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On October 14 2010 20:09 alkampfer wrote:
They have been succesfull yes, and probably they won't ever be as succesfull as in the past.
That's because Activision money hungering bought them and transformed them in another thing.
As I understand it, and going by whats been said by Blizzard in the past, when there was concern that Activision would fundamentally change Blizzard - this is incorrect. Blizzard have free hands. They are owned by Activision, but they are steering their own ship.
Theres always a responsibility towards an owner, no matter the context, but in this case Blizzard apparantly have complete operative freedom. The responsibility in this case would solely rest in the balance sheet.
I assume Activision signed off on this due to the extreme success of Blizzard, mainly thru WoW. So it may also be in Activisions own interest to let them be.
I dont have any specific source for this. Its just "as i remember it".
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To people comparing that auto industry thing to this, they are incredibly unrelated law wise, its not hard to put up tariffs and such to make selling to your country pretty much impossible, ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to already have a product in your country already and then abuse said product not indirectly, not going around the rules with loopholes, but cut and dry going against them. Much much much much (you get the picture) less wiggle room in that instance
Would e-sports be where it is today in korea without Kespa, no not even close. That still doesnt excuse them from the law, and their dealing with this issue is very unprofessional. Trying to hide behind your government is never very well received (the company equiv of running to mommy and daddy when you were the true troublemaker.... imo) If Kespa had true legal backing they would have already stated said backing, and left it at that.
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On October 14 2010 16:26 AcOrP wrote:
They want BW to die and SC2 to replace it. But this is not the way. Without solid organization like KeSPA SC2 will be amateur level. Even old pros that switch to it wont be pros.
We are all professionals. It is just that some of us work (play) for money...
My point being: SC2 will be pro e-sport as long as there is enough money in it, regardless of way it organized...
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sure we are professionals : D: D: D srsly wtf?
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So Gretech warns kespa not to do anything stupid like announcing proleague before they finish negotiations, kespa says fuck you and does it anyway, then Gretech says fuck you right back and then kespa cries fault? Really kespa? Really?
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Its in Blizzards Major interest for BW to die out but for it to look like Kespa's fault rather then there own so SC2 will take over completely overnight.
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die gretech die
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On October 14 2010 20:08 alkampfer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 19:59 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:50 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:46 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:27 alkampfer wrote:
I really hope Blizzard will be destroyed in a court. This could teach them what is respect for thousands of people... gamers and fans.
And maybe they'll be forced to improve SC2 to BW gameplay level.
Because like this SC2 is not so epic.... i am already tired of it and i've already stopped laddering 1 week ago. Their respect for gamers and fans? WTF are you smoking? They created starcraft 1 and 2. AHAHAHAHAH so do you think that they created SC2 because of respect ??? They created it for money son... for money ONLY. And they want to kill BW for that also. oh yes. boohoo they created SC2 to make money. and guess what? people seem to like the games blizzard makes. All the more power to you though. Fight the system! *shakes fist* screw you blizzard for creating these amazing games! It's not about fighting the system. Is about fighting activision Moneyzzard. So you like sc2 ? You have probably never played BW 
What the crap does that have anything to do with Gretech-Kespa? Blizzard TRIED to negotiate with KeSPA, and that's OLD NEWS. OLD. NEWS. that kespa was unwilling to negotiate AT ALL.
KeSPA already dug its hole by refusing to negotiate on any terms but their own TWICE, and its getting really deep. Exactly how Gretech, the Korean court system, and by corollary Blizzard ends up punishing (or failing to punish) KeSPA for this is yet to be seen.
I REALLY want BW e-sports to live through this, but I'm struggling to see how it can. But more importantly, I want e-sports to survive, at any cost. I know most of you agree with this- if e-sports dies entirely, WE ALL LOSE, and it won't matter which organization was "right" or "evil"
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On October 14 2010 23:25 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 20:08 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:59 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:50 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:46 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:27 alkampfer wrote:
I really hope Blizzard will be destroyed in a court. This could teach them what is respect for thousands of people... gamers and fans.
