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ok so I started out 4-6.
note that these were my first 10 games in the last few YEARS..... and i started reading comments about how people thought I would never get past C ROFL!!!!
after those 10 games i started to get the hang of things again, and im IMPROVING every game i play....
I'm 14-2 in my last 16 games, these D+ and c- players are honestly no challenge................ most of my games with them are under 6-7 mins because they are so bad with basic micro/macro skills.
keep in mind this is just my FIRST NIGHT back, my hands still feel like rocks compared to what they used to feel like, I'm sure I wont regain everything until at least a few weeks of playing... but when you easily get to C- on my first night playing in 3 years has the competition really improved all that much OUTSIDE of Korea as you guys say?
in a few days Ill be B ranked....
SaddleS on Iccup...
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i know i speak for everyone when i say, reppack or it didnt happend!
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You probably won't get past C+/B- nowadays.
The skill level has improved drastically, and you have no knowledge of today's builds.
Your going to be mainly getting by with your mechanics.
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you going to play betgames with idra?
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On January 14 2009 22:14 GTR-2-Go wrote:
you going to play betgames with idra?
west gogo op tl-west
got about an hour and 15 minutes
@saddles
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Australia8090 Posts
Not really, the general consensus from the last thread is that you'll breeze into c-/c and meet some solid players and won’t get any higher
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I must agree that the results you're showing are very impressive so far, your attitude not really.
On January 14 2009 22:15 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:14 GTR-2-Go wrote:
you going to play betgames with idra? west gogo op tl-west got about an hour and 15 minutes @saddles
DO THIS
$100 a game at least!!
stream!
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It obviously did happen, check his ICC profile: http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/saddles.html
SaddleS, a few of us agreed that it would be very interesting to read your thoughts about the games you play. You are in a way a phenomenon, former solid player who is picking up the game after a very long break.
Reading a blog about your ICC adventures could possibly be very fun. (you can make a blog here on TL)
Gl man!
(do you want a 1v1 by any chance now? I'm D+ terran)
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Can you release a rep pack?
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cant go on west right now Idra don't have full copy of BW installed, will get one asap because this version is buggy anyway,
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would gladly play you anytime tho idra from what i hear you are very good =p
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On January 14 2009 22:19 JoeSaddles wrote:
would gladly play you anytime tho idra from what i hear you are very good =p
Yea.. just 'very good' ;;
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k iccup channel teamliquid
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The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C
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Calgary25981 Posts
On January 14 2009 22:21 Purind wrote:
The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C
Do you play at B-? These people who talk about B- like anyone can get it are ridiculous. B- is good for this season.
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i wannna sppppppppppppecccccccc
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did you go afk in 1 minute or were you banking on me not getting on iccup?
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Australia8090 Posts
Oh god this is gonna he funny, Idra vs saddels on iccup, saddels is gonna get rooooooooooled
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If idra loses it'll only be because saddles played an abusive toss style anyway. 
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United States12546 Posts
This is great, if he hits B there are so many people who are going to be eating their words. If he doesn't, well....
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On January 14 2009 22:23 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:21 Purind wrote:
The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C Do you play at B-? These people who talk about B- like anyone can get it are ridiculous. B- is UNREAL this season.
Fixed
Edit: By the way Saddles, good job getting to D+, but what you'll probably find is that the skill curve is pretty steep -_-
D-'s are awful, D's are noobs, D+'s are bad, C- is mediocre, and once you start getting above that people start getting good. If you really reach B- (and can hold it) I will be extremely impressed.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Well sounds reasonable that if you were B and now start out on level D that things are gonna be easy -_-
Also can't get on ICC so missing all the epics t.t Live report pls?
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On January 14 2009 22:18 niteReloaded wrote:
SaddleS, a few of us agreed that it would be very interesting to read your thoughts about the games you play. You are in a way a phenomenon, former solid player who is picking up the game after a very long break.
Reading a blog about your ICC adventures could possibly be very fun. (you can make a blog here on TL)
I would really really love to read that and I am sure many others would too. Reading about how you observe the game now after years of inactivity and how you do as you climb the ranks would be definitely interesting. If you are in any way inclined to do something like this I can only encourage it.
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Weren't you the guy who said Protoss FE was a risky play? lol
live repport
pl0x
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Live Report:
IdrA has joined the game.
Saddles has joined the game.
IdrA: So, how does $50 per game on Paypal sound?
Saddles: You didn't tell me these were bet games sorry man maybe later.
Saddles has left the game.
EDIT: So IdrA has left for dinner.
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Australia8090 Posts
Saddles: once i get to like b+ i'll prob start gettting pwned by sick koreans
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On January 14 2009 22:23 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:21 Purind wrote:
The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C Do you play at B-? These people who talk about B- like anyone can get it are ridiculous. B- is good for this season.
