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KeSPA-Gretech negotiations fail; Lawsuits next - Page 3

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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
October 28 2010 00:43 GMT
#41
Totally support Blizzard and Gretech on this. IP rights are IP rights. Kespa and broadcasting station are lucky to have milked the BW cash cow for over 10 years.
Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
October 28 2010 00:56 GMT
#42
MBC and Kespa fighting. Really hope that the greed of Activision Blizzard does not destroy the work of a generation.
DoctorHelvetica <3
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
October 28 2010 01:03 GMT
#43
They should hire a korean video game company to clone SC1. Like DOTA and HON. It won't be illegal if they jsut copy the mechanics.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 01:09:50
October 28 2010 01:04 GMT
#44
I don't think KeSPA will die if Blizzard wins. If anything they'll be forced to listen to Blizzard's terms and seeing as sponsors still view BW as profitable I see no reason for them to outright stop. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that the organization does have a good reason to exist, it just needs to be watched over a little more.
Here's to hoping whichever way the ruling falls, that it falls quickly so leagues can continue.

On October 28 2010 10:03 nihoh wrote:
They should hire a korean video game company to clone SC1. Like DOTA and HON. It won't be illegal if they jsut copy the mechanics.

Atrox failed hard.
Taengoo ♥
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
October 28 2010 01:07 GMT
#45
And we danced, on the brink of an unknown future, to an echo from a vanished past.

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Prophecy3
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada223 Posts
October 28 2010 01:09 GMT
#46
Where's the IP rights of the Pros exactly? It's THEIR skill that allowed Blizzard to even talk about eSports. When all is said and done, it will probably be the players and the fans who lose out most. As usual.
Ignorance is Bliss? Indifferance is Atrocity.
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
October 28 2010 01:12 GMT
#47
Why didn't Blizzard act on this 10 years ago? heh, go KeSPA, i'm sick of Blizzard's greed.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
October 28 2010 01:18 GMT
#48
Poll: Who do you think will win the case?

Blizz (66)
 
57%

MBC (49)
 
43%

115 total votes

Your vote: Who do you think will win the case?

(Vote): Blizz
(Vote): MBC

A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 01:28:23
October 28 2010 01:23 GMT
#49
On October 28 2010 09:31 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 09:07 LegendaryZ wrote:
On October 28 2010 08:48 tournamentnow wrote:
I like where this is heading, Kespa old bunch of corrupted bureaucrats will need to deal with their own legal system. Of course the korean legal system may itself be corrupted because you've got connections throughout the all organisations. There's so much money on the line..


You DO realize that if Blizzard wins this, it's very possible that the pro teams may disband and the BW leagues may disappear, right?

No, don't overdramatize it. If KeSPA/MBCGame/OGN lose, they will pay Blizzard a fine and accept Blizzard/Gretech's terms. The Starleagues get hurt but will most likely be carried on. Blizzard may be tough and greedy but they are not retarded.

Why would they? eSports is barely profitable as it is and KeSPA assumes all of the financial risk associated with the Starleagues. Do you think they'll seriously continue to invest in it if Blizzard gets to call all the shots? What makes you think they would bend over for Blizzard when they've continously refused to do throughout this entire process? Given their pride, I can almost guarantee that they'll dissolve before allowing themselves to be pushed around by one small foreign company.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
October 28 2010 01:27 GMT
#50
i'm hoping that bw will be able to continue in some capacity if blizz wins the lawsuit. gsl might fill the void before this can happen though
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 01:33:41
October 28 2010 01:29 GMT
#51
On October 28 2010 10:23 LegendaryZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 09:31 mrdx wrote:
On October 28 2010 09:07 LegendaryZ wrote:
On October 28 2010 08:48 tournamentnow wrote:
I like where this is heading, Kespa old bunch of corrupted bureaucrats will need to deal with their own legal system. Of course the korean legal system may itself be corrupted because you've got connections throughout the all organisations. There's so much money on the line..


You DO realize that if Blizzard wins this, it's very possible that the pro teams may disband and the BW leagues may disappear, right?

No, don't overdramatize it. If KeSPA/MBCGame/OGN lose, they will pay Blizzard a fine and accept Blizzard/Gretech's terms. The Starleagues get hurt but will most likely be carried on. Blizzard may be tough and greedy but they are not retarded.

