[QUOTE]On November 03 2003 09:13 Klogon wrote: EvilAngel,
You are being totally ignorant... not call them human? And Japan will kill us all if they had the chance? It seems like the other way around buddy... It seems like YOU want to kill Japan when you get the chance.
Ha, a Japanese wearing Korean dress and talking shit here. Ignorance? Are you talking about ignorance? Go back and asked how japanese killed ur grandfather and raped ur grandmother then come back and talk about ignorance with me, i doubt u r a korean. Knowing nothing about history.
[QUOTE] Comet: Evil Angel: I am sorry but I don't know what has happened in china exactly. Only thing I know is that Japanese empire gloriously marched deep into China, and punished thousands of barbarians. (should I call them "chinese" ?)
You dont know what happened exactly? Go back ask your grandfather!! It's like I killed your father and raped your mother, but I deny it and glorify it, and in the end I said"they just barbarians", wont you hate me? That's why we dont treat u as Human Being, because you people see all the rest of the world as "barbarians". That's why you people should only be in the movies like Aliens or Independence day.
personly i have two feeling like japan people and hate japan nation. these days korea and japan are parter in many ways. actually we may cannot live without each other.
I like japan people. but sometimes although I have good feeling about japan people, I hate japan. because 'they did not reflect really'. I anger why we ask japan's apology. why japan did not apologize themself with real mind? why they say 'we are not killed so many people. we are not rape asian women cause we paid(I have picture japan sodier rape woman and kill). japan had good things in asia many ways.' they say always korea wanted japan's rule.(we did not want. I must choose begger)
they say korea woman wanted sell herself to japan's soldiers and we paid money(actually they didn't paid real money). they say korea man wanted join japan mility(i heard news yesterday one korea man joined japan army for 1 year by force, after independence he have new job. he retires due to age and start clean patriot statue several years with reflection. you can imagine korean's feeling that heard this news)
they say korea old people want work in coal mine, mility airport building. why they say they did not human experiment?(I know human's body'70% is water. but how could know this? because japan 731's experiment. they used a centrifugal separator. they did experiment gun shot to people because one bullet how many people's body can pass.) why they deny all cruel behaviors? How could do say japan's politician, professor and many people say these things on TV in public? I think japan's society approve that things. I think japanese people want say like that. but only couldn't say in public. or they want erase in these things there history. so politicians take that place and can say 'we did good things. we didn't bad things'
ha....... although all these things, korea and japan walk together. may cause this thing japan can say like that things. and may they think apology is japan nation's dishonor... may they can't deny GLORIOUS JAPAN EMPIRE HISTORY.... I am anxious really why? why make korean have these questions?
I am sad that I said these things in BW forum.... I wish japan's behave like adult person... I wish better future between korea and japan..
if this problem will have finished well, korea and japan will be better partner to each other in the future. i hope that days.
ps.. although i write this with dictionary.. many things are incorrect t_t so fogive inaccruate grammar. ^^ i am konglish user t_t
On November 03 2003 09:13 Klogon wrote: EvilAngel,
You are being totally ignorant... not call them human? And Japan will kill us all if they had the chance? It seems like the other way around buddy... It seems like YOU want to kill Japan when you get the chance.
Ha, a Japanese wearing Korean dress and talking shit here. Ignorance? Are you talking about ignorance? Go back and asked how japanese killed ur grandfather and raped ur grandmother then come back and talk about ignorance with me, i doubt u r a korean. Knowing nothing about history.
Haha ok I'm not a Korean! haha think what you want buddy but just know this: you are being no better than the Japanese that you hate so badly by having that attitude. I mean you called them not good enough to be HUMAN. Do you know what that means? That means you think they can be fried, eaten, hit by a car and turned to road kill, and hunted. The Japanese did treat us in the past like animals, but feeling the same way about the innocent decendents (no matter how ignorant) would be no better than what they were... I mean if you truely believed what you said, that means if you had the chance, you'd walk into Japan and do exactly what they did in Nanking? If yes, I have no more words for you.
