EPTBlizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 69
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
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_KiM_
Canada498 Posts
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
roach range... is fine? people always march roaches up to melee range anyway so that 3 rows of roaches can attack. only thing this will change is roach kiting with stim or reapers... rax requiring a depot sucks to me. sure terran has alot of early game options. but removing them instead of adding options to other races i think is a bad idea. reaper speed at factory, roach range increase. depot before rax. who is ever going to build a reaper. ever again? the only buff i could see roaches needing is their 2 armor back. when they nerfed roaches it was like 2 stages. first stage was a gentle nudge. second stage was like a curb stomp. they should undo the "gentle nudge" changes... also increasing zerg building HP. i dunno. i liked LzGaMeR's suggestion (probably alot of other people's) which was to make marauders +10 armored damage not apply to structures. have to say. im not looking forward to this patch =\ | ||
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preacha
Norway210 Posts
so, eventhough it might seem as a good thing 1on1, but for me, as i play mostly 3on3/4on4 - i am NOT amused! | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
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jdreamer
Australia296 Posts
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:09 SKTDH wrote: depot before rax. 6 pool gg what are you talking about? standart tvz opening is supply barrack plus you dont scout before ur first supply/barrack anyways | ||
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Zvendetta
United States321 Posts
guys these aren't patch notes they're what blizzard is brainstorming at this very moment, nothing finalized yet. I think IdrA might cry for joy when he sees the patch implemented  For the overmind! | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
2010 07:38 Perscienter wrote: Rax first severely hurts the eco of the Terran, so I don't think how this new rule could be justifiable at all. Rax first is a legitimate trade-off and such trade-offs are a vital part of what an RTS is all about. Actually it doesn't. Someone made a detailed post about it just after the beta (before this site became flooded from b.net) You could 9rax into a faster orbital command and the Mule gives you a bigger initial econ boost. Meaning 9rax was actually a good way to 1rax FE. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
The reaper change is a teamgame issue btw, I doubt they changed it because of 1v1. I also doubt it will have any use in 1v1 anymore besides some scouting or xel'naga towering on maps like kulas. They removed Kulas from the map pool. imho this is bad. I'm saying this from a protoss player's perspective btw, but the reaper nerf was definitely overkill. does zerg structures really have that low HP anyway?.. whatever.. The one thing that I'm terrified about is the roach +range.. protoss units are the most expensive in game, and they're not cost effective against anything, the one good thing was that stalker could atleast kite roaches (before they got their speed upgrade). With this patch zerg will rofl stomp protoss, and especially if you try to go for forge FE (as the cannon placement played a huge roll to outrange roaches). Might as well go back to playing terran if this ends up getting too out of hand.. the terran nerfs are really not much to complain about. I mean how often don't you make a supply depot first anyway? and reapers are only good against zerg. The only good units for toss are the t3 HTs and collosi, and with roach range, I doubt we'll see an end game. Roach rush gg. Sorry for whining, but I'm just scared ^^ hope they change it. I wonder what the win statistics are for EU. | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
That depot->rax thing might be a little too much but honestly, after all we zerg have been through, I'm going to say that's fine; it doesn't affect anything past early game anyway. | ||
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:00 junemermaid wrote: Except now the Terran has to commit some resources (factory) into making the reaper harass viable. You know, not having a default strategy that doesn't set him behind and can instant win a game if handled sub-optimally... No. "Except now the Terran has to commit some resources (factory) into making the reaper harass still NOT viable." | ||
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Gorguts
Canada254 Posts
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:14 Klive5ive wrote: Actually it doesn't. Someone made a detailed post about it just after the beta (before this site became flooded from b.net) You could 9rax into a faster orbital command and the Mule gives you a bigger initial econ boost. Meaning 9rax was actually a good way to 1rax FE. yup.... gonna miss that. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
depot before rax. 6 pool gg welcome to protoss land | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
it really is there =x I was thinking about the suply thing being a joke or something ... | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
The supply depot team game(and ends up making solo boring) nerf is just the wrong way to go about it, unfortunately it's that or destroy the reaper even more I guess. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:09 MavercK wrote: i dont feel like this changes are the correct direction blizzard should be heading in. roach range... is fine? people always march roaches up to melee range anyway so that 3 rows of roaches can attack. only thing this will change is roach kiting with stim or reapers... rax requiring a depot sucks to me. sure terran has alot of early game options. but removing them instead of adding options to other races i think is a bad idea. reaper speed at factory, roach range increase. depot before rax. who is ever going to build a reaper. ever again? the only buff i could see roaches needing is their 2 armor back. when they nerfed roaches it was like 2 stages. first stage was a gentle nudge. second stage was like a curb stomp. they should undo the "gentle nudge" changes... also increasing zerg building HP. i dunno. i liked LzGaMeR's suggestion (probably alot of other people's) which was to make marauders +10 armored damage not apply to structures. have to say. im not looking forward to this patch =\ roach range has HUGE implications for pvz.... | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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obnoxkid
United States23 Posts
On October 08 2010 05:02 Champ24 wrote: I don't. The dance he did when he heard about the first round of reaper nerfs made me shutter. LOL! You do know it's not him right? | ||
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