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KeSPA's response to Paul Sam's statements - Page 3

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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
December 03 2010 09:42 GMT
#41
All this PR propaganda from Blizzard and KeSPA is starting to become boring really fast.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
December 03 2010 09:49 GMT
#42
thanks translating all of this :3
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 10:04:16
December 03 2010 09:52 GMT
#43
On December 03 2010 18:33 Zim23 wrote:
This is pretty interesting. KeSPA states that they recognize Blizzard's IP rights, but they also don't want to do any of the things that go along with that. It's like saying you'll take out the trash, but never actually doing it. Blizzard being unreasonable with their requests is a separate issue, and that's what negotiations are for. The issue is if you claim to respect Blizzard's IP rights then you are NOT allowed to make money from their product without a license. What Blizzard asks for is a whole other argument, the legal argument here is whether or not Blizzard has the RIGHT to ask for anything, and legally Blizzard most certainly does.

Please. KeSPA recognizing Blizzards IP rights is one thing. Blizzard wanting complete copyright of broadcasts + renegotiation of contract terms every year is another, though Blizzard is doing their HARDEST to equate one with the other.

* IP rights: Every license needs a clause acknowledging Blizzard for creating the game and for the ownership of the IP.
* Approval: Whenever you use the Intellectual Property rights, you need approval from Blizzard and Gretech
source

Ownership might be 50:50, but Blizzard has final say about everything. KeSPA has been doing a fine job for the last 10 years and now having to run everything through Blizzard just shows how arrogant Blizzard really is.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 03 2010 10:14 GMT
#44
thanks for translating

kespa is basically saying "we don't actually make money so the amount you're asking for is unreasonable" which seems likely to be true

this on the other hand
▶ KeSPA and the Progame teams are doing their best to guarantee the rights of the players.

is pretty lolworthy
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cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 10:27:24
December 03 2010 10:16 GMT
#45
Finally, the translation is up, thanks again, Milkis! Kespa's position is so much clearer to me now. Both Blizzard and Kespa may be waxing lyrical about their own positions, but Kespa, no matter their faults, has a very good reason for not seeing the negotiations through entirely.

Personally, I would normally not take any sides at all but rather only support MBC and OGN to get out of this whole mess but now Blizzard is just bullying the BW proscene into submission. And that is not a nice thing. Thus, I as a fan do not appreciate that at all so bring it on (edit: with your Kim & Chang lawyers)! =3
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
December 03 2010 10:18 GMT
#46
Nice, well balanced response from KeSPA.
Still don't know to who root for in this tug of war.

But...
"License fee to have a high quality eSports broadcast"
How the hell Gretech (GOM) still have the rights? Remember few days before Pre-Season 1 GSL that there will be no free streams outside of korea and a separate package for vods and stream. Also a official post in TL from GOM about that issue that they run in the red and had to cash in on western viewers?
Heck OSL/proleague was way better (as a broadcast - not commenting the matches) at the time and they say now that they want quality assurance by fees..
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 03 2010 10:25 GMT
#47
That was a pretty good response by Kespa.
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epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
December 03 2010 10:25 GMT
#48
I don't like how Blizzard is handling this, but anyone who followed the Jaedong "free agent" saga knows that anything Kespa says about players' rights is just for PR.
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
December 03 2010 10:53 GMT
#49
KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that grows and supports the eSports industry, but in order to create a stable environment for eSports and to promote eSports within Korea, KeSPA is allowed to pursue businesses that generate revenue.


So KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that is allowed to make a profit. ok.
Huh...
ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
December 03 2010 10:58 GMT
#50
On December 03 2010 19:53 Minzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that grows and supports the eSports industry, but in order to create a stable environment for eSports and to promote eSports within Korea, KeSPA is allowed to pursue businesses that generate revenue.


So KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that is allowed to make a profit. ok.



revenue =/= profit
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 03 2010 10:59 GMT
#51
On December 03 2010 19:53 Minzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that grows and supports the eSports industry, but in order to create a stable environment for eSports and to promote eSports within Korea, KeSPA is allowed to pursue businesses that generate revenue.


So KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that is allowed to make a profit. ok.

A non-profit organization (abbreviated as NPO, also known as a not-for-profit organization) is an organization that does not distribute its surplus funds to owners or shareholders, but instead uses them to help pursue its goals.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
December 03 2010 11:05 GMT
#52
On December 03 2010 19:53 Minzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that grows and supports the eSports industry, but in order to create a stable environment for eSports and to promote eSports within Korea, KeSPA is allowed to pursue businesses that generate revenue.


So KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that is allowed to make a profit. ok.


jesus not this again ..

get your facts straight ..
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Gautz
Profile Joined May 2010
192 Posts
December 03 2010 11:09 GMT
#53
On December 03 2010 19:58 ThePurist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 19:53 Minzy wrote:
KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that grows and supports the eSports industry, but in order to create a stable environment for eSports and to promote eSports within Korea, KeSPA is allowed to pursue businesses that generate revenue.


So KeSPA is a nonprofit organization that is allowed to make a profit. ok.



revenue =/= profit


nope, (((in this case) positive)!) revenue in comparison to total outlay = profit.
lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
December 03 2010 11:11 GMT
#54
i agree with kespa, thow i know they have their issues , but those are not so big as blizzard problems
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
December 03 2010 11:15 GMT
#55
NaDa's records got deleted for a few hours on KeSPA's site. KeSPA has said it was a computer error


AHAHAHAHHAHAHA, that's so good, made me laugh
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
December 03 2010 11:23 GMT
#56
On December 03 2010 20:15 Geo.Rion wrote:
NaDa's records got deleted for a few hours on KeSPA's site. KeSPA has said it was a computer error


AHAHAHAHHAHAHA, that's so good, made me laugh

It happens on government servers as well when someone's state is altered, only to be reinstated. In notars offices in Estonia, at least.

Also, it seems pretty weird that Nada was the only one, and only for a few hours. You'd think MVP, July and Boxer would have received the same treatment.
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Lyw9475
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada81 Posts
December 03 2010 11:25 GMT
#57
new usage of corruptor with corruption
very interesting
gj july
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cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 11:29:26
December 03 2010 11:28 GMT
#58
On December 03 2010 20:23 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 20:15 Geo.Rion wrote:
NaDa's records got deleted for a few hours on KeSPA's site. KeSPA has said it was a computer error


AHAHAHAHHAHAHA, that's so good, made me laugh

It happens on government servers as well when someone's state is altered, only to be reinstated. In notars offices in Estonia, at least.

Also, it seems pretty weird that Nada was the only one, and only for a few hours. You'd think MVP, July and Boxer would have received the same treatment.


Exactly. And yet this "error" was outblown to nauseous proportions by the media who made it look like it was an intentional deletion by Kespa. So much for facts being distorted... ^^

EDIT: The above poster... wrong thread.
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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 03 2010 11:30 GMT
#59
On December 03 2010 16:53 Milkis wrote:

In order to develop Korea's eSports market, over the last 10 years the Progame teams invested billions of won every year. The government, civilian organization, and KeSPA has also continued to put in many costs and effort to expand the base of eSports in Korea and to enhance the status of Esports internationally.

Thus, Blizzard's argument about "License fee to have a high quality eSports broadcast" is a statement that ostracizes the broadcasting companies, the progame teams, KeSPA, the government, and all other involved organizations, while ignoring the efforts and accomplishments of these organizations in the past 10 years, and we express extreme disappointment regarding this statement.



The government is in Kespa's side, Blizzard should GG right now or sign a peace treaty. Fighting government is the most pointless thing to do as a game company.
Khassar de Templari
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 03 2010 12:03 GMT
#60
Like what I stated in paul sams thread I rest my case <3 Kespa .... and never mind go go go proleague ^^.
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