVP, maka etc..) even jinro proved that in his fight against moon and mutas are so ineffective against marine... what are you saying are you in bronze or something? Proper micro will always beat muta banes and if you're smart not to engage in a open area Also the fact that other race can stay 1 base is that they can block ramp and no chance a zerg can break through There are banes bust but its a risky strategy Meh not gonna complain anymore but this is the most annoying GSL ever GSL1 had you standing up and waiting what will happen next
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Stop saying who 'should' have won. It doesn't matter who 'should' have won, it matters who did win. If someone didn't win, it's their own damn fault, don't say that they lost because their opponent cheesed or make other excuses for them. They're not making excuses and they surely don't need you to make them for them.
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I don't see why people complain about anything that isn't macro oriented late game... and then lable it cheese. If it was unfair then everyone past Round of 16 would be BitbyBitPrime type people. "Cheese" is completely stoppable, and all-in's work both ways, if they are defended the game is usually won. By the way going 14 hatch against 2rax is beyond dumb especially for the zerg god Nestea.
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when terran all-in against zerg, and the result is: T yields very high winning chance against FE hatch b4 pool, then as zerg maybe FE hatch b4 pool isn't a good choice anymore
zerg either develop a play that will effectively decrease the effectiveness of terran gamble play or play with current style and take that risk of losing in a bo5 series
that person asking the questions should back-off and rephrase his/her questions in some not-so-offending way with something like this "do you think terran early aggressive all-in might be the best solution against zerg FE hatch b4 pool?"
rain said he only prepared for these aggressive builds, and he had to repeat that so many times the interview might as well just ask 1 question "could you please comment on how you feel about CHEESING your way?"
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On December 07 2010 05:09 superjoppe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 01:33 Dont Panic wrote: Proxy stargate makes for entertaining games? In my eyes, much more than normal macro games from e.g. Idra. I agree, its entertaining when a player takes a risk. Its not like he did it every map either. If anything FruitDealer was more cheesy with his roach rushes while Hongun forge fast expanded.
One thing people are forgetting is that players cant vote down maps this GSL so it makes it more likely you will get rush allins on maps that would normally be voted down by a race for that very reason.
Also I dont remember any surge of sympathy for the "better players" when Rain beat Genius and Squirtle doing the exact same thing. But of course they are protoss and are "bad".
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Hong Un looks a bit malnutritioned
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On December 07 2010 00:58 Selith wrote: I don't feel really like I have won due to all-ins
LOL. Right. It's the only reason he won. Even Artosis and Tasteless were quick to point out that he only won the games he cheesed or did an all-in. What a joke. This semi-finals game will be less than interesting to say the least. What a shame, was looking forward to see more high quality games but I guess there's always Jinro to look to.
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Q. Your simcity defense was like an art in the fourth match. A. I used to do a play like this a lot during the beta. I alone used to do double Nexus, so I am used to being attacked. So, such simcity would happen naturally. This match made me remember the days of the beta.
What a badass - attacking Hongun only succeeds in making him feel nostalgic .
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He's not Genius, but HongUnPrime is gonna have to step his game up represent Brotoss!
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On December 07 2010 01:03 Fa1nT wrote: I wonder how 2 barracks vs DT rush would end. We will soon see :D
Building time for 2 barracks is min 100 seconds, building time for DT is min 300 seconds. How it ends is before the dark shrine even begins construction.
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Clutch win, HongUn. Thank you for helping with my liquibet.
The Rain/Nestea match is still mindboggling to me though.
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I can't believe no one commented yet on how Rain said that he did so much cheese because he had no time to practice. I would have done the exact same thing. He even says that he's going to do more macro in the semis, and that's not something you can lie about and get away with lol.
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On December 07 2010 09:50 Redmark wrote: I can't believe no one commented yet on how Rain said that he did so much cheese because he had no time to practice. I would have done the exact same thing. He even says that he's going to do more macro in the semis, and that's not something you can lie about and get away with lol. The better player overall lost that series, but upsets happen in any competition. Nestea made a huge blunder in game 5 by not sending his drones and zerglings earlier to kill the second bunker and that cost him the game. As much as I can shake my head at Rain doing these all ins I think anyone of us would do them if we thought it was our best chance at winning 87k. If you say otherwise youre probably lying or loaded rich lol
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On December 07 2010 08:30 Aegeis wrote: Hong Un looks a bit malnutritioned
Malnourished*
Hongun ftw, he's so good and entertaining to watch plus he's not an idiot like genius. MC is really awesome too though. I like the protoss representation this far into gsl.
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Lol @ TSL_Rains answers. Haha wow the hypocrisy in his answers makes me laugh + rage at the same time. He says terran cheese is map Dependant and then all ins on shakuras, which has the longest rush distance in the game (cross spawns). lol. Terran needs a Nerf to its all in's, mules and 100% salvage on bunkers, because they have almost no penalty for all ining, bunkers get salvaged and mules allow terrans not to auto loose in all ins.
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I'm so glad I didn't wake up early to see these series. Imagine if every starleague series was 60% cheese and all-ins. (Yes, JD 4-pooled twice in the last finals, I said every series, not just the finals)
Even though I despised Rain's cowardly (he even basically admitted he didn't practice, so resorted to what would give him an easy win because of map reasons) play, Fruitdealer broke my heart even more. FD reminded me of Rain during his matches...except zerg doesn't have super hardcore 1-basing with no consequences. Just a disappointing day in general.