And yes, my Grandma hate the Japanese. She discourages me from buying anything with a Japanese brand name on it. But in order for the world to move on, we need to settle these differences. First Japan needs to educate their young people better so the other Asians don't get as pissed. And the other Asians need to take steps to stop hating. Personally I think the former needs to happen first in order for any real progress. But others like EvilAngel hating to the extreme also need to chill it or Japan will just get mad and never do it. You can be upset and mad, but don't be in a murderous rage.
I thought I'd just give some matieral for discussion as there really is no "other side" to this arugument besides comet, who admitted to knowing little about it.
On November 03 2003 09:13 Klogon wrote: EvilAngel,
You are being totally ignorant... not call them human? And Japan will kill us all if they had the chance? It seems like the other way around buddy... It seems like YOU want to kill Japan when you get the chance.
Ha, a Japanese wearing Korean dress and talking shit here. Ignorance? Are you talking about ignorance? Go back and asked how japanese killed ur grandfather and raped ur grandmother then come back and talk about ignorance with me, i doubt u r a korean. Knowing nothing about history.
Haha ok I'm not a Korean! haha think what you want buddy but just know this: you are being no better than the Japanese that you hate so badly by having that attitude. I mean you called them not good enough to be HUMAN. Do you know what that means? That means you think they can be fried, eaten, hit by a car and turned to road kill, and hunted. The Japanese did treat us in the past like animals, but feeling the same way about the innocent decendents (no matter how ignorant) would be no better than what they were... I mean if you truely believed what you said, that means if you had the chance, you'd walk into Japan and do exactly what they did in Nanking? If yes, I have no more words for you.
And yes, my Grandma hate the Japanese. She discourages me from buying anything with a Japanese brand name on it. But in order for the world to move on, we need to settle these differences. First Japan needs to educate their young people better so the other Asians don't get as pissed. And the other Asians need to take steps to stop hating. Personally I think the former needs to happen first in order for any real progress. But others like EvilAngel hating to the extreme also need to chill it or Japan will just get mad and never do it. You can be upset and mad, but don't be in a murderous rage.
Have you read what "Comet"(a real japanese youngster) posted yesterday? Ok, let me quote him: "Only thing I know is that Japanese empire gloriously marched deep into China, and punished thousands of barbarians." Who's been ignorant? Clear your mind, and wake up, dont be cheated by them again, are they being nice??!! As for your "that means if you had the chance, you'd walk into Japan and do exactly what they did in Nanking? If yes, I have no more words for you". I never said I will do it, and I wont do it. but I can make you sure, once Japan wants to repeat what they did in WWII, I definitely will fight back the same way. We chinese never want war, but we are also never afraid of war!!! Just a kind remind to you, beware the Japanese, dont let the Occupation happen again. As for my way treat them as non-human being thing, it's my own business, ok? Because of their attitude, ok? And how you treat me as human or non-human, I dont care, ok? But I always see Korean, no matter North or South as good neibour and good friends.I would have forgiven them if they've already admit the crime and appologized. But have they done it yet? they worship those criminals every year, glorify the war, modify the textbook. See what's happened to "Comet",a japanese young guy, he's not alone, all the japanese kids being tought as potential "war criminals"!! Stop dreaming of a friendly neibour-Japan, it was not our friend, it is not our friend, and it will never be our friend. By the way, I do respect your grandma, the real generation who had really experenced the war, who had really seen the crimes!
I thought I'd just give some matieral for discussion as there really is no "other side" to this arugument besides comet, who admitted to knowing little about it.
