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eSTRO dissolves, draft for outgoing players. - Page 6

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DragonDefonce
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States790 Posts
October 12 2010 16:24 GMT
#101
On October 13 2010 01:07 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 01:03 GTR wrote:
On October 13 2010 00:35 Milkis wrote:
They officially announced that they'll be doing a draft, from lowest ranked team to highest ranked team


How will the position of hite Entus be determined? Kind of hard when you have a merger of teams, one 11th, one 5th.


My guess is they use CJ's, since the CJ - Hite merger is kinda like Hite merging into CJ.

dunno about how it's officially placed though


CJ didn't loose any of the players they had to become 5th, so I'd assume they would still be 5th.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
October 12 2010 16:28 GMT
#102
That really sucks for the eSTRO players. I am hoping the ones that do not get drafted consider switching to sc2.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
October 12 2010 16:28 GMT
#103
On October 13 2010 01:28 n0xi3 wrote:
That really sucks for the eSTRO players. I am hoping the ones that do not get drafted consider switching to sc2.


they're all guaranteed a spot
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-12 20:02:05
October 12 2010 17:08 GMT
#104
If the draft goes from lowest to highest ranked teams, corresponding picks may be the following:

1. Samsung Khan => Terran (Classic or Really)
2. Hwaseung OZ => Protoss (Flying) or Zerg (Action or Hyvaa) *
3. Woongjin Stars => Terran (remaining Classic or Really)
4. Hite Entus => Zerg (Action or Hyvaa)
5. WeMade FOX => Protoss (Flying) or Zerg (remaining Action or Hyvaa)
6. MBCGame Hero => B Team Player
7. SK Telecom => B Team Player
8. STX Soul => B Team Player
9. KT Rolster => B Team Player

*No idea who OZ will pick because of the team's previous Zerg + Terran success.
osarkaooo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
October 12 2010 17:16 GMT
#105
really to khan?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
October 12 2010 17:38 GMT
#106
On October 12 2010 23:16 bluesoup wrote:
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On October 12 2010 21:47 infinity2k9 wrote:
On October 12 2010 20:05 bluesoup wrote:
So here we are, why KeSPA and their setup is bad:
None of these players will have a chance to negotiate a contract on their own (i.e. get best offer), even if their team is disbanding and contracts are terminated. They are going to be drafted like livestock with very little saying of their own.
Their only option if they don't like the team that is picking them is to forfeit their progamer license (and/or move to SC2)
I might not agree/like with what Blizzard is doing to Proleague, but this modern slavery is just disgusting, rotten and deserves to die.


This is fucking ridiculous. modern slavery, are you nuts?


So do you agree with setup where players absolutely have no control (except bailing out) on the team where they end up ? What rights do they have if they want to keep their license ? They even do not qualify for the, ridiculous by itself (see Jaedong), free-agent treatment. Can you quote example in any sport where players have less rights on choosing a team ?

So yes, I consider this to be form of modern slavery. You can voluntarily put your self in such position by signing a contract in any sport, however what bothers me in this case is that their contracts with the team are terminated due to "Force majeure" and they should be able to freely negotiate with other teams...

But no... They are still slaves to KeSPA... They are "owned" by KeSPA. They are going to be "drafted"...

R.I.P. Estro.
F*#$&^*&k KeSPA.


The contract rules are to stop teams who are willing to put more money in, dominate everything easily - which would make proleague extremely boring. Stop even using the term slavery it's an insult to people actually under those conditions. There's plenty of other sports with young athletes where the situation is far worse (notoriously child gymnasts for one).
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 12 2010 18:37 GMT
#107
This is the end... beautiful friend...

