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On March 24 2009 08:52 Mockingbird wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 08:29 Descent wrote:On March 24 2009 08:14 Mockingbird wrote:On March 24 2009 08:01 Schnake wrote:On March 24 2009 07:43 G0dly wrote:
bunch of the authors on the board are leaving. they're pretty pissed. Yeah, for instance here: http://www.authonomy.com/Forum/Posts.aspx?forumId=9&threadId=18910&pageNumber=1It is so entertaining to read all these posts, the anger, the disappointment and the flames. These writers make it seem as if the whole site, forum and community got completely destroyed beyond repair by Klazart and the new members. Instead of increasing their efforts to improve the site, the rating system and the developed relationships, they are simply giving up... -_-a THE AUTHORS DO NOT OWN THE SITE. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE SITE... IT BELONGS TO HARPER COLLINS... WHICH BELONGS TO MR RUPERT MURDOCH, PRESS BARON! It is solely the province of the COMPANY what happens to the site. People are pulling out for a number of reasons. Klaz was merely the catalyst for the decision to leave in some cases. Not the actual cause. To be perfectly honest, a number of members from Authonomy seem to be pulling out or making decisions based upon bad opinions. For example, a lot of Authonomy members seem to just now be learning of 4chan. Just now learning of Anonymous (and using Wikipedia links while they're at it). Thinking that they're being hacked because the site was undergoing maintenance. This isn't the case, and such rationalizations are wrong. Klazart isn't part of Anonymous, and he isn't even from 4chan. When servers are upgraded, interesting things can happen. The work of Authonomy writers is being devalued, it's true, as are their rankings on that site. However, I think it's irrational for them to blow up because of that, never mind blame others. I agree with you, the rankings were flawed from the beginning, and Klazart was the one who exposed that. But this should not necessitate the rash and highly angry pulling out and rejection of events that have transpired by a good number of the authors. I honestly expected more from such individuals. Of course, there are the more level-headed among you too, and I mean no insult to them. To put it purely from my perspective. I've been there six months. I've made some really great friends. I've had a ball, read some fantastic books, and everything was going great until the realisation of the ED. October's Editor's Desk was the first sign that all was not well. November's was worse, December's was worse still. January's ED... positively psychotic. I hardly entered the site, I have enough hassle in rl, I don't need that kind of crap in my escape space. Some of you who have signed up have experienced the Swoop. Bombarded with messages from eager beavers welcoming you to the site and oh by the way please read my book. Once the art of shamelessly plugging your book escaped form the forum... the slippery slope to freefall began. That was before Christmas. I was going to pull out in February. But something changed that, and I decided to stay for a while to bench test my collaboration novel. My writing partner and I want our novel to do well... but it needs a fresh approach. Authonomy is more of the same. And my two other novels could use a fresh approach too. So I'm pulling out because this is the time to go. Klazart has highlighted the issues. But pulling out is my decision which I actually took almost three months ago. To stay would be a mistake.
How would it be a mistake? Mistakes would imply you have something to lose when really you dont. It seems the ultimate goal is getting critics for your book, while the ED seems more an unrealistic fantasy for most. Because you cite the ED as the main problem I dont see its faults a logical reason for your departure. Also you just got a whole army of new critics who are very intelligent that are willing to provide new insights on your works. This seems like one of the best things that could of happend to Authonomy. Even if the old guard leaves who needs them?