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Whether you want to call aggressive early bio vs Z cheese or not doesn't matter, the fact is it too frequently results in SHORT BORING games. Imagine watching 10 boxing matches where almost all of them are decided in the first punch, you won't even have enough time to get drunk. It's fine if some end that way but most people have limited tolerance for such short games.
Also, 120 seconds to build a carrier?! INCONCEIVABLE!!
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I enjoyed the games anyway. Thanks for the interviews!
Personally I think Tastosis were off their game and that added to some of the "perceived" boredom. There really was a lot of exciting, intense play...
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Short boring games? Dragged out games can be boring too... just waiting and macro and waiting and more macro. SCII is not just about macro games people. It's also about the micro intensive games. All-ins and timing pushes are very micro intensive. Why are you complaining about these players? They do what it takes to win with THEIR PLAYSTYLE. Stop bashing and get with it... I mean, most of you guys aren't even GSL level... why trash talk the players who are? Jinro plays a more macro-oriented style, good for him. Rain's rushing style is great as well.
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On December 07 2010 06:44 tedster wrote:
Rain didn't cheese. He used a safe and established timing attack against a known Zerg opening. Timing attacks are hilariously strong in this game, get over the "cheese" fallback.
You don't call using an uppercut against a predictable jump-in "cheese" in a fighting game, even though it's a "risky" move that leaves you "open to punishment", because it's known to work against jump-ins most of the time and is therefore a proper response.
If you don't like timing attacks, that's a different story altogether, but unfortunately they are extremely difficult to stop in SC2 with anything other than brute force.
"Safe and established"... dude get over the whole Terran need to defend risky and ultimatly boring and/or bad play. It will win you games against the best of the world, take it you are one of them, but it is still not because skill or because it is valid. A good player can do macro games, Rain said it himself he would not be able to face Nestea in a real fight henche he did risky and bad cheese play, "Not risky" my ass: Go check the finals of GSL 2 Game 7. Properly defended the SCV "timing push" is a dead end full of burly men and rape.
Why are people defending his build when he himself (Rain that is) isn't? He is obviously a bit ashamed at his performance and feels the need to justify it. It won him the games, no one can argue that, but it wasn't good overall play. The only reason he can pull it off is because he himself isn't a bad player and Nestea actually being stupid enough to do some mistakes of his own; Nestea was not perfect.
I wish more Random players would speak instead of terran/zerg fanboys.
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HongUn wants to show entertaining games. Rain wants to show macro games. Is it possible that we might get both? I certainly hope so.
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He has no reason to be ashamed, he did a good push and all-in that worked against the GSL2 champion. He should be proud, but he is too modest.
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Haha i think the forums have TSL_Rain as the most hated player of late. This interview at least sheds some light on the reason for his all-in approach.. i personally think fuck it - if your opponent can't hold off an all-in then why wouldn't you try it?
Maybe he will mix it up in the semis - but all the power to him!
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When I was watching HongUnPrime match live I felt much differently about the player than in retrospect. I think HongUn's attitude toward the game and the sport is refreshing and I wish the best for him in his match against TSL_Rain.
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Marine SCV all-ins finally proven to be too strong?
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Why does everyone keep calling a 14/15 hatch "greedy"? Even worse, after they call it greedy, they compare how toss/terran don't always do it - the two aren't comparable. 14 hatch, vs that push, is far superior to 14 pool, it isn't playing "greedy", its literally the -best- thing people have come up with to counter that all-in so far.
That being said, I don't really care about the whole balance aspect of it, Nestea could've microed better, etc, but the games were incredibly dull to watch. Oh hey, he pulled all his scvs, good entertaining 5min game! I understand its what "he had to do to win", but it makes for a shitty series to watch. Also, I think FruitDealer beat himself more than HongUnPrime.WE beat him, his play was definitely not what we've come to expect of him.
Oh well, grats to both winners.
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At least they're no Bitbybit =)
can't wait to see HongUn play =)
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Thank You Selith..You're a wonderful man..
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Not to mention 6pool Fruitdealer "I lose 90% of the time to Terran" lol. This is just how pros roll.
What would you do for $90K?
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14Hatch is greedy, it's a macro build to take you to midgame. It delays zerglings, and in fact it's just a matter of time before more Zerg 10Hatch or 14pool instead. But wait, that won't let me be way way ahead in drones and I might have to scout for once. Okay, sure.
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On December 07 2010 14:04 oprandom wrote: 14Hatch is greedy, it's a macro build to take you to midgame. It delays zerglings, and in fact it's just a matter of time before more Zerg 10Hatch or 14pool instead. But wait, that won't let me be way way ahead in drones and I might have to scout for once. Okay, sure.
You really have no idea what you're saying. 14 hatch lets zerg have the larvae needed to build enough zerglings to possibly defend that attack, if you 14 pool, you will die far easier than a 14 hatch.
Zergs like IdrA and ret have practiced vs terran for awhile, and concluded 14 hatch lets you defend against that specific all in easier.