Why would they? eSports is barely profitable as it is and KeSPA assumes all of the financial risk associated with the Starleagues. Do you think they'll seriously continue to invest in it if Blizzard gets to call all the shots? What makes you think they would bend over for Blizzard when they've continously refused to do throughout this entire process? Given their pride, I can almost guarantee that they'll dissolve before allowing them to be pushed around by one small company.

Completely agreed.

If there's one thing we can be certain about, if Kespa loses and loses badly, SCBW is dead. I don't mean "dead" as in it's popularity will fall a bit; if Kespa disappears, then the entire organization crumbles, and it will take far too long to put everything back together again. Proleague will not start in time to keep people's interests. Progamers will be restless waiting for a solution and probably will move. and I honestly think Blizzard honestly doesn't give a crap, because it means that all those SCBW people will transition to a new game... dum dum... SC2?

I wish Blizzard would just leave everything THE WAY IT WAS... I know there's IP rights issues, but why wasn't there before? Why NOW? You've already let Gretech/Gom take SC2... why BOTHER fighting about SCBW???????

I want SCBW to live =(

edit:

On October 28 2010 09:43 caelym wrote:
Totally support Blizzard and Gretech on this. IP rights are IP rights. Kespa and broadcasting station are lucky to have milked the BW cash cow for over 10 years.


... are you serious? because CLEARLY the Koreans had nothing to do with the continued popularity of SC1... right? you're talking about the REASON why SC1 thrived over a DECADE and paved the way for SC2. SC2 would have just been a 'good' release with WC3 dynamics. Maybe you don't remember that Blizzard debuted SC2 in KOREA.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
October 28 2010 01:36 GMT
#52
On October 28 2010 09:30 strength wrote:
Good! Blizzard kill kespa and create sc2 pro leagues thanks


Please stop widening the chasm between us BW and SC2 fans. Just stop it, and grow up! You are ridiculous.
Member of the "Afrotoss be rapin" crew ! Join now by copy/pasting this - || - I do not play BW or SC2, but I am a rabid fanboy! =D
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 28 2010 01:42 GMT
#53
I hope Kespa wins this!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 01:57:18
October 28 2010 01:53 GMT
#54
On October 28 2010 06:54 snowdrift wrote:
Targeting MBCGame -- the predators are trying to separate the weakest member of the herd from its fellows. It won't work.

KeSPA Fighting!
This. Such bad PR for Blizzard
On October 28 2010 09:43 caelym wrote:
Totally support Blizzard and Gretech on this. IP rights are IP rights. Kespa and broadcasting station are lucky to have milked the BW cash cow for over 10 years.

BW was never a cash cow lol. It's basically just advertising and little to no profit plus advertising. Blizzard should just be happy to have their game being played on TV to a large audience. It's great, free advertising for them and they haven't done shit with BW in such a long time. This is about control and reducing competition for the GSL, not IP rights.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 28 2010 01:59 GMT
#55
On October 28 2010 08:29 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 06:54 snowdrift wrote:
Targeting MBCGame -- the predators are trying to separate the weakest member of the herd from its fellows. It won't work.

KeSPA Fighting!

That might not be the only factor...I have a feeling it's more CJ/Ongamenet/Gretech wanting to take over BW as well as SC2. If Blizzard is fully cooperating with Gretech, there is no way CJ will let Ongamenet's business be damaged.

(While the rest of the sponsors, especially those with consumer-focused businesses like the phone companies, will balk at only having OGN as the sole broadcaster of pro BW.)


This is the only post in the entire thread that knows what its talking about. Everyone else is just blindly taking sides without even knowing WHAT KeSPA is.
Rikstah
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia126 Posts
October 28 2010 02:00 GMT
#56
On October 28 2010 10:29 Wings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 10:23 LegendaryZ wrote:
On October 28 2010 09:31 mrdx wrote:
On October 28 2010 09:07 LegendaryZ wrote:
On October 28 2010 08:48 tournamentnow wrote:
I like where this is heading, Kespa old bunch of corrupted bureaucrats will need to deal with their own legal system. Of course the korean legal system may itself be corrupted because you've got connections throughout the all organisations. There's so much money on the line..


You DO realize that if Blizzard wins this, it's very possible that the pro teams may disband and the BW leagues may disappear, right?