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Hope ya don't get sued Klazart
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On March 24 2009 09:01 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 08:52 Mockingbird wrote:On March 24 2009 08:29 Descent wrote:On March 24 2009 08:14 Mockingbird wrote:On March 24 2009 08:01 Schnake wrote:On March 24 2009 07:43 G0dly wrote:
bunch of the authors on the board are leaving. they're pretty pissed. Yeah, for instance here: http://www.authonomy.com/Forum/Posts.aspx?forumId=9&threadId=18910&pageNumber=1It is so entertaining to read all these posts, the anger, the disappointment and the flames. These writers make it seem as if the whole site, forum and community got completely destroyed beyond repair by Klazart and the new members. Instead of increasing their efforts to improve the site, the rating system and the developed relationships, they are simply giving up... -_-a THE AUTHORS DO NOT OWN THE SITE. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE SITE... IT BELONGS TO HARPER COLLINS... WHICH BELONGS TO MR RUPERT MURDOCH, PRESS BARON! It is solely the province of the COMPANY what happens to the site. People are pulling out for a number of reasons. Klaz was merely the catalyst for the decision to leave in some cases. Not the actual cause. To be perfectly honest, a number of members from Authonomy seem to be pulling out or making decisions based upon bad opinions. For example, a lot of Authonomy members seem to just now be learning of 4chan. Just now learning of Anonymous (and using Wikipedia links while they're at it). Thinking that they're being hacked because the site was undergoing maintenance. This isn't the case, and such rationalizations are wrong. Klazart isn't part of Anonymous, and he isn't even from 4chan. When servers are upgraded, interesting things can happen. The work of Authonomy writers is being devalued, it's true, as are their rankings on that site. However, I think it's irrational for them to blow up because of that, never mind blame others. I agree with you, the rankings were flawed from the beginning, and Klazart was the one who exposed that. But this should not necessitate the rash and highly angry pulling out and rejection of events that have transpired by a good number of the authors. I honestly expected more from such individuals. Of course, there are the more level-headed among you too, and I mean no insult to them. To put it purely from my perspective. I've been there six months. I've made some really great friends. I've had a ball, read some fantastic books, and everything was going great until the realisation of the ED. October's Editor's Desk was the first sign that all was not well. November's was worse, December's was worse still. January's ED... positively psychotic. I hardly entered the site, I have enough hassle in rl, I don't need that kind of crap in my escape space. Some of you who have signed up have experienced the Swoop. Bombarded with messages from eager beavers welcoming you to the site and oh by the way please read my book. Once the art of shamelessly plugging your book escaped form the forum... the slippery slope to freefall began. That was before Christmas. I was going to pull out in February. But something changed that, and I decided to stay for a while to bench test my collaboration novel. My writing partner and I want our novel to do well... but it needs a fresh approach. Authonomy is more of the same. And my two other novels could use a fresh approach too. So I'm pulling out because this is the time to go. Klazart has highlighted the issues. But pulling out is my decision which I actually took almost three months ago. To stay would be a mistake. How would it be a mistake? Mistakes would imply you have something to lose when really you dont. It seems the ultimate goal is getting critics for your book, while the ED seems more an unrealistic fantasy for most. Because you cite the ED as the main problem I dont see its faults a logical reason for your departure. Also you just got a whole army of new critics who are very intelligent that are willing to provide new insights on your works. This seems like one of the best things that could of happend to Authonomy. Even if the old guard leaves who needs them?
Mistake also implies that you might have something to gain by following the same track over and over again... which just isn't true. I've been there six months, I want to try something different. HC doesn't really publish the kind of stories that mine are.
And I also want to take back quite a lot of actual writing time. I'm also looking at Indie publishing which takes quite a lot of work to prep. If folk are interested in reading, feel free to contact me via pm, and I'll be happy to share some chapters with you.
Auth had shot it's bolt for me months back, but I stayed once before... I really do think it should be game over this time.
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The Authonomy site seems to be functioning. It's always been slow . . . and still is.
If you're over there and have a question, message me. I'm CarolinaAl on Authonomy.
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Its soo funny, they are all pissed off, its funny how lots of old pseudo writers can get so pissed about theyr abstract ratings in a site that cant even handle decent bandwidth are getting a little crazy.
When in fact, if HC cares anything at all about the site, this is only going to make the site stronger.
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On March 24 2009 08:11 Klaz wrote:
A lot of people are angry, I guess I understand. They thought they had the system worked out, now it seems broken and all their effort seems to be for naught. I don't agree.
If they've been working on their books (as they say their real reason for sticking around is) then they have gained a lot and can continue to do so. One book over taking them in the rankings isn't going to destroy anything.
I think the thing that really kills them, is that they feel that popularity trumps merit. Well, I'd like to think I have merit. Only time will tell.
If you believed in that shit you wouldn't have pulled this stunt.
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Mockingbird, we aren't even directly singling you out -- at least, my post wasn't. Rather, there are more extreme and severe fellow Authonomy members of yours who we are referring to; unfortunately, only a small handful of them have decided to try to engage in discussion outside of their own forum.
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On March 24 2009 09:30 Aphelion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 08:11 Klaz wrote:
A lot of people are angry, I guess I understand. They thought they had the system worked out, now it seems broken and all their effort seems to be for naught. I don't agree.