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Does any body remember when Flash used to cheese every game?
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On December 07 2010 14:11 KeiQQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 14:04 oprandom wrote: 14Hatch is greedy, it's a macro build to take you to midgame. It delays zerglings, and in fact it's just a matter of time before more Zerg 10Hatch or 14pool instead. But wait, that won't let me be way way ahead in drones and I might have to scout for once. Okay, sure. You really have no idea what you're saying. 14 hatch lets zerg have the larvae needed to build enough zerglings to possibly defend that attack, if you 14 pool, you will die far easier than a 14 hatch. Zergs like IdrA and ret have practiced vs terran for awhile, and concluded 14 hatch lets you defend against that specific all in easier.
Easier than, say, a 14 hatch in-base? Or at the top of your ramp?
On December 07 2010 11:54 Krehlmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 06:44 tedster wrote:
Rain didn't cheese. He used a safe and established timing attack against a known Zerg opening. Timing attacks are hilariously strong in this game, get over the "cheese" fallback.
You don't call using an uppercut against a predictable jump-in "cheese" in a fighting game, even though it's a "risky" move that leaves you "open to punishment", because it's known to work against jump-ins most of the time and is therefore a proper response.
If you don't like timing attacks, that's a different story altogether, but unfortunately they are extremely difficult to stop in SC2 with anything other than brute force. "Safe and established"... dude get over the whole Terran need to defend risky and ultimatly boring and/or bad play. It will win you games against the best of the world, take it you are one of them, but it is still not because skill or because it is valid. A good player can do macro games, Rain said it himself he would not be able to face Nestea in a real fight henche he did risky and bad cheese play, "Not risky" my ass: Go check the finals of GSL 2 Game 7. Properly defended the SCV "timing push" is a dead end full of burly men and rape. Why are people defending his build when he himself (Rain that is) isn't? He is obviously a bit ashamed at his performance and feels the need to justify it. It won him the games, no one can argue that, but it wasn't good overall play. The only reason he can pull it off is because he himself isn't a bad player and Nestea actually being stupid enough to do some mistakes of his own; Nestea was not perfect. I wish more Random players would speak instead of terran/zerg fanboys.
You are missing a lot of important points. First off, the timing pushes have gotten more elegant and successful since the GSL 2 and more Terrans are now attacking somewhat more conservatively (3 svc + marines, for example) in an attempt not to instantly overwhelm, but to pressure, equalize the situation, and POTENTIALLY overwhelm - it's like an old-school bunker rush against a zerg expo, where the Terran doesn't necessarily lose if he fails to sack the zerg base entirely and often comes out ahead in the midgame despite trading forces for a while.
Rain of course isn't going to defend the build - he didn't invent it, but knew it was strong in the current meta and he isn't going to go around swearing up and down that he's only going to timing attack for the rest of the tournament because giving his remaining opponents that kind of information is silly.
"Not valid" after beating the top zerg in the world is a completely stupid argument with no supporting evidence.
"Not skill" actually counters your own claim of "not valid". If it's so good that it requires no skill (which is partially what i am arguing - timing attacks are way too good in SC2) then it's definitely valid.
You seem to hate timing attacks and feel they are way too easy, and often near-guaranteed wins - which means they aren't cheese; they are overpowered strategies that prey on the metagame and overall ruleset of SC2 that makes time attacks way too strong. You're basically clumsily arguing the exact same points as I am but reaching different conclusions because you aren't willing to admit the flaw isn't with "dumb players" or "bad strategies that win with no skill" (which makes no sense at all) but is actually with the game currently being too prone to strats like this.
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HongUnPrime: "I will do my best to win, and to show quality matches deserving of someone like TSL_Rain."
Now that's a threat, if I ever saw one!
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On December 07 2010 15:36 Stratchka wrote: HongUnPrime: "I will do my best to win, and to show quality matches deserving of someone like TSL_Rain."
Now that's a threat, if I ever saw one!
I didn't notice that but hongun just became baller status there.
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On December 07 2010 15:36 Stratchka wrote: HongUnPrime: "I will do my best to win, and to show quality matches deserving of someone like TSL_Rain."
Now that's a threat, if I ever saw one!
The way I translated it seemed like he was threatening TSL_Rain, but it's really not.
He just meant to say something like "he's a good player, so I have to do a great match".
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Poor Rain.
I get that people don't like the fact that he beat the better player (I know I don't), but he's playing to win. Anyone who wouldn't do what he did for that amount of money and prestige is simply not a competitive gamer. Constantly attacking him personally is not how to respond to someone's gameplay that you dislike.
Anyway, thanks for the translations.
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Anyone else thinks that maybe there might problems in the tsl team. Rain himself said that there were personal problems and couldn't practice. FD didn't really play to the best of his ability as well.
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HongUn is such a nerd.
Easier than, say, a 14 hatch in-base? Or at the top of your ramp?
you're obviously not a Zerg, or a good one at least.
Anyway cheers for the interview/translation, interesting as always.
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What is up with FD keep going late lair? He sometimes even took 3rd base before lair. Idra would never lose to fast dts.