No, you are being silly Purind. At the moment, most top foreigners are stuck at B-.
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hahaha, this thread saved my day
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On January 14 2009 22:40 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Live Report:
IdrA has joined the game.
Saddles has joined the game.
IdrA: So, how does $50 per game on Paypal sound?
Saddles: You didn't tell me these were bet games sorry man maybe later.
Saddles has left the game.
EDIT: So IdrA has left for dinner.
lame idra, lame!
we want to see games
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On January 14 2009 22:33 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:23 Chill wrote:On January 14 2009 22:21 Purind wrote:
The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C Do you play at B-? These people who talk about B- like anyone can get it are ridiculous. B- is UNREAL this season. Fixed Edit: By the way Saddles, good job getting to D+, but what you'll probably find is that the skill curve is pretty steep -_- D-'s are awful, D's are noobs, D+'s are bad, C- is mediocre, and once you start getting above that people start getting good. If you really reach B- (and can hold it) I will be extremely impressed.
Exactly, you could get to D+ with a month or two of playing SC @ 15-20 games a week for sure. So to have been a high level before and coming back to it, that makes it much easier. I went back to wc3 after not playing since the year it was released (and even then I only ever played RT 3v3 and 4v4) and am finding the competition on Battle.net pretty weak when I am playing in-form (there are the odd 250+ APM gosu smurf accounts, though).
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B/B- is really hard, I've gotten like B+/A- in previous seasons but I'm more or less stuck at B- now, and I lose it once in awhile too - playing korean hours might be the major cause of it though
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This is fun to watch, hope you can really get B/B- soon but like people have said it won't be easy becaus of the higher level(though i shouldnt say anything as i'm D/D-)
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i gotta go to sleep been up for 24 hours ... and i know my record sucks right now but If I woulda practiced a little before going on ICCUP it'd be a lot better than 18-8.... I went straight on Iccup and started playing after not even playing a newb for the last few years... so I consider my first ten games warmup games which I only won 4 of cuz I was playing so badly.
won 14 of the last 16 tho... and I'm still not playing at the level i expect from myself.. once im back into shape my record will be much better sry for being a n00b my first night back.
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Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though).
That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds
Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps.
Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though).
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Respect Saddles :p
Make a blog please.
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Also i just wanted to say that the lower ranks seem "easy" because it is late in the season.
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On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote:Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though). That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps. Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though).
Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part.
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Ill write up a report today for sure it was fun playing some new players ... but my replays right now are probably horrible im gonna give myself like 3-4 days of practice before posting them, at least until I get to playing some C+ and B- players
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go and fight idra instead
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On January 14 2009 22:57 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote:Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though). That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps. Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though). Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part.
did you ever stop and think as to why the strategies I was using even worked in the first place????
It's because I have much better micro and macro than the person im playing, and I just impose that advantage on them as early as possible in the game... I KNOW that when I get to playing some sick B Koreans I will have to play a more conservative style.....
once I get to playing some real competition then obviously im not gonna win every game simply by out microing them early on, Im well aware of this... I can play 40 minute games.... ive played good competition before.
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On January 14 2009 23:05 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:57 Puosu wrote:On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote:Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though). That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps. Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though). Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part. did you ever stop and think as to why the strategies I was using even worked in the first place???? It's because I have better overall micro and macro skills than the person im playing, and I just impose that advantage on them as early as possible in the game... I KNOW that when I get to playing some sick B Koreans I will have to play a more conservative style..... that's why I crush these newb D+ C- within 8 minutes..... I simply get a probe in their base and its pretty much over frmo there =p once I get to playing some real competition then obviously im not gonna win every game simply by out microing them early on, Im well aware of this... I can play 40 minute games.... ive played good competition before.
i love u joe, i hope u do well, i really do, gonna follow this thread all the way!
u should play idra now, and then play him when u feel ready, it'll be pretty fun to see ur developement
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On January 14 2009 23:05 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:57 Puosu wrote:On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote:Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though). That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps. Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though). Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part. did you ever stop and think as to why the strategies I was using even worked in the first place???? It's because I have better overall micro and macro skills than the person im playing, and I just impose that advantage on them as early as possible in the game... I KNOW that when I get to playing some sick B Koreans I will have to play a more conservative style..... that's why I crush these newb D+ C- within 8 minutes..... I simply get a probe in their base and its pretty much over frmo there =p once I get to playing some real competition then obviously im not gonna win every game simply by out microing them early on, Im well aware of this... I can play 40 minute games.... ive played good competition before.