If they've been working on their books (as they say their real reason for sticking around is) then they have gained a lot and can continue to do so. One book over taking them in the rankings isn't going to destroy anything.
I think the thing that really kills them, is that they feel that popularity trumps merit. Well, I'd like to think I have merit. Only time will tell. If you believed in that shit you wouldn't have pulled this stunt.
Maybe he believes in it after he pulled his stunt
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Just out of curiosity this question is for those who frequent the site. Have the been any success stories like so and so novel went on to be published ect that originated on the site?
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On March 24 2009 09:30 Aphelion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 08:11 Klaz wrote:
A lot of people are angry, I guess I understand. They thought they had the system worked out, now it seems broken and all their effort seems to be for naught. I don't agree.
If they've been working on their books (as they say their real reason for sticking around is) then they have gained a lot and can continue to do so. One book over taking them in the rankings isn't going to destroy anything.
I think the thing that really kills them, is that they feel that popularity trumps merit. Well, I'd like to think I have merit. Only time will tell. If you believed in that shit you wouldn't have pulled this stunt.
Were getting enough hate from them as is lets at least present a unified front lol.
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On March 24 2009 10:43 Kuja900 wrote:
Just out of curiosity this question is for those who frequent the site. Have the been any success stories like so and so novel went on to be published ect that originated on the site?
From what I gather, only one. All of the ranked candidates up until this point, i.e. those who have succeeded to get into the top five of the rankings and thus been reviewed by an editor, have not been published. The one that was published wasn't in the top five at the time of its selection.
Edit: Clarity.
Edit 2: 'been'
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On March 24 2009 10:43 Kuja900 wrote:
Just out of curiosity this question is for those who frequent the site. Have the been any success stories like so and so novel went on to be published ect that originated on the site? That's a good question for some of our Authonomy visitors who I know are reading this thread. Maybe achap can shed some light on this for us.
Wait so the one published wasn't even top five when it WAS published? So a book being in the top five gets a review only and none have gotten on to be published? How often do they hold this vote for top 5 books then...
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On March 24 2009 10:49 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 10:43 Kuja900 wrote:
Just out of curiosity this question is for those who frequent the site. Have the been any success stories like so and so novel went on to be published ect that originated on the site? That's a good question for some of our Authonomy visitors who I know are reading this thread. Maybe achap can shed some light on this for us. Wait so the one published wasn't even top five when it WAS published? So a book being in the top five gets a review only and none have gotten on to be published? How often do they hold this vote for top 5 books then...
I think its once a month, being in the top 5 just gets you reviewed by an editor who will make suggestions/corrections and I guess potentially consider it for publication. Im not sure but I think thats right.
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On March 24 2009 10:45 Descent wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 10:43 Kuja900 wrote:
Just out of curiosity this question is for those who frequent the site. Have the been any success stories like so and so novel went on to be published ect that originated on the site? From what I gather, only one. All of the ranked candidates up until this point, i.e. those who have succeeded to get into the top five of the rankings and thus been reviewed by an editor, have not been published. The one that was published wasn't in the top five at the time of its selection. Edit: Clarity. Edit 2: 'been'
I read around the site a bit and as far as I can tell, the number is at least 3.
But yeah, they haven't been top 5's. Top 5 guarantees you get on the editor's desk, nothing more.
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Sometime tonight klazart is going to breach the top 5
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On March 24 2009 10:57 Kuja900 wrote:
Sometime tonight klazart is going to breach the top 5
Hopefully so. It's always good to get some professional feedback whether the book is good or not.
Also I don't get why some people are so upset about this... Seriously, if you guys wrote a book and had the chance to do the same thing Klazart did, who wouldn't take it? It's easy to act all high and mighty as a forum troll but if you really put a lot of work into something it's only natural to want some professional feedback and reviewing.
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On March 24 2009 11:34 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2009 10:57 Kuja900 wrote:
Sometime tonight klazart is going to breach the top 5 Hopefully so. It's always good to get some professional feedback whether the book is good or not. Also I don't get why some people are so upset about this... Seriously, if you guys wrote a book and had the chance to do the same thing Klazart did, who wouldn't take it? It's easy to act all high and mighty as a forum troll but if you really put a lot of work into something it's only natural to want some professional feedback and reviewing.
Seriously and its not like hes destroying dreams the unlucky guy hel bump out of the top 5 will just have to wait a month boohoo.
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