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On December 07 2010 15:11 tedster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 14:11 KeiQQ wrote:On December 07 2010 14:04 oprandom wrote: 14Hatch is greedy, it's a macro build to take you to midgame. It delays zerglings, and in fact it's just a matter of time before more Zerg 10Hatch or 14pool instead. But wait, that won't let me be way way ahead in drones and I might have to scout for once. Okay, sure. You really have no idea what you're saying. 14 hatch lets zerg have the larvae needed to build enough zerglings to possibly defend that attack, if you 14 pool, you will die far easier than a 14 hatch. Zergs like IdrA and ret have practiced vs terran for awhile, and concluded 14 hatch lets you defend against that specific all in easier. Easier than, say, a 14 hatch in-base? Or at the top of your ramp?
You just vouched for the viability of a one-base zerg. Your argument is thus invalidated.
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Hopefull he will lose in the semi-finals so we can still say protoss is weak:-) IMBA!
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Day 2 being posted
Not sure why I'm even up, I should be sleeping
Will work on Jinro's when it's up. Refreshing like mad.
Sleepy.
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Jinro advanced... I can't explain how exciting I am!!!
Liquid fight fight! Go Go jinro!!
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The chin from sweden did it again!
JINRO!!!!!!!
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JINNNNNNRRRROOOOOOO!!!!!
I was nibbling my finger nails like nuts all night! I've never been so happy to have bloody fingers! Don't give up against MC! Do your best, prove that not only Koreans can compete in Korean tournies!
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if HongUnPrime.WE can block cheese rushes well, he should definitely make it (laugh). LOL Love Iron I really don't want an effing PVP for finals though
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Thanks so much for the quick MC interview. Any chance of a Jinro interview tonight?
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I was deeply impacted his [SlayersBoxer] speech, so I did my ceremony with the fans. I will continue to think of ceremonies that involves fans. In the semi-finals, a fan with the best cheerful (cheering poster) will receive a StarCraft 2 package, and everyone who brought a cheerful would receive a 1 day free play pass for StarCraft 2. Please come and be part of this (laugh).
What a baller - that's such a cool thing to do - really getting involved with the fans!
And of course, he singles Jinro as his opponent of choice for the Semifinals. And I mean, this is one of the guys who Jinro trained with extensively for his games tonight against Choya...this is not gonna be easy for Jinro, but I want him to win. I'm sure those SC2 packages for the fans will still get distributed, even in the event that Jinro wins ^^.
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google chrome translation is pretty amazing. nowhere near as good as a proper translation though, so still waiting
some amazing games today, MC for the first Protoss GSL Champion!
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- Season 1 qualifier since we've been challenged, it now has four in the quarters. Seems to be the tightest special. ▲ to advance to the finals in itself was a primary goal. Four rivers that have never come. Snow was a top priority because the previous game.
lolol
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On December 07 2010 22:36 yarkO wrote:Show nested quote +- Season 1 qualifier since we've been challenged, it now has four in the quarters. Seems to be the tightest special. ▲ to advance to the finals in itself was a primary goal. Four rivers that have never come. Snow was a top priority because the previous game. lolol
Haha those translate things are always so funny.
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I like how people are furiously refreshing and checking if Jinro interview is updated.
Grats to Jinro for proving that the foreigners are definitely up to challenging the "Korean hegemony" in StarCraft 2 scene!
That said, it's up, and I'm going to sleep. I haven't slept since waking up at 7 AM today. Have fun ;0
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On December 07 2010 22:36 yarkO wrote:Show nested quote +- Season 1 qualifier since we've been challenged, it now has four in the quarters. Seems to be the tightest special. ▲ to advance to the finals in itself was a primary goal. Four rivers that have never come. Snow was a top priority because the previous game. lolol
The four rivers thing seems to refer to MC. Might be a good nickname for him...
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On December 07 2010 22:40 Selith wrote: I like how people are furiously refreshing and checking if Jinro interview is updated.
Grats to Jinro for proving that the foreigners are definitely up to challenging the "Korean hegemony" in StarCraft 2 scene!
That said, it's up, and I'm going to sleep. I haven't slept since waking up at 7 AM today. Have fun ;0
Thankyou thankyou thankyou.
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On December 07 2010 22:40 munchmunch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:36 yarkO wrote:- Season 1 qualifier since we've been challenged, it now has four in the quarters. Seems to be the tightest special. ▲ to advance to the finals in itself was a primary goal. Four rivers that have never come. Snow was a top priority because the previous game. lolol The four rivers thing seems to refer to MC. Might be a good nickname for him...
Four rivers = round of four.
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MC just schooled tons of toss that protoss is not UP
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Yay, Jinro interview! Thanks! ^__^
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On December 07 2010 22:40 Selith wrote: I like how people are furiously refreshing and checking if Jinro interview is updated.
Grats to Jinro for proving that the foreigners are definitely up to challenging the "Korean hegemony" in StarCraft 2 scene!
That said, it's up, and I'm going to sleep. I haven't slept since waking up at 7 AM today. Have fun ;0 Thank-a-you!
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On December 07 2010 22:42 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:40 munchmunch wrote:On December 07 2010 22:36 yarkO wrote:- Season 1 qualifier since we've been challenged, it now has four in the quarters. Seems to be the tightest special. ▲ to advance to the finals in itself was a primary goal. Four rivers that have never come. Snow was a top priority because the previous game. lolol The four rivers thing seems to refer to MC. Might be a good nickname for him... Four rivers = round of four.