And maybe they'll be forced to improve SC2 to BW gameplay level.
Because like this SC2 is not so epic.... i am already tired of it and i've already stopped laddering 1 week ago. Their respect for gamers and fans? WTF are you smoking? They created starcraft 1 and 2. AHAHAHAHAH so do you think that they created SC2 because of respect ??? They created it for money son... for money ONLY. And they want to kill BW for that also. oh yes. boohoo they created SC2 to make money. and guess what? people seem to like the games blizzard makes. All the more power to you though. Fight the system! *shakes fist* screw you blizzard for creating these amazing games! It's not about fighting the system. Is about fighting activision Moneyzzard. So you like sc2 ? You have probably never played BW What the crap does that have anything to do with Gretech-Kespa? Blizzard TRIED to negotiate with KeSPA, and that's OLD NEWS. OLD. NEWS. that kespa was unwilling to negotiate AT ALL. KeSPA already dug its hole by refusing to negotiate on any terms but their own TWICE, and its getting really deep. Exactly how Gretech, the Korean court system, and by corollary Blizzard ends up punishing (or failing to punish) KeSPA for this is yet to be seen. I REALLY want BW e-sports to live through this, but I'm struggling to see how it can. But more importantly, I want e-sports to survive, at any cost. I know most of you agree with this- if e-sports dies entirely, WE ALL LOSE, and it won't matter which organization was "right" or "evil"
well BW is the only esport Oo so i only care about BW if i care about esports.hosting some random tournaments with uhuhuhu much prize hunting isnt esport.
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That could be bad for them. TG-Sambo sponsored GOM a lot before. Why did they stop?
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On October 14 2010 23:58 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 23:25 sylverfyre wrote:On October 14 2010 20:08 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:59 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:50 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:46 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:27 alkampfer wrote:
I really hope Blizzard will be destroyed in a court. This could teach them what is respect for thousands of people... gamers and fans.
And maybe they'll be forced to improve SC2 to BW gameplay level.
Because like this SC2 is not so epic.... i am already tired of it and i've already stopped laddering 1 week ago. Their respect for gamers and fans? WTF are you smoking? They created starcraft 1 and 2. AHAHAHAHAH so do you think that they created SC2 because of respect ??? They created it for money son... for money ONLY. And they want to kill BW for that also. oh yes. boohoo they created SC2 to make money. and guess what? people seem to like the games blizzard makes. All the more power to you though. Fight the system! *shakes fist* screw you blizzard for creating these amazing games! It's not about fighting the system. Is about fighting activision Moneyzzard. So you like sc2 ? You have probably never played BW What the crap does that have anything to do with Gretech-Kespa? Blizzard TRIED to negotiate with KeSPA, and that's OLD NEWS. OLD. NEWS. that kespa was unwilling to negotiate AT ALL. KeSPA already dug its hole by refusing to negotiate on any terms but their own TWICE, and its getting really deep. Exactly how Gretech, the Korean court system, and by corollary Blizzard ends up punishing (or failing to punish) KeSPA for this is yet to be seen. I REALLY want BW e-sports to live through this, but I'm struggling to see how it can. But more importantly, I want e-sports to survive, at any cost. I know most of you agree with this- if e-sports dies entirely, WE ALL LOSE, and it won't matter which organization was "right" or "evil" well BW is the only esport Oo so i only care about BW if i care about esports.hosting some random tournaments with uhuhuhu much prize hunting isnt esport.
If BW is a true e-sport, then it will survive regardless of Kespa but if BW is just a miracle circus show, then people will eventually want to see a new act.
It is what it is.. it is not what it is not.
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it will survive.
and for SCII it will be another Wc3. have TROLOLO much tournaments with prize money until the next game is annoucned and then everyone will forget the game.
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On October 14 2010 23:25 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 20:08 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:59 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:50 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:46 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:27 alkampfer wrote:
I really hope Blizzard will be destroyed in a court. This could teach them what is respect for thousands of people... gamers and fans.