I'll tell you what, that's the way they try to deny the crime, to show you the "evidence"! And you are going to believe it instead of believe your grandma and the history book????. One thing let me tell you, Nanking was once the capital of China, one of the biggest cities in China of the entire history. And it was the capital of south China during that war! Not more than 200,000 population????? I can be sure that Nanking's population was much more than that even 1000 years ago!! It was capital, a capital of a Five Hundred Million population Country back at that time!! Those orther things, I'm too lazy to explain one by one, so silly, a 5 year kid in China will see that as a joke, and you are going to believe it??????? Read more books, kid, instead of those shit in the Internet!
On November 04 2003 09:16 SeBASTa wrote: EvilAngel
u shouldnt be so mad,history is history not enough to be the reason of hating
Do you read news? Do you know that what a few Japanese students and teacher did in Xi'An last week? Do you know what they are doing in our land recently? It's not just history, it's what they are doing now. Plus, a nation should never forget about history.
Dear lovly EvilAngel... Originally I was going to ignore your posts because I thought you were being only sarcastic.(or being funny...) But since you seem to be so serious I felt like I need to make some explaination. By the way, I dont mind even you misunderstand my personality or hate me. But you're making this little more complex than it should be in stupid ways regardless of whether if you're being serious or sarcastic...
As you can easily see your post of "Last edit: 2003-11-03 04:34:11" saying "Japanese is animate being" and from my view not even willing to converse. I recognized your post as some "pointless shit talking" So, in my post at "November 03 2003 07:49 Posts 5" I said "glorious Japanese Empire punished barbarians" just to play along with ur post. Actually I misunderstood you first, from the recent posts you were serious...
Little off topic though, but I don't think Japanese empire was great or even holy. But honestly I'm not dishornor of it. Japan the small island country once tried to conquer, and rule the whole asia.(failed miserably) Even I think I'm little bit unique or weird. So again you can't judge all the Japanese just by this biased person.(you can't be biased without some knowledge though, regardless of good or not)
Actually there's small group of people on online, who think and discuss the strategy, how to lead axes to victory. It's just romance, nothing more than thinking of alternate story for Starwars episode. But this is just way off the topic. For people(person) who afraid Japan might invade China once again.(you think China is THAT weak???) Though Japan have world 2nd or 3rd navy, Japan can't make military action without United States's permission.(in other word they move when U.S.A orders to) And top of all, you got nuke we don't... (this is just my poor observation)
Some of you might feel fury on me "JAPAN KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND IT WAS A ROMANCE!?" well for "ME" war is nothing more than show on TV.(do you know Japanese anime called "GUNDAM"? it's about war. And look at many movies in U.S.A about war) Yes it has happened in real world. And Japan havn't apologized yet. I don't know why though, Japan should just apologize and get this over with. Diplomacy and respecting Japanese soldiers should be think separated.
I kind of understand I do sound mean and arrogant, but this is my honest words.(honesty is not always virtue in diplomacy world. But I believe it is in person to person) In country wise, it would be good if Japan and Asian country become true-friendly. In actuality, Japan wouldn't be so safe without U.S.A's protection if hostility continues. (then Japan might get bigger military which no Asian country wants not even Japanese)
Weeeell Asians can't forget bad memories so easily true, I can't deny that I have some negative feelings about Asians true. Even in kid's society, there's necessary ways to repair friendships after it's broken. But as you can easily see, one Japanese can't satisfy all the Korean. Or one Korean can't make all the Japanese hate entire Korea. Historical conflict should only kept between Countries not people, This is my opinion.
It's true while I care if Japanese murder Asian now, I don't care how many Asians are being killed during the war. It's true.
p.s. i dont think i could write this without help of electric dictionary i wasnt much of a good student... god my korean and chinese friends were studying so hard...
On November 04 2003 09:16 SeBASTa wrote: EvilAngel
u shouldnt be so mad,history is history not enough to be the reason of hating
Do you read news? Do you know that what a few Japanese students and teacher did in Xi'An last week? Do you know what they are doing in our land recently? It's not just history, it's what they are doing now. Plus, a nation should never forget about history.