Ah... that makes more sense. I was confused (in more than one way, I guess) by the following sentence from google translate:
Jonathan is known as the best friend of four rivers 'peudangdang dangju' jangmincheol (oGs) and seven against one another to the best of all four were stripped.
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On December 07 2010 22:40 Selith wrote: I like how people are furiously refreshing and checking if Jinro interview is updated.
Grats to Jinro for proving that the foreigners are definitely up to challenging the "Korean hegemony" in StarCraft 2 scene!
That said, it's up, and I'm going to sleep. I haven't slept since waking up at 7 AM today. Have fun ;0 Thank you so much for the awesome work.
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Wow, the day 2 interviews came up on TL like minutes after the matches, DAMN FAST!!! Thanks a lot
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Really good interviews. Thank you so much Selith.
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On December 07 2010 22:15 DarkRise wrote:Show nested quote +if HongUnPrime.WE can block cheese rushes well, he should definitely make it (laugh). LOL Love Iron I really don't want an effing PVP for finals though
PvP isnt posible, Jinro wil be in the finals!
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Thanks for the interviews. Words fail to describe how awesome iron is.
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Thanks for the translations, great work!
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damn practice with thestc and beating any terran is possible
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JINGROOOO FIGHTINGG you can do it boy dont lose confidence!
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I'm sad that ogsMC and Jinro won't meet in the finals
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One semifinal of awesome and one semi final of fail. -.-v
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Such good interviews from MC and Jinro. Thanks for the translation.
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On December 07 2010 22:40 Selith wrote: I like how people are furiously refreshing and checking if Jinro interview is updated.
Grats to Jinro for proving that the foreigners are definitely up to challenging the "Korean hegemony" in StarCraft 2 scene!
That said, it's up, and I'm going to sleep. I haven't slept since waking up at 7 AM today. Have fun ;0
I confess I was doing that T_T.
Thanks for the interviews! You did a great job!
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: "TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
Semi Finals vs not making it through...not really the same...
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Wow, I'm so proud of Jinro right now! The last match was a nailbiter, got me really worried there after losing the two previous games.
Will definitely catch the semis live. JINRO FIGHTING!!!
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On December 07 2010 23:47 iNfeRnaL wrote: One semifinal of awesome and one semi final of fail. -.-v
On December 07 2010 23:42 vdale wrote:I'm sad that ogsMC and Jinro won't meet in the finals
this
also, thanks for the translations, always a good read
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i was holding my hands up, trying to give Jinro my energy for a dragonballZ spirit ball, and in game 5 i was screaming "DT jinro DT Watchout" and tried to send a telepathic message to him.. and when artosis scream e-bay i started breathing again, man those 5 game were more tiring then 10 hours of playing sc
Keep on Jinroooooling!
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TBH, I think fruitdealer played terrible compared to anything he showed us in GSL season 1 and his match against boxer. It's really disappointing. I think nestea messed up when dealing with that bunker rush and lost the final game.
I donno what you guys think, but I think that the two zergs didn't really prepare against their opponents, whereas the opponents prepared some anti-builds against them. Maybe it's just hard for zergs to prepare specific builds against terran and toss...
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although jinro played very well, he didnt impress me enough with his TvP to convince me he can beat a better toss then choya, especially one that is specialized in PvT AND knows Jinro's play very well.
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On December 07 2010 01:29 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 01:22 kojinshugi wrote:On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you Thanks for your input, GSL semifinal qualifier MisterPuppy. That's not how you apply the godforsaken "let me see you do better" argument but okay, I hope you feel like you burned him good. It should've been Nestea that won, he clearly was the better player. His play was much more solid whereas Rain's builds were more like "I hope this works." As for Fruitdealer vs HongUn, HongUn played like Rain did, only Fruitdealer played even worse. Worst day of the GSL. TSL pretty much ruined Fruitdealer. FruitDealer should've stayed with the oGs guys. Or joined fOu.
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Nice day 2 interviews. Thanks for the trans.
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Cmon TvT finals! Jinro will JINROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Edit: (IF, and it is a big if in my close minded world of foreigner pros, Jinro loses, I want it to be a PvP finals, but of course that won't happen right? RIGHT?!!?? RIGHT?!!!!!!!!!????????????????)
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Hailing from Sweden, Jonathan, also known as "Chamisul Terran" (editor's note: Chamisul is a name brand of an alcoholic beverage made by Jinro), qualified for the semi-finals as the first foreigner to do so in GSL.
Correction: Chamisul is a brand of Soju in Korea...unless that's supposed to be a joke...
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I like jinro but I can't see him beating MC =/
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starting to dislike that weirdo MC. He goes around giving hi-fives to the front row of the audience after he won?
He thinks hes so baller b/c he can beat terran as protoss and he had that stupid grin on his face after basically cheesing the first two matches he won.
protoss is just too damn easymode vs terran and this kid would not last so far in the GSL if SC2 was actually a skill based game instead of the imbalanced POS it is now.
