ChoboPeon: I think I or we were arguing "why Koreans(Asians) hate Japanese" Originally. I decided to write my first post after reading 6pages worth of "Japanese go to Hell" After I read all, I was mad. Because I thought these people sound like they expect Japan to care what they think, but never expect what Japanese would think of them. So at the beggining, I just wanted to say little opinion of what "I" thought(yea may be I'm just off-topic already in the first place)
Anyways. I understand the hatred comes from history, therefore history plays big role in this topic. But I'm not really here to argue about history. people having different "true-histories" And thus can go forever without stepping closer to eachother.(I can say "ok I'm wrong you're right" just to make you feel better, but does that change "true-history" ?) Seems like you misunderstood me in this. I know Japan did many bad things I'm not denying or refusing to face facts.(not wrong victor creates history whether if it's true or false) I'm not glorifying Japanese history also. However, if I seem to be in your eyes, I can't change your religion. By the way, "Holy Japanese Empire" was irony corresponding to "fucked up emperor"
About A-Bomb. I just pointed it out as great example for my logic "In war, regardless of what one has done, winner is justified"(or may be only U.S.A can be justified?) Actually I'm not even complaining and I don't think many Japanese are.(can't be sure on this though) When I was little, I learned and watched many movies about war. About war that Japan lost to America and whole bunch of Japanese were killed. But I never felt hatred toward U.S.A nor my friends were seemed to. Instead, U.S.A was country we looked up to.(and still is to most of the Japanese) This is mostly the reason, why I thought Korea or asian countries got over with the previous war. And glorifying. Isn't U.S.A infact most proud winner and glorifying great victory of WWII? I see all the U.S.A movies showing about war. In those movies, Asians are like discribed nothing more than some "weirdos" whom you'd feel nothing to shoot them.(actually it's war if you don't shoot them they shoot you...) Eventhen Japanese typical comment on movie pearlharbor was just impression about love-story and beautiful graphics.(well I'm not saying they're not supposed to, I think it's better that they had no hatred toward americans) Ok I'm purely off-topic.
mandalor: Teaching "true-history" to Japanese students. I don't disagree. But as of now, noone knows exactly what has happened allthough history doesn't have to super accurate.(or can not be) And you can't just demand Japanese history books to say "Japanese is cruel bastards" Which is "true history" according to this thread or whatever it might be. By the way do you like your country?
Off topic: You know scary human nature that repeat mistakes over generations. There are kids that smoke cigs evenafter they see a picture of black-lung.(I'm not anti-smoker it's their own risk)
My stance in this argument is simple. Japan should apologize what they've done in the war. But Korea and China also should forgive Japan and make effort to step closer. People from both country should put hatred aside eventhough you can't forget it easily. It benefits both Japan and Korea/China. This is what I believe unless compensation is only profit you can imagine from Japan. then... that's... ridiculous.
I'm hypocrite really. And you can make hypocrite disappointed that's not so hard. But there's reason hypocrite is called as it is not saint.
Sup peeps I'm new here and I want to post a few things. I'm korean but I moved to Russia, Vladivostock when I was 9 and then I moved here in Virginia after 4 years. I know that the japs owned korea after japs annexed korea during 1900's but I don't have any hatred toward against them and I only get pissed off when I read about WW2 history. But we are cool now, we live in a new generation with some angry terrorists in this world. By the way I've learned in Russia that when Japan was losing a war against U.S. and Soviet Union, Soviets murdered more than 2,000 of japanese/chinese people in china when they were advancing into southern region of Manchuria, and guess what the russians have kept it for secret 'till end of cold war. I've seen some japanse/chinese hate Russians after the secret was out, but Koreans weren't ticked off by that and why? because they never got killed or tortured by Russians. You guys must've not known about this but I learned this in Russia and those Russian kids learn that and I have no idea if it's true or false.
On November 04 2003 17:24 BlackJack wrote: EvilAngel, I hate China because they deny knocking down our spy plane. Fair enough?
Oh ya, your spy plane was spying on us up on our sky, and the collision caused our pilot to die, I couldn't remember who siad" i feel sorry" about this, is that George Bush or Cliton? The one who applogized is you, not us, if it was not your fault, do you think your super-powerful USA would have applogized????? I also couldn't imagine what if some other county's spy plane spying up on ur sky, what'll you do? Btw, I think it's your plane knocked our plane down. I dont wanna discuss the relationship with USA, i think we are ok, maybe we dont like each other so much.
RoFL.. You are very very stupid my friend. You honestly think we knocked you down? You obviously know nothing about air planes or else you would know that our big fat spy plane can't maneauver in a way to hit your tiny little jet plane under our left wing. They have footage of the Chinese pilot Holding up a piece of paper with his e-mail adress out of the window of his Jet one time. What kind of a retarded pilot holds up a piece of paper out the window, while they are 20 ft from another jet, that has their e-mail on it? Yeah.. I think that one was our fault.. idiot..
"If it was not your fault, why did you apologize?"
ROFL WHAT AN IDIOT. That truly defines your intelligence. If you are driving down the street, and some retarded kid jumps out in front of your car and gets killed, you aren't supposed to apologize? Only when you drive up on the curb and run a kid over are you supposed to apologize? LoL that is kind of sad.. The U.S. doesn't want to piss off China over a stupid spy plane, even thought we are the ones that should be pissed off because of your idiotic pilot, and your even more idiotic government.
