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Fruitdealer on Patch 1.2

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Str1keFreedom
Profile Joined October 2010
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 02:24:11
October 13 2010 01:05 GMT
#1
‘The Zerg definitely got better, but it will not affect me too much’
– Kim Won Ki’s (Fruitdealer) opinion of 1.2 Patch.

On October 8th, Kim Won Ki revealed his opinion of the upcoming 1.2 patch.

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Patch 1.2, scheduled to be the next upcoming patch, has been a hot topic for its boost for the Zerg and its nerf on the Terran. For the zerg community, known for its complaints and it’s so called “Zerg QQ”, the patch has been accepted as a wonderful news.

So Star2Josun interviewed the winner of GSL(Global Star2 League) Season 1, “JJug” (Korean slang for Amazing Zerg player) Kim Won Ki (Zerg/Fruitdealer) and asked his thoughts about the upcoming patch.

Q: The patch notes for patch 1.2 have been revealed. What are your thoughts on its boost for Zerg?
I heard about the patch and I welcome it. I’m not exactly sure what will happen until the patch is done. I think I’ll be able to decide how I feel about it once it is released. My main race is not Protoss, but in a Protoss v.s Terran match, Protoss has hard time dealing with Terran, so I’m disappointed that a fix for this issue was not part of the patch.


Q: What effects do you think the Patch will have for Zergs against both Terran and Protoss?
Thanks to the Roach’s increase in range, their usefulness dramatically increased in ZvP matchups. For ZvT, due to the inability of making Fast barracks for Terrans, I think Zerg will always be able to take their expansion first. In response to this, I think Terrans will have to harass the early expansion through fast scouting.
Overall, since Zerg does not have to worry about 10 Barracks or reapers, I think they have taken a huge advantage. I think the Zerg race is getting better.


Q: How are the receptions for this patch for the people around you?
There have been many talks about the requirement of supply depot for building barracks. However, the Zerg users are welcoming it with open arms.


Q: How do you think this will affect you?
I don’t think it will have a significant effect on my game play. It’s just that ZvP is a hard match up for me and since the Roaches are getting higher range, I think it’s now turning out to be a do-able match up for me.


Q: What Zerg unit do you think needs some boosts?
I want the Brood Lord to get stronger. The current Brood Lord dies extremely easily, hard to produce, and it’s not cost effective. I don’t like both the Ultralisk and Brood Lord, but out of the high tier units, the only high tier unit I would use is the Ultralisk.
Ultralisk is good for putting an end to a game, but if used when the game is turning unfavorable towards you it is difficult to put it into good use. The Zerg race needs units like High Templar.


Q: Did you receive the GSL Prize Money? If you did, how are you planning to use it?
I did not receive the prize money yet (laughs). I did not yet think about how I want to use the money.


Q: Your comments on your upcoming matches in GSL Season 2.
I will just think about passing through the next rounds starting from the preliminaries. Zerg Fighting! (Fighting is way of cheering in Korean).

Source: http://star2.gamechosun.co.kr/board/view.php?bid=sc2e&num=27979

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abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
October 13 2010 01:07 GMT
#2
On October 13 2010 10:05 Str1keFreedom wrote:
My main race is not Protoss, but in a Protoss v.s Terran match, Protoss has hard time dealing with Terran, so I’m disappointed that a fix for this issue was not part of the patch.





MARRY ME FRUITDEALER
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Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 13 2010 01:08 GMT
#3
This was posted already.
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
October 13 2010 01:08 GMT
#4
I hope he gets that money soon.
^O^
Str1keFreedom
Profile Joined October 2010
United States112 Posts
October 13 2010 01:09 GMT
#5
On October 13 2010 10:08 Ocedic wrote:
This was posted already.


Sorry If it was posted already. TL does not allow new comers to post for 3 days. I had the article translated and had to wait 3 days to post it.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
October 13 2010 01:09 GMT
#6
"The Zerg race needs units like High Templar."

Yeah i remember the defiler too...

but Thanks for the Translation! Really interesting.
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Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
October 13 2010 01:13 GMT
#7
On October 13 2010 10:08 Ocedic wrote:
This was posted already.

2nd that.

Yeah it was posted already.

Anyways how far do you guys think fruitdealer will make it in gSL 2

Poll: Fruitdealer in GSL2

Ro4 (169)
 
32%

GSL 2 winner (167)
 
32%

ro8 (106)
 
20%

GSL 2 runner up (51)
 
10%

Ro16 (23)
 
4%

Ro32 (11)
 
2%

527 total votes

Your vote: Fruitdealer in GSL2

(Vote): GSL 2 winner
(Vote): GSL 2 runner up
(Vote): Ro4
(Vote): ro8
(Vote): Ro16
(Vote): Ro32


ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 01:37:11
October 13 2010 01:35 GMT
#8
Oh gawd, he wins the first GSL and now everyone looks to him for what balance should be which I think is a terrible idea. He thinks BroodLords need a buff and now all of a sudden on the ladder all I hear is "You're lucky my BroodLords are UP or you would have been roflstomped!" Oh boy it's getting pretty pathetic, I understand, the guy is a great great player but that doesn't mean that his biased opinion on what balance is for Zerg is any better than IdrA or MorroW or anyone else that is a respectable player. I think the most obnoxious ideas for balance have come from this guy and if things were his way we would have a very very OP Zerg and him saying things are perfect..