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Although I understand that Jinro is being honest, talking like that, angers me a bit. When in a competition you must have the winner mentality, no matter the obstacles. He reached the semis fair and square, and beating MC is as realistic as it gets. With that attitude though, he is going to loose. Friends or not, go in there like a winner Jinro. Brilliant play today!
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On December 08 2010 03:08 frumpylumps wrote: He thinks hes so baller b/c he can beat terran as protoss and he had that stupid grin on his face after basically cheesing the first two matches he won.
protoss is just too damn easymode vs terran and this kid would not last so far in the GSL if SC2 was actually a skill based game instead of the imbalanced POS it is now.
game on LT was just a pressure play against FE terran with VR game 3 was proxy, cheesy, i give you that game 4 was straight up fight on toss favored map
i don't see anything wrong with these wins, do you? or are you saying tvp in general p is favored?
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On December 08 2010 03:10 Inex wrote: Although I understand that Jinro is being honest, talking like that, angers me a bit. When in a competition you must have the winner mentality, no matter the obstacles. He reached the semis fair and square, and beating MC is as realistic as it gets. With that attitude though, he is going to loose. Friends or not, go in there like a winner Jinro. Brilliant play today!
Could be mind-games on Jinro's part too. He already mentioned he is great friends with MC. No harm in keeping the pressure off yourself like he is saying in that interview, and staying modest like he is.
I have a lot of respect for him, hope he pulls through until the finals! It was a great Ro8 match!
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On December 08 2010 03:10 Inex wrote: Although I understand that Jinro is being honest, talking like that, angers me a bit. When in a competition you must have the winner mentality, no matter the obstacles. He reached the semis fair and square, and beating MC is as realistic as it gets. With that attitude though, he is going to loose. Friends or not, go in there like a winner Jinro. Brilliant play today!
If he went out brave, hammering his chest kind of promising to win, that would hurt him so bad, and make him really nervous. He is very smart, having a modest approach. And seeing how badly MC raped Foxer, its not that hard to believe either.
He knows MC has the best odds to win, he has accepted that. However, this is NOT to say he has accepte defeat, he will do his best, and show his best game.
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Q. Who do you want to challenge in the semi-finals? A. I wish to challenge Jonathan (LiquidJinro). I helped LiquidJinro with fixing up his build a bit before coming to the stadium, and I told him "good luck". Then LiquidJinro told me, "Don't worry, I think I have a good luck". I told him that he should win, so that we may meet in the semi-finals.
I love this line MC and Jinro HWAITING!!~
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starting to dislike that weirdo MC. He goes around giving hi-fives to the front row of the audience after he won?
He thinks hes so baller b/c he can beat terran as protoss and he had that stupid grin on his face after basically cheesing the first two matches he won.
protoss is just too damn easymode vs terran and this kid would not last so far in the GSL if SC2 was actually a skill based game instead of the imbalanced POS it is now.
MC had one match which went to the lategame where people say Toss is favored.
Every other match finished in the early game where Terran have a substantial advantage.
It definitely is not "easymode" for a Toss to beat a Terran that early in several different matches.
What it actually was was smart. MarineKing is the most aggressive player in the GSL. in every match, he's the attacker and his opponents are forced on the defensive. So MC just turned the tables on him, figuring (correctly) that MK would have no clue how to handle being the one on the defensive.
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MC vs Jinro is going to be a great match! I don't know who to root for though, MC is amazing vs T, but Jinro is rock solid, so we'll see how the patient jinro vs the aggressive MC will play out.
Thanks for the translations!!
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Thanks for the interviews and translations. Appreciated, gj jinro and mc!!
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On December 08 2010 02:43 Wolkenritter wrote: Hailing from Sweden, Jonathan, also known as "Chamisul Terran" (editor's note: Chamisul is a name brand of an alcoholic beverage made by Jinro), qualified for the semi-finals as the first foreigner to do so in GSL.
Correction: Chamisul is a brand of Soju in Korea...unless that's supposed to be a joke...
Jinro IS actual name of a company in Korea that makes soju. Chamisul is one of their brands.
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Check out Jinro smiling at MC's celebration. These guys playing in the semi will truly be epic and I doubt either of them will try to cheese each other.
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On December 08 2010 04:22 Selith wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 02:43 Wolkenritter wrote: Hailing from Sweden, Jonathan, also known as "Chamisul Terran" (editor's note: Chamisul is a name brand of an alcoholic beverage made by Jinro), qualified for the semi-finals as the first foreigner to do so in GSL.
Correction: Chamisul is a brand of Soju in Korea...unless that's supposed to be a joke... Jinro IS actual name of a company in Korea that makes soju. Chamisul is one of their brands.
that was confusing, thought for a sec there JINRO actually brewed his own drink, lul, jinro should get more love now :D
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On December 08 2010 04:27 Mintastic wrote:Check out Jinro smiling at MC's celebration. These guys playing in the semi will truly be epic and I doubt either of them will try to cheese each other.
This, to me at least, is where we will see the best play at. Who cares about the finals this semi-finals game is going to be sooo sick!
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holy fucking god Jinro you baller
so awesome
SO AWESOME
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Chuck Norris thought he had the manliest chin ever. Then he met Jinro. Now Chuck Norris teaches ballet.