And maybe they'll be forced to improve SC2 to BW gameplay level.
Because like this SC2 is not so epic.... i am already tired of it and i've already stopped laddering 1 week ago. Their respect for gamers and fans? WTF are you smoking? They created starcraft 1 and 2. AHAHAHAHAH so do you think that they created SC2 because of respect ??? They created it for money son... for money ONLY. And they want to kill BW for that also. oh yes. boohoo they created SC2 to make money. and guess what? people seem to like the games blizzard makes. All the more power to you though. Fight the system! *shakes fist* screw you blizzard for creating these amazing games! It's not about fighting the system. Is about fighting activision Moneyzzard. So you like sc2 ? You have probably never played BW What the crap does that have anything to do with Gretech-Kespa? Blizzard TRIED to negotiate with KeSPA, and that's OLD NEWS. OLD. NEWS. that kespa was unwilling to negotiate AT ALL. KeSPA already dug its hole by refusing to negotiate on any terms but their own TWICE, and its getting really deep. Exactly how Gretech, the Korean court system, and by corollary Blizzard ends up punishing (or failing to punish) KeSPA for this is yet to be seen. I REALLY want BW e-sports to live through this, but I'm struggling to see how it can. But more importantly, I want e-sports to survive, at any cost. I know most of you agree with this- if e-sports dies entirely, WE ALL LOSE, and it won't matter which organization was "right" or "evil"
Old news is people like you making ignorant posts. KeSPA tried to negotiate, but blizzard gave them ridiculous terms nobody in KeSPA's place would've accepted either...
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On October 15 2010 00:23 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 23:25 sylverfyre wrote:On October 14 2010 20:08 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:59 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:50 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:46 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:27 alkampfer wrote:
I really hope Blizzard will be destroyed in a court. This could teach them what is respect for thousands of people... gamers and fans.
And maybe they'll be forced to improve SC2 to BW gameplay level.
Because like this SC2 is not so epic.... i am already tired of it and i've already stopped laddering 1 week ago. Their respect for gamers and fans? WTF are you smoking? They created starcraft 1 and 2. AHAHAHAHAH so do you think that they created SC2 because of respect ??? They created it for money son... for money ONLY. And they want to kill BW for that also. oh yes. boohoo they created SC2 to make money. and guess what? people seem to like the games blizzard makes. All the more power to you though. Fight the system! *shakes fist* screw you blizzard for creating these amazing games! It's not about fighting the system. Is about fighting activision Moneyzzard. So you like sc2 ? You have probably never played BW What the crap does that have anything to do with Gretech-Kespa? Blizzard TRIED to negotiate with KeSPA, and that's OLD NEWS. OLD. NEWS. that kespa was unwilling to negotiate AT ALL. KeSPA already dug its hole by refusing to negotiate on any terms but their own TWICE, and its getting really deep. Exactly how Gretech, the Korean court system, and by corollary Blizzard ends up punishing (or failing to punish) KeSPA for this is yet to be seen. I REALLY want BW e-sports to live through this, but I'm struggling to see how it can. But more importantly, I want e-sports to survive, at any cost. I know most of you agree with this- if e-sports dies entirely, WE ALL LOSE, and it won't matter which organization was "right" or "evil" Old news is people like you making ignorant posts. KeSPA tried to negotiate, but blizzard gave them ridiculous terms nobody in KeSPA's place would've accepted either...
What were these ridiculous terms?
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On October 14 2010 21:34 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 21:08 bluesoup wrote:
We are all professionals. It is just that some of us work (play) for money...
sure we are professionals : D: D: D srsly wtf?
LOL. You don't get it, do you?. Prime requisite for being pro in any occupation (work/sport/e-sport) is being paid enough to so that you can dedicate yourself to that occupation without having side-job to support yourself. Earning (enough) money from what you do makes you professional.
KeSPA doesn't make BW pro. MSL/OSL prize money and team salaries make it professional (e)sport. KeSPA is just regulatory body, not mandatory for something being professional occupation. Regulatory bodies (or organizations of professionals) became necessary as the profession matures, but usually one of their functions (among others) is increasing the barrier of entry in that field so existing professionals can make more money...