Also, his thoughts on PvT are accurate until late game when I really beleive that Terran has the harder time winning. I'm not saying it's unbalanced, only that it's a pretty good game at that point.
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Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
October 13 2010 01:45 GMT
#9
If BroodLords, Carriers and BC's all suck vs Terran, it's more likely the problem is the Viking and not all 3 of those units.

Good point about Zerg having no comeback unit available through teching.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 13 2010 01:46 GMT
#10
thanks for translating as i missed this the first time around
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bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
October 13 2010 01:49 GMT
#11
Broodlords are literally as useful as Guardians in BW(which isn't saying much), maybe upgrading their speed just slightly will make them more useful.
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TheMick
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain164 Posts
October 13 2010 01:55 GMT
#12
broodlord to be stronger? bs they fine as they are
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 13 2010 02:13 GMT
#13
I respect him but he is asking for an OP zerg.. I hope he gets roflstomped by nada baby!
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 02:18:05
October 13 2010 02:17 GMT
#14
yah man totally agree zerg needs a unit like high templar. throw in zerg marauder and colossus also that should really make it better. asking this dude about 1.2 is like asking a dog whether the patch that reduces cat legs from 4 to 3 is balanced.
SheerStress
Profile Joined July 2010
84 Posts
October 13 2010 02:22 GMT
#15
ckw
Oh gawd, he wins the first GSL and now everyone looks to him for what balance should be which I think is a terrible idea. He thinks BroodLords need a buff and now all of a sudden on the ladder all I hear is "You're lucky my BroodLords are UP or you would have been roflstomped!" Oh boy it's getting pretty pathetic, I understand, the guy is a great great player but that doesn't mean that his biased opinion on what balance is for Zerg is any better than IdrA or MorroW or anyone else that is a respectable player. I think the most obnoxious ideas for balance have come from this guy and if things were his way we would have a very very OP Zerg and him saying things are perfect..

Also, his thoughts on PvT are accurate until late game when I really beleive that Terran has the harder time winning. I'm not saying it's unbalanced, only that it's a pretty good game at that point.


Completely Agree,
lol @ zerg need a unit like HT. Does terran have a unit like that?
It's kind of surprising that a player that good seems so blissfully biased and completely ignorant of the terran perspective. but yeah hope people dont start taking all his ideas as law

Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 13 2010 02:23 GMT
#16
On October 13 2010 11:17 baller wrote:
yah man totally agree zerg needs a unit like high templar. throw in zerg marauder and colossus also that should really make it better. asking this dude about 1.2 is like asking a dog whether the patch that reduces cat legs from 4 to 3 is balanced.


ROFL! Thread winner
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
October 13 2010 02:49 GMT
#17
On October 13 2010 11:17 baller wrote:
yah man totally agree zerg needs a unit like high templar. throw in zerg marauder and colossus also that should really make it better. asking this dude about 1.2 is like asking a dog whether the patch that reduces cat legs from 4 to 3 is balanced.


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Elevators
Profile Joined March 2010
United States56 Posts
October 13 2010 03:02 GMT
#18
I like hearing what top players think about new patches...

... but we should definitely leave the balancing job to Blizzard, and not the players.

>__>
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 03:20:17
October 13 2010 03:18 GMT
#19
Broodlords are a late game cheese in ZvT and don't really work once a Terran knows they're coming. I'm surprised people are ragging on him so much for that. The HT comment I think was ment to say that If you get a few good storms off you can turn the game around, and there is no unit like that for Zerg. I don't think he was asking for a Infested high templar unit or anything :p just a unit that can change the flow of the game with some good unit usage.
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SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 03:22:31
October 13 2010 03:22 GMT
#20
On October 13 2010 12:18 Tachion wrote:
Broodlords are a late game cheese in ZvT and don't really work once a Terran knows they're coming. I'm surprised people are ragging on him so much for that. The HT comment was a little weird considering you have banelings and Infestors to fill that AoEish type role, I'd have liked to hear more about what he meant by that.


I think he meant that zerg needs a fallback type of unit. Terrans have tanks, protoss have HTs, but zerg lack a unit like the defiler in BW that can turn the tides of a losing battle, as the infestor would only fit that role vs a pure bio army.
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