No, don't overdramatize it. If KeSPA/MBCGame/OGN lose, they will pay Blizzard a fine and accept Blizzard/Gretech's terms. The Starleagues get hurt but will most likely be carried on. Blizzard may be tough and greedy but they are not retarded.

Why would they? eSports is barely profitable as it is and KeSPA assumes all of the financial risk associated with the Starleagues. Do you think they'll seriously continue to invest in it if Blizzard gets to call all the shots? What makes you think they would bend over for Blizzard when they've continously refused to do throughout this entire process? Given their pride, I can almost guarantee that they'll dissolve before allowing them to be pushed around by one small company.

Completely agreed.

If there's one thing we can be certain about, if Kespa loses and loses badly, SCBW is dead. I don't mean "dead" as in it's popularity will fall a bit; if Kespa disappears, then the entire organization crumbles, and it will take far too long to put everything back together again. Proleague will not start in time to keep people's interests. Progamers will be restless waiting for a solution and probably will move. and I honestly think Blizzard honestly doesn't give a crap, because it means that all those SCBW people will transition to a new game... dum dum... SC2?

I wish Blizzard would just leave everything THE WAY IT WAS... I know there's IP rights issues, but why wasn't there before? Why NOW? You've already let Gretech/Gom take SC2... why BOTHER fighting about SCBW???????

I want SCBW to live =(

edit:

Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 09:43 caelym wrote:
Totally support Blizzard and Gretech on this. IP rights are IP rights. Kespa and broadcasting station are lucky to have milked the BW cash cow for over 10 years.


... are you serious? because CLEARLY the Koreans had nothing to do with the continued popularity of SC1... right? you're talking about the REASON why SC1 thrived over a DECADE and paved the way for SC2. SC2 would have just been a 'good' release with WC3 dynamics. Maybe you don't remember that Blizzard debuted SC2 in KOREA.


I agree. People are of the opinion that Kespa has just been milking a cash cow, I think it would be more accurate to say that Kespa has created the beastly 10 year cash cow. The game wouldn't have thrived for over a decade without them.

You can argue IP rights one way or the other (and lets face it guys - this really isn't clear cut, theres points back and forth, either side trying to say its in black and white is just being emotional or terribly misinformed) but you can't ignore the fact that Kespa and its organisation is what kept BW interesting for so long.

Also I feel that Caelym you are misinformed on the matter because there wasn't any profit to be gained from pro league. Kespa doesn't make any profits at all, they are just the sponsors for the leagues. The money they originally had tried to charge the broadcasting stations wasn't even close to covering the costs of running 12 teams on full time salaries. - Yes one could argue that advertising = profit but thats not how it works when theres no direct correlation between the pro league sponsorship and people buying your products.
Thors before Whores man
St. Fu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States75 Posts
October 28 2010 02:08 GMT
#57
I really don't want this to be the end of BW. Hopefully the lawsuit will move too slow and speed up the negotiations.
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
October 28 2010 02:18 GMT
#58
Man how come they can't agree on level terms? I mean even conflicts are resolved quicker than this crap.
If all parties want the best for e-sports and players, than they must agree terms and all sides must make compromises.

I expected Brood War to die out slowly, but this is just absurd, I'd like proleague and individual leagues to continue for at least a year.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 28 2010 02:23 GMT
#59
On October 28 2010 10:53 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 06:54 snowdrift wrote:
Targeting MBCGame -- the predators are trying to separate the weakest member of the herd from its fellows. It won't work.

KeSPA Fighting!
This. Such bad PR for Blizzard
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 09:43 caelym wrote:
Totally support Blizzard and Gretech on this. IP rights are IP rights. Kespa and broadcasting station are lucky to have milked the BW cash cow for over 10 years.

BW was never a cash cow lol. It's basically just advertising and little to no profit plus advertising. Blizzard should just be happy to have their game being played on TV to a large audience. It's great, free advertising for them and they haven't done shit with BW in such a long time. This is about control and reducing competition for the GSL, not IP rights.


And we all know advertising is a tiny, negligible part of business. That's why Microsoft is spending 1 billion dollars (not an exaggeration) on an ad campaign for Kinect. That's why companies pay huge amounts of money to get 30 seconds during the Super Bowl.
ionlyplayPROtoss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada573 Posts
October 28 2010 02:28 GMT
#60
mbc must win!!! MBCGAME HWAITING!!!
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