The above also goes for hite sparkyz and cj entus. I know it's a merge and not a dissolve but my preschool soccer team merged with another team and basically it's not the same team anymore, it's a whole new team, full of awful.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 12 2010 18:41 GMT
#108
Wow, so it might not be Jaedong Oz anymore? Also, I hope that the drafting order will be weighted not only on past performance but also on how many players a team lost (due to scandal or SC2) over the past years.
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
October 12 2010 18:47 GMT
#109
It's time for more teams to start moving to sc2, or at least making a transition, even if slowly, to it. Else the others will see dissolve as well.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
October 12 2010 19:02 GMT
#110
WOW, yeah looks like SC is pretty dead, HITE+CJ now estro is done... so crazy
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
bluesoup
Profile Joined March 2009
Macedonia107 Posts
October 12 2010 19:16 GMT
#111
On October 13 2010 02:38 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 23:16 bluesoup wrote:

... however what bothers me in this case is that their contracts with the team are terminated due to "Force majeure" and they should be able to freely negotiate with other teams...



The contract rules are to stop teams who are willing to put more money in, dominate everything easily - which would make proleague extremely boring. Stop even using the term slavery it's an insult to people actually under those conditions. There's plenty of other sports with young athletes where the situation is far worse (notoriously child gymnasts for one).


I am certainly no expert, but drafts in most sports are for fresh talent (i.e. new progamers, just out of courage tornaments etc..) and they are tied to few seasons. They are legal if there is a peer union of players with which terms are also negotiated (like minimum salary for new players, etc...). If such tiny details are not followed they became modern slavery contracts and lead to bad things like current eSTRO situation.

In this case they seem only serve for lowering salaries of all progamers (since KeSPA is the teams, i.e. sponsoring corporations) and banning anybody who wishes to try different e-sport (i.e. SC2) due to their daily politics... KeSPA should be plainly illegal under any normal legal system which has anti-trust provisions, if there is no peer player union which has singed collective agreement.

I have not heard of such players union for BW or in any other e-sport. Consider another specific to e-sports that players retire very young and that any rookie binding contracts should be relatively short as players generally have short career. Recently added free-agent status in BW is a joke anyway and only applies to very seasoned players (like free, stork, etc...) in e-sport terms...

There might be worse things in world, i give you that. Existence of such does not make KeSPA any better at what they do... Or to be worthy of anybody's support. They should be publicly condemned for what they do and called the with the right name even if it hurts.

My thoughts are with former eSTRO players, and by no means i would like to insult them (or any korean progamer), but the situation in which they are in the present is just ridiculous thanks to KeSPA.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-12 19:35:03
October 12 2010 19:34 GMT
#112
On October 13 2010 04:02 dRaW wrote:
WOW, yeah looks like SC is pretty dead, HITE+CJ now estro is done... so crazy


Hite was crippled after the matchmaking scandal, estro has been floundering for years. neither of these moves are surprising nor are they indicative of brood war doomsday
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
osarkaooo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
October 12 2010 20:02 GMT
#113
i just hope khan gets khan
fuck yes khan LETS GO!
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
October 12 2010 21:13 GMT
#114
Getting Flying would be nice for Wemade...God knows we need another decent Protoss.
Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
October 12 2010 21:30 GMT
#115
sad to see the broodwar scene dying bit after bit =(
Lift. Laugh. Love. <3
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
October 12 2010 22:32 GMT
#116
(Z)Action to KT! The Rolsters will be almost invincible with solid lineups in all 3 races!
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Umbrella
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Taiwan936 Posts
October 12 2010 22:52 GMT
#117
Was an eStro fan since I first started watching. =[

Hopefully I can still watch Really/Action/Classic/Flying play in other teams. It won't be the same though. =/
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
October 12 2010 23:39 GMT
#118
TLPD lists 14 members for eSTRO and only 8 remained for team. Seems like most B- teamers left without even trying to get spot for new team.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
October 13 2010 00:19 GMT
#119
Dear God,

REALLY TO WOONGJIN REALLY TO WOONGJIN REALLY TO WOONGJIN REALLY TO WOONGJIN



PLEASE

kN.swanized


god that would be so sweet... we'll probably snatch classic instead
Writer
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 13 2010 01:04 GMT
#120
I really hope action goes to kt
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