EPTIt's not fake.
It's been posted on the starcraft homepage?
Blizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 67
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TheFisherman
20 Posts
It's not fake. It's been posted on the starcraft homepage? | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:16 kojinshugi wrote: To be fair you're talking out of your ass. What is a Diamond player going to do that's so intelligent compared to the gold and plat I play against? Run away and let the shields recharge? Yeah, they do that already. My rax will complete, my marine will be out in 30 seconds, and I won't let an SCV die to a single probe no matter how well you micro it. We're not mentally handicapped in the lower leagues, we just don't have the RTS experience you do. Which means we lose to late game, not early cheese or small scale micro. I'd say you're talking more out of your ass than me since I actually have Diamond League experience. It's not like I play all the time either, hardly ever actually I'm pretty busy..but you're clearly ignorant to e-sports and higher level tactics because if you ever watched GSL or any tournament really you'd realize there's actually players well known for how good they probe harass.. Remember you have to focus on more than just probe harass while doing so.. So yes probe harassing is a lot deeper than you think it is...and until you broaden your horizons on possibilities aside from your theorycraft, you'll probably be stuck in gold league. I'm not trying to flame, I'm making a legitimate statement. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:06 Kazeyonoma wrote: i'm saying this WILL BECOME A PROBLEM. wow. How WILL it become a problem when it won't change one single detail about my normal TvP builds? Probe harass isn't a huge issue, you can just send a slightly later scout and your income is identical to scouting after depot finishes. | ||
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esc0bar
Canada112 Posts
On October 08 2010 01:28 Thunderflesh wrote: I agree... 1) Most BOs build a depot first anyway. 2) This will only limit Terran's ability to do fun/cute cheese strats; less variety = bad. 3) In late-game stalemate/base-trade situations, this could be a big problem; e.g., a Terran player has three command centers, but all their rax/depots have been taken out; even though they have plenty of supply, they'll have to built a depot before a rax. blegh. I suppose this might make up for being able to float buildings. Other than that, this patch looks great! Hmm, didnt read that write on the first try. I get your point, factory for speed would have been a good enough nerf. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Removing even the possibility of a 10 rax allows the other races to do pretty much anything early game it also makes it quite a bit more difficult to defend against rushes or respond to expected super early agression as terran. It cuts down on early game variations in a way that is certainly not necessary (especially since t1 reaper speed just got removed as well) and any cuts on variation that are not imperative for game balance are bad. Considering the huge amount of viable terran openings... I'm sorry, but the massive game variation that terran had over the other races was crazy. In fact, it still is pretty crazy. Terran still has far more viable openings than zerg or protoss. Easily. I mean, I know variety is the spice of life but come on... if zerg were to try some of the stuff that terran can they would die so fast to any early pressure it's ridiculous. | ||
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babyToSS
233 Posts
To be fair you're talking out of your ass. What is a Diamond player going to do that's so intelligent compared to the gold and plat I play against? Run away and let the shields recharge? Yeah, they do that already. My rax will complete, my marine will be out in 30 seconds, and I won't let an SCV die to a single probe no matter how well you micro it. We're not mentally handicapped in the lower leagues, we just don't have the RTS experience you do. Which means we lose to late game, not early cheese or small scale micro. Have to agree with you there is not too much difference between gold to mid-diamond except the high leaguers being a little better with their macro, having tighter timings and most importantly being consistent in dealing with cheese/warp gate all-ins. Its when u hit the range mid - really high diamond that players' skills start ramping up significantly. Edit: I'd say you're talking more out of your ass than me since I actually have Diamond League experience. Unless you are around 1500 or more diamond, there really is not too much of a difference. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:19 TheFisherman wrote: It's been posted on the starcraft homepage? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/882511 | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:20 esc0bar wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying... but if you really think it would be interesting to build a barrack late game while you have no depot... something's wrong with you. Building barracks when supply blocked is not something I consider useful, I could be wrong. Yeah, I don't see it being an issue. If you base traded and lost every single depot and actually have units and SCVs to go for a rebuild at your new location, you're going to be building a shitton of depots before your rax can produce anything. Unless you've got like thousands of minerals banked and could start everything at the same time, but really that's such a random and rare occurrence and is pretty much an appropriate penalty for macroing so horribly. | ||
