EPTEdit: Well nevermind then, they end up saying nothing we haven't heard before, except the college part, which isn't really a thing, they are "Looking into it". Blizzard's position is still the reasonable one to me. Thanks Milkis
KeSPA's response to Paul Sam's statements - Page 2
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
Edit: Well nevermind then, they end up saying nothing we haven't heard before, except the college part, which isn't really a thing, they are "Looking into it". Blizzard's position is still the reasonable one to me. Thanks Milkis | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:02 Zozo wrote: We'll see when milkis is done translating, but Sam's visit to Korea should trigger Kespa to allow players to switch games at will... Or they could just ignore him and go on being who they are. They've always been allowed to do that, officially, anyway. There were a few articles i've read regarding some threats but that was from the progame teams themselves and i have no idea if they went through with it. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
Well, hopefully this will bring things closer to negotiations because at least OGN/MBC and the Teams does not deserve all of this regardless of what we think of Kespa and Gretech. I still don't buy their Nada's record excuse though. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
I still don't buy their Nada's record excuse though. What excuse? Most of the extreme rumors started off from pgr21 which goes batshit insane over the tiniest things KeSPA does. They were like "oh okay" later after they found out more about it :O | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
and of course, thank you milkis! | ||
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:07 Milkis wrote: They've always been allowed to do that, officially, anyway. There were a few articles i've read regarding some threats but that was from the progame teams themselves and i have no idea if they went through with it. Well, I didn't know about that, it always felt like the player had to retire to go after new games, which kinda makes it look like he's no longer a pro. nvm what i said then. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:09 BLinD-RawR wrote: I like this interview and KeSPA did not flame paul sams at all(shocking really).I wonder why Gretech went back on their deal?....no don't give me crap like "They want to kill BW hurr durr",Sane explainations are helpful.) I think i'm being perfectly rational when i do believe they want to kill proBW. On December 03 2010 18:13 Zozo wrote: Well, I didn't know about that, it always felt like the player had to retire to go after new games, which kinda makes it look like he's no longer a pro. nvm what i said then. I don't want to work at the supermarket anymore so i go get a job at the department store...naturally the supermarket decides they don't want to continue paying me.. =S | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:13 Zozo wrote: Well, I didn't know about that, it always felt like the player had to retire to go after new games, which kinda makes it look like he's no longer a pro. nvm what i said then. Most of the former MBC players who moved to SC2 are still registered with Kespa so its up to the individual player/team really whether they want to retire. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
I was hoping for a Kespa response | ||
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Tirr
Russian Federation122 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:07 Milkis wrote: They've always been allowed to do that, officially, anyway. There were a few articles i've read regarding some threats but that was from the progame teams themselves and i have no idea if they went through with it. Really? As far as I know, they are disallowed to play SC2 by their contract, even in their's free time and non-competitively | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 03 2010 16:53 Milkis wrote: ▶ The extreme amount requested by Gretech will put the eSports market under trial. While Blizzard has mentioned that KeSPA had made 1.7 billion won in the three years KeSPA had run a licensing business, and that the amount Gretech requested is only 1/5th of the amount taken in by KeSPA, but in reality, the amount requested by the Gretech amounts to 700 million won a year minimum if you combine the Proleague and both Individual Leagues. This amounts to far more than 2 billion won even through a simple calculation. Furthermore, because Gretech continues to push for year long contracts, we don't know how much they will charge for extending the contract after the first year. This is what I've been saying too. Not sure how Sams calculated his numbers. On December 03 2010 16:53 Milkis wrote: Blizzard has commented that KeSPA and the Progame teams restrict the freedom of the players, and that Blizzard would renovate this system by raising eSports and the players in the proper way. But, KeSPA and the Progame teams do not restrict the freedoms of the players themselves. Every player enters the Progame team only after plenty of negotiations with a contract that is unique to the player, and the player himself has complete freedom to choose where he wants to go. The Progame team provides the player with a moderate salary that