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I bet the Koreans love Jinro simply because of his name. He's some white dude from Sweden sporting the company of the the most popular soju brand in Korea. It's not "Liquid`Soju" or something like easier for a foreigner to know, but it's freakin' Jinro. How does that not appeal to Koreans who absolutely love drinking.
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Jinro/MC bromance ftw
Gorilla Terran Hwaiting!!1!
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I asked this in the live report thread but didn't get any answer: is oGsHerO the Starcraft 1 pro Hero_V_ ?
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On December 07 2010 02:26 Niick wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:11 riverkim09 wrote: Stop whining about NesTea and Fruitdealer losing. They lost in a fair best of 5. Did rain or Hongun cheat and use hacks? No? then it was a fair match and the better man that day won. Its not the strong who win, its those who win that are strong. Agreed. So god damn what if someone used "cheese" He did it when he knew it would win. AND he doesnt do it all the time, perfectly fine and nothing to get angry over.
To quote someone I played back in BW. I lost to someone who ''cheesy cheesed extra cheese on the cheese'' canon rushed me and I /cryed as his canon were pew pewing on my supply depot. To my whining (note here that wine goes along very well with cheese) he replied ''All strategie are good to win because in in the end all that matters is who played better". I learned alot about that experience as I was washing away those tears.
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So upset to have missed these matches. This is the first GSL I am excited for
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Thanks for updating this to Day 2 interviews.
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On December 08 2010 04:27 Mintastic wrote:Check out Jinro smiling at MC's celebration. These guys playing in the semi will truly be epic and I doubt either of them will try to cheese each other. Damn that's a good picture.
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Or they will cheese the hell outof eatchother because they probably know eatchothers weaknesses so well
but regardless Grats jinro, and it pleases me to see such friendship between youa nd MC
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On December 08 2010 04:57 Hyren wrote:Jinro/MC bromance ftw Gorilla Terran Hwaiting!!1!
More bromance pic:
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On December 08 2010 07:17 teko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 04:57 Hyren wrote:Jinro/MC bromance ftw Gorilla Terran Hwaiting!!1! More bromance pic: LOVE (in the picture)
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Have you (Koreans) look at netizens' replies to Jinro's interview on Fomos? Everyone loves him =D Jinro fighting!!
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Nice job Jinro! Keep on trucking!
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So much bromancin' going on. This GSL has been fantastic.
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On December 08 2010 04:47 LloydRays wrote: Chuck Norris thought he had the manliest chin ever. Then he met Jinro. Now Chuck Norris teaches ballet.
You just made my day. So happy for u Jinro. You truly deserve a place in that semis. OH GOD I wanna see Jinro in the FINALS, thats gonna be awesome. JINRO u can make it to the Finals. Liquid`Jinro FIGHTING ^^
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Oh I see, thanks for the answer.
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On December 08 2010 03:08 frumpylumps wrote: starting to dislike that weirdo MC. He goes around giving hi-fives to the front row of the audience after he won?
He thinks hes so baller b/c he can beat terran as protoss and he had that stupid grin on his face after basically cheesing the first two matches he won.
protoss is just too damn easymode vs terran and this kid would not last so far in the GSL if SC2 was actually a skill based game instead of the imbalanced POS it is now.
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somebody has been on a losing streak vs toss, hahhahahahaha. vent that anger little buddy.
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On December 08 2010 07:21 OpticalShot wrote: Have you (Koreans) look at netizens' replies to Jinro's interview on Fomos? Everyone loves him =D Jinro fighting!!
Can't tell, Google auto trans is horrible, LOL.
But I noticed a few "Chamisul Terran fighting!" messages
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Great games inbetween Jinro and Choya. Amazing to have foreigners in Korea playing as well as they do.
Jinro Fighting ! He should just believe in himself though, he playes fantastic and when his banshees and offensive comes to play he could easily beat any one left in the tournament ! Only other macro player that is even more insane would be Nestea but he got outcheesed so gogo Jinro!
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JINROLLLEDDDDDDD so are jinro and mc gonna practice with each other for their match lol?
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Jinro all the way please! Unfortunately MC is incredible so I guess it'll be really though, i'll be cheering none the less :-)!
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: "TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you hung un got to ro4. he used dts in ro8 and carriers in ro16. tlo....made a sandwich ....with ketchup.
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On December 07 2010 19:02 positron. wrote: What is up with FD keep going late lair? He sometimes even took 3rd base before lair. Idra would never lose to fast dts. which is why idra keeps winning gsl
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But, during the time where I defended my natural expansion, I thought "Huh, why is the Colossus walking towards me?".
lmao
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On December 08 2010 11:10 iwantsushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 19:02 positron. wrote: What is up with FD keep going late lair? He sometimes even took 3rd base before lair. Idra would never lose to fast dts. which is why idra keeps winning gsl
+1 cant wait for jinro vs mc! i hope they pull out something creative, especially jinro as he knows that statistically he has a lower chance of winning, so why not go out guns blazing?
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: "TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
Probably not, but I always love to watch Hong Un plays, and also other Prime members plays eventually. They seems to have wide range of unique styles. Check with his macro style Zerg, MarineKing with incredible unit control (micro), Maka with lenient macro Terran, BitByBit with all in Terran (lol).