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TheFisherman
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
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Grond
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
Hydras are good only for anti-air now i guess. I don't like this proposed patch, the stats mean nothing and i wonder why a Blizzard dev doesn't understand that with the current matchmaking system (which works pretty well), you will have everyone's win rates at 45-55% except for the bottom and the top of the ladder. Can someone please explain this to Blizzard ? They don't seem to understand how their own game works. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:28 Grond wrote: Sounds like Reapers are getting the Ultra treatment. That still leaves Hellions, Banshees and Medivac drops though, Terran should be fine. I'd prefer some other form of change to be honest. Reapers are a retarded unit, not because of imbalance but because it's so incredibly gimmicky in its' current state. Instead of making it near useless, why not change it completely? It's stupid and really should be changed. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:20 DoubleReed wrote: Considering the huge amount of viable terran openings... I'm sorry, but the massive game variation that terran had over the other races was crazy. In fact, it still is pretty crazy. Terran still has far more viable openings than zerg or protoss. Easily. I mean, I know variety is the spice of life but come on... if zerg were to try some of the stuff that terran can they would die so fast to any early pressure it's ridiculous. plz enlighten me and tell me all the BOs/openings that are so imbalanced and make me win without any skill, because unfortunately I strangely need to be better than my opponent most of the time to win and especially in TvZ I have the feeling that I need double the skill of my opponent __IF__ I am just going for a straight macro game and dont one base all-in (which doesnt work against good Zs and with good I dont mean below diamond 1500) | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:14 link0 wrote: Terran player here. I love the depot before Rax requirement. Proxy Rax cheese ruins T v T because it makes it just a build order poker. I knew about this change a while ago and fully approve of it. Wow, are you kidding me? How can you be near the top of the ladder and have such a poor understanding of the game? I'm surprised you never learned to scout at 9.5 supply. Even on metalopolis this gives you a 2/3 chance of spotting cheese and being able to respond to stop it and come out at least even (unless you think you should be able to go 14 CC safely???). This change is going to change TvP and TvZ a lot more than people realize. It means protoss no longer has to pylon scout and can go 14 gate every game. It also means zerg can safely 14 hatch every game. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:19 DreXxiN wrote: I'd say you're talking more out of your ass than me since I actually have Diamond League experience. You have gold experience? It's not like I play all the time either, hardly ever actually I'm pretty busy..but you're clearly ignorant to e-sports and higher level tactics because if you ever watched GSL or any tournament really you'd realize there's actually players well known for how good they probe harass. Probe harassment stops addons, sure. It slows down mining. But it's not gonna stop me from completing a barracks. And what the hell does any of this have to do with anything? How is building a barracks before depot going to make his probe harass completely useless? Magic? Most TvP still opens with 10 depot 12 rax, as it has since beta. Even at the GSL. Even at MLG. This doesn't affect TvP much at all, and certainly not because of "probe harass". Remember you have to focus on more than just probe harass while doing so.. So yes probe harassing is a lot deeper than you think it is...and until you broaden your horizons on possibilities aside from your theorycraft, you'll probably be stuck in gold league. I'm not trying to flame, I'm making a legitimate statement. Blah blah blah. No is impressed by your 500 Diamond 2v2 or whatever the hell you play. I'm not stuck in gold. I won 15 games in a row tonight, half of them against plat. I'm just new to RTS and need to learn. I'll absolutely make it to Diamond. You're making giant, baseless assumptions about my skill in order to pad your lacking epeen. You're defending Kazeyo, who, previously in this thread, argued that this change means terran will lose to six pools. EDIT: You the 689 Diamond, region rank 23k or so? Surely I am not worthy. | ||
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Perscienter
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Grond
599 Posts
On October 08 2010 07:32 vyyye wrote: I'd prefer some other form of change to be honest. Reapers are a retarded unit, not because of imbalance but because it's so incredibly gimmicky in its' current state. Instead of making it near useless, why not change it completely? It's stupid and really should be changed. I think moving Cloak instead Nitro Packs further up the tech tree makes more sense personally. I suspect what's really going on is they know there is a problem but they aren't quite sure what to do so they are removing Reapers from the equation for now. | ||
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