follows from their contract and a stable environment where they can practice. I don't see a problem with this either. Yes, the contracts are strict in how and what the player does with his time, but thats because the player is contracted to commit to practice bw. A player that wants to spend a few months to practice SC2 for example can do so, but not while he is getting housed and paid to be a full-time bw player. Sams wants the players to be able to do what they want to, but still expects their teams to support them financially regardless. As for the NaDa incident, I believe it wasn't malicious simply because I don't think KeSPA would have been that stupid with regards to the PR hit. That aside, Sams also accused e-sports under KeSPA as being responsible for the match fixing scandal, which is pretty outrageous. That scandal happened due to a few greedy individuals betraying their teams and fellow players and coaches, and wouldn't have been any different with another organization at the helm. I also think the 'entry fee' thing is pretty absurd, being a recurring fee on a per-contract basis, with a year in length. Blizzard claims it exists to uphold IP rights (gee they are using that as a reasoning for everything these days), yet it is just a fee that gets attached on top of the already existing operating costs. It is said to be a fee to make sure that the content is professional, though with less money to spend on production, it certainly won't improve. Haven't years of airing MSL,OSL and SPL showed that the level of production has been worthy? either way, charging a fee won't change that. Whether or not Blizzard intends to pocket that cash or give it to the homeless, at the end its still money that is being taken out of the BW esports market and going elsewhere, thus burdening the already delicate financial balance in play. Thanks again for translating Milkis <3. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:20 Tirr wrote: Really? As far as I know, they are disallowed to play SC2 by their contract, even in their's free time and non-competitively Well you're quite wrong considering many teams actually have computers with SC2 in progaming houses so many players could try playing sc2 and stuff :| not sure where these rumors start really :O | ||
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:14 ShadeR wrote: I don't want to work at the supermarket anymore so i go get a job at the department store...naturally the supermarket decides they don't want to continue paying me.. =S That is not what I meant, if I decided to check back after a long time away on my favorite player (let's say nada) and went to Kespa looking for info they wouldn't tell me: "He's now playing starcraft 2", I would get "He's now retired from broodwar". Doesn't matter though, I had the wrong idea to begin with. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:14 ShadeR wrote: I think i'm being perfectly rational when i do believe they want to kill proBW. Easier ways to go about this- starting with a patch that kills BW a couple months after release, stop selling the game in stores, shut down iCCup and close Battlenet 1.0. Given the lack of these much easier and less expensive methods, I'd be hesitant to think that they're hoping to to kill off BW. Thanks so much Milkis for translating this stuff. So good to read. | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
Kespa: "Fuck that!, we worked our asses off for 10 years you can't just take it all away, we know its your game but we can hold tournies and broadcast for eSports fans in our own country" -_- I'm crazy | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:26 Falling wrote: Easier ways to go about this- starting with a patch that kills BW a couple months aftere release, stop selling the game in stores, shut down iCCup and close Battlenet 1.0. Given the lack of these much easier and less expensive methods, I'd be hesitant to think that they're hoping to to kill off BW. Not really. Not if you are trying to kill of your product gently (without painting yourself as the bad-guy). I don't think they want to kill BW either, though they certainly want power over KeSPA. Having BW out of the way benefits SC2 quite a bit, but having complete power over BW in korea means you can move BW off primetime to free slots for SC2 (which they initially demanded in negotations with the stations), and then after that as long as BW can continue to prop itself up I don't think they care either way. SC2 sales generate money, BW sales are more or less stagnant at this point. WIth SC2 having 2 expansions planned for the next few years, you can expect Blizzard to want to keep people interested until then. If BW ends up dying as a result of bad negotiations and court disputes, Blizzard can continue their PR and claim they are innocent and they wanted eSports to grow, but KeSPA didn't want to listen. | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
I am very skeptical of KeSPA's claims that they don't have any money to spare. At the same time I think Blizzard already knows that KeSPA/MBC etc have the ability to produce high quality broadcasts. This is basically a pissing contest between these two companies and as far as the law is concerned, Blizzard is in the right. | ||
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