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eSTRO dissolves, draft for outgoing players. - Page 7

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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
October 13 2010 01:44 GMT
#121
I wish Really the best, however it turns out.

The guy has been looking so depressed - almost as much as Canata - over the past year.
Beren
Profile Joined June 2010
United States514 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 01:48:39
October 13 2010 01:47 GMT
#122
On October 13 2010 04:16 bluesoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 02:38 infinity2k9 wrote:
On October 12 2010 23:16 bluesoup wrote:

... however what bothers me in this case is that their contracts with the team are terminated due to "Force majeure" and they should be able to freely negotiate with other teams...



The contract rules are to stop teams who are willing to put more money in, dominate everything easily - which would make proleague extremely boring. Stop even using the term slavery it's an insult to people actually under those conditions. There's plenty of other sports with young athletes where the situation is far worse (notoriously child gymnasts for one).


I am certainly no expert, but drafts in most sports are for fresh talent (i.e. new progamers, just out of courage tornaments etc..) and they are tied to few seasons. They are legal if there is a peer union of players with which terms are also negotiated (like minimum salary for new players, etc...). If such tiny details are not followed they became modern slavery contracts and lead to bad things like current eSTRO situation.

In this case they seem only serve for lowering salaries of all progamers (since KeSPA is the teams, i.e. sponsoring corporations) and banning anybody who wishes to try different e-sport (i.e. SC2) due to their daily politics... KeSPA should be plainly illegal under any normal legal system which has anti-trust provisions, if there is no peer player union which has singed collective agreement.

I have not heard of such players union for BW or in any other e-sport. Consider another specific to e-sports that players retire very young and that any rookie binding contracts should be relatively short as players generally have short career. Recently added free-agent status in BW is a joke anyway and only applies to very seasoned players (like free, stork, etc...) in e-sport terms...

There might be worse things in world, i give you that. Existence of such does not make KeSPA any better at what they do... Or to be worthy of anybody's support. They should be publicly condemned for what they do and called the with the right name even if it hurts.

My thoughts are with former eSTRO players, and by no means i would like to insult them (or any korean progamer), but the situation in which they are in the present is just ridiculous thanks to KeSPA.


I am very ignorant to this conversation but I find it very interesting. It would seem if they were not made free agents and allowed to find a team then its not like any other sport out there. They are established pro's, they should have a choice and if no team wanted them... sucks?

The whole system seems fucked up. The fact ppl get upset because they are called "modern slaves" could be relavent but explain to us why that is a terrible generalization and why its is so inaccurate. I understand that you love the sport but that has nothing to do with how it is ran.

Also saying something is worse in another sport as a defense is not a valid argument. (another poster said "child gymnist are treated worse, like that somehow made it ok to treat programers like cattle)

I hope the system does not work like how it has been explained but how does it work? It seems like they are almost forced into a situation after a while...

(i quoted this post because it seems to make alot of sense not because i was disagreed)
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
October 13 2010 01:48 GMT
#123
So theres ten teams in the PL now?
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 13 2010 02:21 GMT
#124
On October 13 2010 10:48 MuffinDude wrote:
So theres ten teams in the PL now?

Yes. Maybe soon to be zero, if the rumors are correct.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 03:43:19
October 13 2010 03:42 GMT
#125
Honestly this isn't the worst thing that could happen. Bad teams fusing into stronger teams and creating more competition at the top is overall better or at least more exciting to watch. I liked eSTRO as a team but a Khan with Really? An Oz with Protoss (in case the bonjwa injures his back again)? Infinitely more interesting dynamic at the top than having some Fox vs. eSTRO matches that had like five pages of LR.

On October 12 2010 21:31 xxpack09 wrote:
Hm, did TL remove the sig logos? Because I find it odd that no one ITT has one


Those are only enabled in the Broodwar forums, this is in Community News
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
October 13 2010 06:37 GMT
#126
Really to SAMSUNG KHAN!
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
October 13 2010 07:26 GMT
#127
On October 13 2010 15:37 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Really to SAMSUNG KHAN!


hell yeah
Graphicscolosi suck
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 08:26:38
October 13 2010 08:24 GMT
#128
Updated the OP with details on how the players will be drafted.

In short, it's pretty much a free auction to acquire a player's services. So, don't be surprised to see the rich teams get even stronger.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada379 Posts
October 13 2010 09:38 GMT
#129
Being an SKT fan this development is awesome, but seeing as how Proleague is in jeopardy and we are now raking over the bones of eSTRO i feel pretty ambivalent at the moment.
bluesoup
Profile Joined March 2009
Macedonia107 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 15:00:16
October 13 2010 14:59 GMT
#130
On October 13 2010 17:24 Waxangel wrote:
Updated the OP with details on how the players will be drafted.

In short, it's pretty much a free auction to acquire a player's services. So, don't be surprised to see the rich teams get even stronger.


I am actually glad that there was more reasonable solution for the fate of players. So while it is not fun that richest teams got best of it, looking form the side of the players is they got the best (highest) offer available and were at least protected with some minimal provisions.

So RIP eSTRO, finally.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
October 13 2010 18:45 GMT
#131
Hope that Oz will get Really or Flying !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
October 14 2010 01:20 GMT
#132
Jesus Christ.. can we have some good news for once?! Fucking depression everywhere.
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
October 14 2010 06:53 GMT
#133
NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I wish you guys all the best, I'll still be pulling for you...
RIP eSTRO :(
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