You really don't understand how much macro and timing has evolved during these years, even the average players study and practice timings so much its sick.
The true macro element of the game does not really come to play until the game is longer than 15 minutes, or at least from there on it starts to really be the main thing. I doubt that the 2004 macro of yours can compete at nowadays standards.
I'm going to owe you a big apologize if you actually succeed in your mission, that would be very very very impressive and even more if you win a game from IdrA when you're ready to play him.
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[QUOTE]On January 14 2009 23:05 JoeSaddles wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 14 2009 22:57 Puosu wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote:
Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though).
That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds
Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps.
Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though).[/QUOTE]
Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part.[/QUOTE]
whats funny is that you actually think me beating everyone i play within 8 minutes a bad thing, when really it just shows that vs these level of players I can just say "im gonna rush u every game and theres nothing u can do against it" because they just cant keep up with early game micro/macro... the only matchup I can't do it in is PvT, no real way to rush that early.
in PvP and PvZ it's very easy to overpower someone who is far less skill level than you, doesnt even matter what build or strategy they use, thats why all my games with them are under 8 mins...
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No it is not a bad thing, far from it!
it shows that your early game skills/strategies still work today very well, but I'm saying that your record of 14-2 or w/e it was is not a proof of real skills at all, the early game rushes stop working regularly as soon as you start playing even a bit better players.
I wonder what you mean by there being no ways to rush in PvT though, most of the protoss I play as terran on ICCup do variations of the many early game timing rushes. Its almost hard to find someone not doing any of these according to my experience at least.
edit: hehe I wonder what happened to the quote there, so messed up! 
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Try not to overestimate your abilities
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I'm so happy that he is stubborn and I hope he continues to be that way, coz I'm enjoying the show. I just love all the drama
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Of course you can beat every bad Zerg by 2-gating every game (on LT?). But it stops working at one point, it's like a giant brick wall. And people playing LT and the likes are generally pretty bad compared to ones playing Destination and such. A lot of sick Koreans play the new maps.
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On January 14 2009 23:21 Shikyo wrote:
Of course you can beat every bad Zerg by 2-gating every game (on LT?). But it stops working at one point, it's like a giant brick wall. And people playing LT and the likes are generally pretty bad compared to ones playing Destination and such. A lot of sick Koreans play the new maps.
This too, almost no good players play Lost Temple any more.
For challenge go play the current Courage League maps (Medusa, Colosseum and Destination), thats where the actual competition is at.
If you feel like its not fair that you have to play on those maps that you're not familiar with you could wait until tomorrow as the new MSL maps will be released as then nobody will have the advantage of knowing the map better.
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Destination is such a pain in the ass map- my experience is that people who host this map are like thrice as good as python or blue storm users- or maybe i just suck at playing the map
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Interesting project, a blog and a few selected reps would rock.
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Russian Federation386 Posts
Gonna keep track of your progress ^^
When will you fight IdrA?
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i think you using outdated builds actually worked in your favor because koreans all follow the most recent builds and not being prepared for your older ones works in your favor. I think if you played durring the day your recordm ight be worse even thought the skill level is worse durring the day, just because the players know the builds you are using
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On January 14 2009 22:11 JoeSaddles wrote:
ok so I started out 4-6.
note that these were my first 10 games in the last few YEARS..... and i started reading comments about how people thought I would never get past C ROFL!!!!
after those 10 games i started to get the hang of things again, and im IMPROVING every game i play....
I'm 14-2 in my last 16 games, these D+ and c- players are honestly no challenge................ most of my games with them are under 6-7 mins because they are so bad with basic micro/macro skills.
keep in mind this is just my FIRST NIGHT back, my hands still feel like rocks compared to what they used to feel like, I'm sure I wont regain everything until at least a few weeks of playing... but when you easily get to C- on my first night playing in 3 years has the competition really improved all that much OUTSIDE of Korea as you guys say?
in a few days Ill be B ranked....
SaddleS on Iccup...
And I'll be quite impressed if you do pass C with less then 45 games played. Im not trying to troll, but lets face it, I AM A COMPLETE NOOB who plays 30 games in half a year or so, sometimes more, I played random this season and got to C without too much trouble and got to C- with 17-2 both losses due to me being random T and geting a P opponent. You constantly bring up the micro/macro issue and yes lower rank players really struggle with it, but believe me when you'll hit C or even in late C- you will be outmicroed and outmacroed. Unless you play a lot of games against currently best US players who are your friends. Don't overestimate yourself, couse under current standarts to me you are on noobie level. Sorry if it was insulting, but It's just my opinion. Bu still good luck, since it's always nice to see some old faces coming back to the game.
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I never doubted you saddles!!!! im your #1 fan!!!