I like Maka and Hong Un the most, it seems that they really enjoy their games, and I love that attitude. Other than those two guys, I also like Choya, he's always smiling when playing, although his style is much more standards compare to HongUn.
As a protoss player myself, I also like OGSMc, his protoss agressive style is entertaining, and IMO that's the way you should play protoss.
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Woot! It would be so epic if a foreigner won the GSL! I'm so stoked
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On December 07 2010 01:00 MisterPuppy wrote: "TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
yeah sure
HongUnPrime.WE, "My goal is to show entertaining games rather than winning."
doesn't work for TLO, probably won't work for you
wait what? this guys in the semi's TLO didn't get that far :D
And Jinro, just come up with some EPIC builds, I'm sure nazgul has some tricks up his sleeve (hey he beat idra right?)
Anyway winner of oGsMC / Jinro goes on to win the whole thing anyway. TSL_Rain has looked weak and hongun will destroy him.
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Damnit, I think I'm gonna have to root for the foreigner rather than the Protoss hero. Either way, we'll have the first foreigner or the first toss in the finals :D
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"TSL_Rain, "I will show macro-oriented plays in semi-finals.""
Playing mind games are we? lol
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cmon jinro! hongun went carriers, go thors and battlecruisers! show em whos boss!
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cant blame rain to cheese after all, just rewatched nestea vs maka and since maka couldnt beat nestea in "honest" matches there was no chance that rain could it.
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On December 08 2010 07:21 OpticalShot wrote: Have you (Koreans) look at netizens' replies to Jinro's interview on Fomos? Everyone loves him =D Jinro fighting!! Wow... haha yeah they seriously love Jinro, I never knew they'd be so supportive! I think it's because Jinro is so manner and friendly, and plus he's so humble, that Koreans love him. Quoting one netizen... he's so lovable compared to that damn "Greg Fields" guy lollllllll
But I think this MC vs Jinro match is going to be tense. Though Koreans love Jinro now, even after beating Moon, if he beats MC, some people are going to be very annoyed because everyone considers MC to be much better. Some people on different threads are saying how if Jinro beats MC then SC2 is a joke... but then again, there are ALWAYS haters.
JINRO HWAITING!!!!!!!!!!!
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On December 08 2010 07:21 OpticalShot wrote: Have you (Koreans) look at netizens' replies to Jinro's interview on Fomos? Everyone loves him =D Jinro fighting!! + Show Spoiler +Usual disclaimer that I'm not native or even fluent in Korean etc. etc. Corrections more than welcome. A lot of the netizens use the korean word 호감 which literally means 'good feeling' and its a word you use to describe someone who is a 'nice guy' / 'well-mannered' person. Its a great compliment.
A few of the comments on Jinro:
"This player is such a nice guy "
"Jinro. I LOVE YOUUU"
"Fuck me. Finally - a foreigner comes that does well in Korea's esports scene. lololol. He plays better than Koreans looool"
"I think there will be more and more players like him..."
"JINRO YOU FUCK, WELL DONE LOL REALLY WELL PLD"
"Ah wtf, the more I see this guy, the more I like him. :/ I'll always support him! CHAMISEUL TERRAN FIGHTING!" (as discussed above, chamiseul is a name of a type of soju made by Jinro, the Korean spirits company.)
"Chamiseul Terran fighting!!!"
"Beat oGsMC and head to the finals, gogogogo!"
(?) "Ah.. Koreans need to learn how to support and promote their players from these foreigners..." (?)
"Chamiseul Terran fighting!!!"
"To be realistic... oGsMC is going to overwhelm him.. Jinro's really good but oGsMC is even better. Foreign players really need to get to the finals one time but they won't win. oGsMC is too good and will have the clear advantage against Jinro"
"Jinro is such as nice guy! +_+ I hope you play well against oGsMC!!"
"Ah...it's going to be hard but practice like you are doing now! The fact that a foreigner has reached the semi-finals is amazing already"
"If more foreigners played, we would have a proper GSL"
"FUCKING NICE GUY"
"Win the tournament plz. I supported protoss but suddenly I find myself supporting Jinro... :/"
So basically, when people say "Koreans hate foreigner X because he's too good" it's complete bullshit. They will hate you if you're a dick and love you if you're a FUCKING NICE GUY.
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thanks for the translations... basically... "he is a FUCKING nice guy" <- (wow dude wer all so cool n shit, but this foreign bitch is totally fucking rapage! fucking nice, we koreans are good but this jinro dude he is good AND MANNERED/NICE!!) you see that attitude? that's a lot of LOVE the next thing though, just watch... rumors will begin... jinro is actually... a korean... LOL inside joke, my bad
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+ Show Spoiler +Jinro in the semis, wow. I'm really thrilled about that, quite happy for the guy. CONGRATZ JINRO, keep it up! :D
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It's early in the life cycle of SC2, and we are up to the "Greed Vs All-In" era, just as we moved on from the "Cheese" era, which in turn came from the "Primitive strats since the game isn't well understood".
This will in turn evolve into the "Stable Strategies" era that took Brood War 6 years to get to, except SC2 is going to do it in 6 months.
Stop whinging people and enjoy the ride.
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