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Anyone else slightly annoyed by this interview style?
e.g. You didn't accomplish a whole lot in sc1.
I mean he just says shit and hopes the guy replies? How hard is it to ask a question?
/rant
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Slayer vs nestea is boring. foxer vs intotheraindow is awesome I feel like foxer gonna win GSL 2.
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On November 06 2010 00:38 whomybuddy wrote:
Slayer vs nestea is boring. foxer vs intotheraindow is awesome I feel like foxer gonna win GSL 2.
both semi-finals were equally boring. here's to hoping for a good final.
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On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1.
No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful.
I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2.
Just my $0.02.
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On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02.
You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are.
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No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful.
MVP wasn't anything but the punching bag of Proleague, I don't even think he won more than two games. He was the idol of the Woongjin Terran lineup, that is probably the worst terran lineup of any team, even Airforce ACE.
MVP pretty much got on that Power Rank for taking a game off Flash, who is the guy who has currently played 6 consecutive finals in a row. I don't think I need to tell you that the next three games were basically seeing a grown man bash up a little child. Basically what I mean is don't take the power rank seriously (too many people do).
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On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are.
I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier.
On November 06 2010 00:49 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. MVP wasn't anything but the punching bag of Proleague, I don't even think he won more than two games. He was the idol of the Woongjin Terran lineup, that is probably the worst terran lineup of any team, even Airforce ACE. MVP pretty much got on that Power Rank for taking a game off Flash, who is the guy who has currently played 6 consecutive finals in a row. I don't think I need to tell you that the next three games were basically seeing a grown man bash up a little child.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP/games
50% winrate in all his televised matches is considered quite decent, especially when you take a look at some of the players that he beat.
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On November 06 2010 00:37 Antipod wrote:
Anyone else slightly annoyed by this interview style?
e.g. You didn't accomplish a whole lot in sc1.
I mean he just says shit and hopes the guy replies? How hard is it to ask a question?
/rant
I'm pretty sure fomos rewrites the interview after they do them, which is why you sometimes get weird non-questions, and answers that don't seem to be directed at specific questions. That's how they do it with BW interviews at least.
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On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier.
there's a difference between A-class and A-team
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But if Flash decided to play BW for another 5 years, then he might not play SC2.
Then I will always wonder, but never know, how his SC2 skill level difference from other SC2 players right now.
Oh dear...
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I really like ZBo - he didn't do any stupid stuff like make roaches dance, Genius finger, whatever...just played really carefully and smartly against Boxer, who seemed to be playing really "tight" - trying too hard
if Kyrix can take Foxer to the brink with his monomaniacal style, I think Bong has a good chance, especially now that both guys have a week to practice.
I wonder who they'll practice against, cuz Bong can ask any of his practice partners to mass marines while Foxer needs to find a really balanced and smart Zerg to practice against - maybe he'll get help from the Zs that got taken out like TheWind and Zenio
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On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team
Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team
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On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:49 Womwomwom wrote:No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. MVP wasn't anything but the punching bag of Proleague, I don't even think he won more than two games. He was the idol of the Woongjin Terran lineup, that is probably the worst terran lineup of any team, even Airforce ACE. MVP pretty much got on that Power Rank for taking a game off Flash, who is the guy who has currently played 6 consecutive finals in a row. I don't think I need to tell you that the next three games were basically seeing a grown man bash up a little child. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP/games50% winrate in all his televised matches is considered quite decent, especially when you take a look at some of the players that he beat.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=590&part=games&vs=all&league=all_but_offline&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=4&from_day=13&to_year=2010&to_month=8&to_day=16&action=Update#tblt-2310-2-1-DESC
Take out offline events and he's only got a 41% win rate. Funnily enough, he's most successful against Stork (considering Stork being inconsistent all the damn time, this shouldn't be too surprising I guess).
Basically MVP had some really massive streak in the Hana Daetoo MSL where he beat Stork, Best, Baby, and Flash (and Jangbi in PL) which gives him that nice win streak statistic. Outside of that short period, the stats suggest he's a weak player and watching him play will confirm the general the consensus that he's got like 500 APM but no brains to use it right.
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Really disappointed with the result of this matchup. Would've been so good for SC2 and esports to see boxer reach the finals of his first GSL, even if he lost. How epic would it have been to see him on the grand stage at the stadium with confetti flying while he is raised to the gaming platform on the elevator.
Goddamnit nestea, why would you do this.
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On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team
S-class= Flash, Jaedong
A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc
then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers
B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light,
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On November 06 2010 01:00 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light,
How can light be B team? He went so high in Starleague last season and win some rounds vs Jaedong
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On November 06 2010 01:04 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 01:00 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light, How can light be B team? He went so high in Starleague last season and win some rounds vs Jaedong
I was just trying to prove a point  .
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On November 06 2010 01:00 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote:On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote:On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote:On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote:
StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light,
You just made up these rankings arbitrarily dude... most people consider Bisu and probably Stork S-class as well.
Light and by.hero are easily A-class I dunno what you're talking about. Mind was sick for about a year or two before kinda dropping off a bit, but he's still okay. I would still consider him A-class because he's a regular in WeMade matches. IMO, anyone who is likely to get sent out on in any given PL match is considered A-class (and that includes Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho while they were still active).
S-Class = Won multiple individual leagues, team ace
A-class = A PL regular for their team
B-class = Rarely ever gets sent out, except maybe to snipe (e.g. bbyong and Canata from SKT, Tempest from KT, etc)
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he actually looks like a stonerzerg in that picture
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On November 05 2010 21:20 zerious wrote:
first bonjwa
gogo Team IM
what... please don't say words if you don't understand them
Even if nestea 4-0's foxer he wouldn't be considered a bonjwa
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