...Hey let's make a deal. We arrest those students and a teacher and send them into jail. So in return, you guys arrest at least half of the chinese thieves that are moaning around in Japan, and send them back to where they born.
On November 04 2003 09:16 SeBASTa wrote: EvilAngel
u shouldnt be so mad,history is history not enough to be the reason of hating
Do you read news? Do you know that what a few Japanese students and teacher did in Xi'An last week? Do you know what they are doing in our land recently? It's not just history, it's what they are doing now. Plus, a nation should never forget about history.
...Hey let's make a deal. We arrest those students and a teacher and send them into jail. So in return, you guys arrest at least half of the chinese thieves that are moaning around in Japan, and send them back to where they born.
The nature is so different, aren't there any japanese theives? You know what ur students and teacher did in our country? In an open performance participated by a lot of foreign students and china students. Your students and teacher wearing fake penis and breasts in a disgusting way and highlighting as" this is chinese" to humiliate us in an OPEN PERFORMENCE with all the college students sitting there and watching, chinese, foreigners. I couldn't imagine, in our land, you people could do this kind of thing and what can't you do in your own country? I can't think of any other country's people can do this kind of thing in other country's land, can you?
Comet i want to apologize for dat last comment in ma post cas it wuz outta line. It jus killed me wen u said Japanese were helping Koreans during their occupation. But nowhere in my post did i say that I hate all Japanese people.
It is when a Japanese person defends the brutalities that occurred during the 1910-40 period that i get really annoyed.
I admit I don't have enough knowledge of these history stuffs. But so WHAT? I would be careless if our Holy Japanese Empire have totally dominated poor australia and turned entire country into dust. I would be careless.
First, you're here arguing about Japanese history. A subject which you, and many Japanese, seem to have admittedly little knowledge of.
But you continue to argue. And not care about the terrible things Japan did during the war.
Then you, or Japanese in general, complain about Americans using the a-bomb. But ignore what Japan did.
Good work.
Edit: Change that about not caring, you seem to care. And you glorify it.
I thought I'd just give some matieral for discussion as there really is no "other side" to this arugument besides comet, who admitted to knowing little about it.
I'll tell you what, that's the way they try to deny the crime, to show you the "evidence"! And you are going to believe it instead of believe your grandma and the history book????. One thing let me tell you, Nanking was once the capital of China, one of the biggest cities in China of the entire history. And it was the capital of south China during that war! Not more than 200,000 population????? I can be sure that Nanking's population was much more than that even 1000 years ago!! It was capital, a capital of a Five Hundred Million population Country back at that time!! Those orther things, I'm too lazy to explain one by one, so silly, a 5 year kid in China will see that as a joke, and you are going to believe it??????? Read more books, kid, instead of those shit in the Internet!
I didn't read it except for like 2 paragraphs of it.
Just wanted to show what some of the Japanese people who say "we didn't kill that many people" believe. Nowhere did I say that I agreed with that article.
And yes, comet might be being ignorant, but saying they aren't human is also being ignorant no matter how you put it. But some people won't care, like my grandma, and I'll respect that.
On November 04 2003 17:24 BlackJack wrote: EvilAngel, I hate China because they deny knocking down our spy plane. Fair enough?
Oh ya, your spy plane was spying on us up on our sky, and the collision caused our pilot to die, I couldn't remember who siad" i feel sorry" about this, is that George Bush or Cliton? The one who applogized is you, not us, if it was not your fault, do you think your super-powerful USA would have applogized????? I also couldn't imagine what if some other county's spy plane spying up on ur sky, what'll you do? Btw, I think it's your plane knocked our plane down. I dont wanna discuss the relationship with USA, i think we are ok, maybe we dont like each other so much.
Calling Japanese "non-human being" is as stupid as calling koreans/chinese "barbarians"
Japan not admitting what they did means history could repeat itself, that's why every student in germany gets to know what our country did to others so that this will never happen again
EPT