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gj thats a good start man
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On January 14 2009 22:47 Lamentations wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:33 -orb- wrote:On January 14 2009 22:23 Chill wrote:On January 14 2009 22:21 Purind wrote:
The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C Do you play at B-? These people who talk about B- like anyone can get it are ridiculous. B- is UNREAL this season. Fixed Edit: By the way Saddles, good job getting to D+, but what you'll probably find is that the skill curve is pretty steep -_- D-'s are awful, D's are noobs, D+'s are bad, C- is mediocre, and once you start getting above that people start getting good. If you really reach B- (and can hold it) I will be extremely impressed. Exactly, you could get to D+ with a month or two of playing SC @ 15-20 games a week for sure. So to have been a high level before and coming back to it, that makes it much easier. I went back to wc3 after not playing since the year it was released (and even then I only ever played RT 3v3 and 4v4) and am finding the competition on Battle.net pretty weak when I am playing in-form (there are the odd 250+ APM gosu smurf accounts, though).
Should be pretty easy to get 10-0 (europe wc3) and US servers even better scores for average gamer.
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On January 14 2009 23:21 Shikyo wrote:
Of course you can beat every bad Zerg by 2-gating every game (on LT?). But it stops working at one point, it's like a giant brick wall. And people playing LT and the likes are generally pretty bad compared to ones playing Destination and such. A lot of sick Koreans play the new maps.
This.
There isn't even many top foreigners at B or above right now, maybe...15-20 not counting the Chinese, so saying you'll get B in a few days is ridiculous.
Beating D/D+ players on LT in 6 minute games isn't impressive, when you get C- and start playing every game vs Koreans on the Courage maps (Destination, Medusa, Colosseum II) then I'll be impressed. Even if you don't win steadily first them at first, I'll be impressed because thats how you're going to really get good again instead of staying in your little oldschool bubble.
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Uh what a opponents you had, best I saw was 10-2 so far and rest was just D+ or perhaps C- tops. You need more competition, ditch LT and play newer maps.
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United States37500 Posts
#1 thing you need to change (besides your attitude, but I digress...) is the maps you play on. Like chava said, try the Courage maps and get yourself some real perspective. You don't even have to play Koreans!
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Yeh.. I think also, depending on what time of day you play, it makes a HUGE difference.. play at korean times at D+ and they are actually quite decent, enough to block cheese rushes and such normally.. I have school during the day so I only get to play at night and 1 out of every 3 games is vs koreans and they give me some good practice.
Like most people, I'll be surprised if saddles gets B- within January.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
This topic.. haha..
Saddles was decent when he was active, not top foreigner or anything. I don't have much doubt that he's going to go like 70-70 and stick to C or w/e.
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Braavos36375 Posts
i think its funny that he's just like the masses of people that go 10-1 at D+ and project themselves to B in a few days rofl
he has no idea whats coming
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On January 14 2009 23:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 22:47 Lamentations wrote:On January 14 2009 22:33 -orb- wrote:On January 14 2009 22:23 Chill wrote:On January 14 2009 22:21 Purind wrote:
The early ranks are easy. The people saying you can't get past C are being silly. You should be able to reach atleast B- if even clowns like me can get C Do you play at B-? These people who talk about B- like anyone can get it are ridiculous. B- is UNREAL this season. Fixed Edit: By the way Saddles, good job getting to D+, but what you'll probably find is that the skill curve is pretty steep -_- D-'s are awful, D's are noobs, D+'s are bad, C- is mediocre, and once you start getting above that people start getting good. If you really reach B- (and can hold it) I will be extremely impressed. Exactly, you could get to D+ with a month or two of playing SC @ 15-20 games a week for sure. So to have been a high level before and coming back to it, that makes it much easier. I went back to wc3 after not playing since the year it was released (and even then I only ever played RT 3v3 and 4v4) and am finding the competition on Battle.net pretty weak when I am playing in-form (there are the odd 250+ APM gosu smurf accounts, though). Should be pretty easy to get 10-0 (europe wc3) and US servers even better scores for average gamer.
this is so wrong especially for someone who plays 3v3 rt/4v4 rt (unless you're talking about team games and not solo)
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Calgary25981 Posts
Don't worry Saddles, I'll be there to spoonfeed you your words in a few days.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Oh btw, this is blog material. Start a blog.
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Calgary25981 Posts
Bump. Saddles just reset, again.
in a few days Ill be B ranked....
Apparently 70 days is a few days to Saddles. Has he even held C+ for longer than 3 games at this point? -_-
Three days later he posted:
I do believe that in a few weeks of shaking the rust off I will be able to proceed to B or B+.
Well, in 10 weeks you reached C. Nice.
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