My total income from BW/SC2 is about -80EUR (cost of the games). Decide yourself if I, or anybody else is professional
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On October 15 2010 00:34 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 00:23 maybenexttime wrote:On October 14 2010 23:25 sylverfyre wrote:On October 14 2010 20:08 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:59 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:50 alkampfer wrote:On October 14 2010 19:46 stangstang wrote:On October 14 2010 19:27 alkampfer wrote:
I really hope Blizzard will be destroyed in a court. This could teach them what is respect for thousands of people... gamers and fans.
And maybe they'll be forced to improve SC2 to BW gameplay level.
Because like this SC2 is not so epic.... i am already tired of it and i've already stopped laddering 1 week ago. Their respect for gamers and fans? WTF are you smoking? They created starcraft 1 and 2. AHAHAHAHAH so do you think that they created SC2 because of respect ??? They created it for money son... for money ONLY. And they want to kill BW for that also. oh yes. boohoo they created SC2 to make money. and guess what? people seem to like the games blizzard makes. All the more power to you though. Fight the system! *shakes fist* screw you blizzard for creating these amazing games! It's not about fighting the system. Is about fighting activision Moneyzzard. So you like sc2 ? You have probably never played BW What the crap does that have anything to do with Gretech-Kespa? Blizzard TRIED to negotiate with KeSPA, and that's OLD NEWS. OLD. NEWS. that kespa was unwilling to negotiate AT ALL. KeSPA already dug its hole by refusing to negotiate on any terms but their own TWICE, and its getting really deep. Exactly how Gretech, the Korean court system, and by corollary Blizzard ends up punishing (or failing to punish) KeSPA for this is yet to be seen. I REALLY want BW e-sports to live through this, but I'm struggling to see how it can. But more importantly, I want e-sports to survive, at any cost. I know most of you agree with this- if e-sports dies entirely, WE ALL LOSE, and it won't matter which organization was "right" or "evil" Old news is people like you making ignorant posts. KeSPA tried to negotiate, but blizzard gave them ridiculous terms nobody in KeSPA's place would've accepted either... What were these ridiculous terms?
Use the search button (or you could even try going through my post history). I can't be arsed to write an essay everytime someone ask a question like this. It has been beaten to death. It's not that hard to find the list of blizzard's demands and some threads about their deal with gretech.
On October 15 2010 00:38 bluesoup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 21:34 rasers wrote:On October 14 2010 21:08 bluesoup wrote:
We are all professionals. It is just that some of us work (play) for money...
sure we are professionals : D: D: D srsly wtf? LOL. You don't get it, do you?. Prime requisite for being pro in any occupation (work/sport/e-sport) is being paid enough to so that you can dedicate yourself to that occupation without having side-job to support yourself. Earning (enough) money from what you do makes you professional. KeSPA doesn't make BW pro. MSL/OSL prize money and team salaries make it professional (e)sport. KeSPA is just regulatory body, not mandatory for something being professional occupation. Regulatory bodies (or organizations of professionals) became necessary as the profession matures, but usually one of their functions (among others) is increasing the barrier of entry in that field so existing professionals can make more money... My total income from BW/SC2 is about -80EUR (cost of the games). Decide yourself if I, or anybody else is professional
KeSPA pays those salaries...
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KeSPA pays those salaries...
No, it does not. Teams (and spooring corporations) pay those salaries. KeSPA serves the purpose of regulating BW, increasing barrier to entry (courage) and lowering salaries of progamers...
It is formed by BW pro-teams, and it does work towards increasing teams profits however...
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I hope the korean court system rapes gretech/activision/blizzard. Really KeSPA has no need to support Blizzard "laws".
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The Kespa vs Gretech thing is starting to worry me. At the end, maybe Blizzard just wanted to give BW it's coup de grace by giving Gretech exclusive rights. I make sense on a monetary point of view to make place for SC2 by killing BW.
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