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I'm a D/D- terran on ICCUP and TvP is my favorite matchup. I have a friend who's rougly C/C+ who can play any of the races fairly well.
So, one day, we played a TvP and I did a lotta shit wrong and he's like I'll show you how it works, so play P yo. We started a PvT right there. Now, you have to understand that this was probably my first serious game as Protoss (not serious games = stack cannon defense or... what's it called? That game where 2 people make units and one controls them on a battlefield.), so I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.
The map was Katrina, which I recall has a PvT imba 'cause of carriers fucking everything over and... well... I almost won that game. With carriers, yes, but still. My macro was fairly spot on for a newb (I ran out of money in the end because I didn't realize expoing to other mains WASN'T going to leave them defenseless), my micro was good enough I guess that he could never actually push to endgame (I flanked him a few times, oh I'm so proud of myself). Only reason I really lost was because I teched +4 interceptors, sent out about 5-7 carriers and realized HWERE THE FUCK ARE THE EXTRA INTERCEPTORS?!?!?
My evidence for toss being the easiest.
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lol ... poll is bug >
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I laugh at the protoss who picked zerg and terran lol. Your race is easy but there's no shame.
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pretty much every protoss unit is easy to use, stormers are NOT hard to use at all.. At low levels protoss is auto win because you dont need timing like terran and zerg you just have to macro and A move over their army. At high levels it gets super hard thoguh because every player that isnt protoss is super solid with defense so you have to attack weak areas.
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lol, protoss is easiest among noobs, it's a different story when you climb over Crank.. After that I would say zerg is the easiest.
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Tried all 3 races for a long period and with protoss i just can stare more at my units then with terran and zerg
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OP: have you even tried terran/zerg?
i can macro pretty damn well with toss and reached C rank within 6 months of gameplay.
for Terran, it's a different story.
PROTOSS IS EASY NUFF SAID
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
I'm a shitty C/C+ zerg with mediocre mechanics.
Does this mean within 6 months time I can become a B protoss??????
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z is probably not harder than t before you reach pro level and even then its not a big difference if any at all, at any foreigner level T is harder than z. P is easiest of course.
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uh i think some of the people stating which race is weakest should prob also include the race they play. Cause I think I see some bias opinions.
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On January 04 2009 09:19 Azrael1111 wrote:Quick, lock the thread before the protoss show up!
What the hell are you talking about? -__-
Protoss players know that Protoss is the easiest at lower levels. Heck, I played Terran on iCCup and went 3:3 before switching to Protoss and going 7:1 because it's so damn easy.
So we know, Protoss is EZPZ.
At pro level however, Protoss requires a lot of game sense.
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toss is the easiest race for a beginner to play but for an advanced gamer its the hardest race out of all 3
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Because they require less mechanics, at the foreign level Protoss is very easy.
I'm a terran player, with around 260 APM and I lose almost every game on ICCUP. On weeks that I play Toss (off-race mind you) I get to D/D+. Terran just requires really good micro, and I have shit micro. Being able to attack move and get away with it is very nice.
Zerg has difficult macro, so I think a lot of people have difficulty with that. Zerg is the "hardest" just because it's a very different than the other two races.
But at the pro-level when everyone has perfect 300+ apm mechanics it doesn't even matter. It's balanced, slightly favoring Terran imo.
But Protoss is way easier to play.
-I could go to C+ with Toss if I main raced it and learned all the build orders/theory, I have pretty good macro. But Protoss is harder to play because you have to be more creative. Terran can do some variation on 1fac/2fac and just roll over you with pure mechanics. You don't even need to think, trust me. When I get 110 supply, with scans and a decent ball, unless the Protoss gets a perfect flank/perfect mine drag/suprise tech I already won the game. Same thing TvZ. Zerg needs to constantly harass to keep my army from being big enough to just eat their expansions alive. Terran is just mechanics.
Zerg and Protoss have to think, so it's hard at the pro levels. Harder than Terran. However since noobs have shitty mechanics, Protoss is ez.
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This thread may suck, but this is the greatest poll ever.
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On January 04 2009 09:47 Tien wrote:
I'm a shitty C/C+ zerg with mediocre mechanics.
Does this mean within 6 months time I can become a B protoss??????
6 months when i first started the game...
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Lol 236:14:8. I've tried all 3 races, and to me, Protoss is the easiest. Here's why:
Terran:
I can't get the hang of vultures and tanks vs goons and zealots (vultures always die, then zealots always kill the tanks)
A single mistake can cost you big (If a zealot drags mines to your tank)
Terran is actually a bit more expensive than Protoss (Factory 200 min 200 gas vs 150 min, 1 vulture + 1 tank is more than 1 goon and 1 zealot)
Zerg:
You need to sacrifice drones to make buildings
Easily killed
A lot of gas needed for tech
3 Larva might be a lot in early game, but once you reach mid-late game, that might not be enough
Protoss:
Goon's AI fails.
And that's about it. (Storming is hella easy. Just storm where you think the most units will be for the next 3 seconds)
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protoss is easier than the other races concerning micro/macro(timing is pretty much the same all around) and the lower level of play the more advantage protoss have. thats why you see mass cannon allll the time in really noob games, probes multi building solves so many macro problems beginers have, as well as the fact that protoss barely have to worry about unit position(...reaver/shuttle, templar, and....carrier?) iv seen progamers walk armies of zealots into groups of lurkers and pull out with few losses.(just damaged zealots)
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Well I agree on that point. Protoss is the easiest race on a low level.
To any beginner, I would suggest starting Starcraft with Protoss.
Don't get me wrong though - this doesn't justify any "imba!!11"-whining:
The "easiness" applies to low-level play only. As soon as the terrans start pushing efficiently or you get lurker-contained by a zerg, the beginner protoss player will notice that Dragoons/Zealots are just really inefficient compared to the other race's units...
That means:
Playing Protoss on a D- level might be easier than another race... but playing Protoss on C or B level isn't easier than Terran or Zerg by any means.
Or to put it that way:
If you whine about Protoss imbalance "because Protoss is so easy to play", well, then you admit that you obviously suck at Starcraft you just need to improve your skill level.
Regards,
Judicator
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