On November 04 2003 17:24 BlackJack wrote: EvilAngel, I hate China because they deny knocking down our spy plane. Fair enough?
Oh ya, your spy plane was spying on us up on our sky, and the collision caused our pilot to die, I couldn't remember who siad" i feel sorry" about this, is that George Bush or Cliton? The one who applogized is you, not us, if it was not your fault, do you think your super-powerful USA would have applogized????? I also couldn't imagine what if some other county's spy plane spying up on ur sky, what'll you do? Btw, I think it's your plane knocked our plane down. I dont wanna discuss the relationship with USA, i think we are ok, maybe we dont like each other so much.
RoFL.. You are very very stupid my friend. You honestly think we knocked you down? You obviously know nothing about air planes or else you would know that our big fat spy plane can't maneauver in a way to hit your tiny little jet plane under our left wing. They have footage of the Chinese pilot Holding up a piece of paper with his e-mail adress out of the window of his Jet one time. What kind of a retarded pilot holds up a piece of paper out the window, while they are 20 ft from another jet, that has their e-mail on it? Yeah.. I think that one was our fault.. idiot..
"If it was not your fault, why did you apologize?"
ROFL WHAT AN IDIOT. That truly defines your intelligence. If you are driving down the street, and some retarded kid jumps out in front of your car and gets killed, you aren't supposed to apologize? Only when you drive up on the curb and run a kid over are you supposed to apologize? LoL that is kind of sad.. The U.S. doesn't want to piss off China over a stupid spy plane, even thought we are the ones that should be pissed off because of your idiotic pilot, and your even more idiotic government.
Please go bury yourself now.
The most stupid guy is you, fellow. That pilot would have risked his life to knock down your plane?? They were on the air, not the street, once collision happens, a big chance they'll die. We are not as stupid as you, so we wouldn't have risked our life and using our tiny plane to knock your big fat stupid spy plane. Stop being stupid and arrogant, since you are the most powerful country, you think you can do anything you want? Spy on our sky, air strike our ambassy, attack iraq without UN's permission? I doubt maybe your IQ is 0. So you are even more stupid than idiot, say you as an idiot will insult idiots. stupid. Please think use your head instead of your penis.
Japan should fully apologize, make sure they're students are taught just like Germany teaches it's students.
If Japan can do this, I think (hope!) the Chinese/Koreans can accept this and also do their part and make a step forward to building a solid relationship...
And as for the two people arguing about the American/Chinese spyplane thing, the American had no right to be there in the first place, as I've heard?
On November 06 2003 16:03 SoleSteeler wrote: Japan should fully apologize, make sure they're students are taught just like Germany teaches it's students.
If Japan can do this, I think (hope!) the Chinese/Koreans can accept this and also do their part and make a step forward to building a solid relationship...
And as for the two people arguing about the American/Chinese spyplane thing, the American had no right to be there in the first place, as I've heard?
On November 04 2003 17:24 BlackJack wrote: EvilAngel, I hate China because they deny knocking down our spy plane. Fair enough?
Oh ya, your spy plane was spying on us up on our sky, and the collision caused our pilot to die, I couldn't remember who siad" i feel sorry" about this, is that George Bush or Cliton? The one who applogized is you, not us, if it was not your fault, do you think your super-powerful USA would have applogized????? I also couldn't imagine what if some other county's spy plane spying up on ur sky, what'll you do? Btw, I think it's your plane knocked our plane down. I dont wanna discuss the relationship with USA, i think we are ok, maybe we dont like each other so much.
RoFL.. You are very very stupid my friend. You honestly think we knocked you down? You obviously know nothing about air planes or else you would know that our big fat spy plane can't maneauver in a way to hit your tiny little jet plane under our left wing. They have footage of the Chinese pilot Holding up a piece of paper with his e-mail adress out of the window of his Jet one time. What kind of a retarded pilot holds up a piece of paper out the window, while they are 20 ft from another jet, that has their e-mail on it? Yeah.. I think that one was our fault.. idiot..
"If it was not your fault, why did you apologize?"
ROFL WHAT AN IDIOT. That truly defines your intelligence. If you are driving down the street, and some retarded kid jumps out in front of your car and gets killed, you aren't supposed to apologize? Only when you drive up on the curb and run a kid over are you supposed to apologize? LoL that is kind of sad.. The U.S. doesn't want to piss off China over a stupid spy plane, even thought we are the ones that should be pissed off because of your idiotic pilot, and your even more idiotic government.
Please go bury yourself now.
The most stupid guy is you, fellow. That pilot would have risked his life to knock down your plane?? They were on the air, not the street, once collision happens, a big chance they'll die. We are not as stupid as you, so we wouldn't have risked our life and using our tiny plane to knock your big fat stupid spy plane. Stop being stupid and arrogant, since you are the most powerful country, you think you can do anything you want? Spy on our sky, air strike our ambassy, attack iraq without UN's permission? I doubt maybe your IQ is 0. So you are even more stupid than idiot, say you as an idiot will insult idiots. stupid. Please think use your head instead of your penis.
rofl what an idiot. they have footage of the guy flying close to planes in the past, acting like an idiot. Just a coincidence that the idiot that hits us is the same guy?
On November 04 2003 17:24 BlackJack wrote: EvilAngel, I hate China because they deny knocking down our spy plane. Fair enough?
Oh ya, your spy plane was spying on us up on our sky, and the collision caused our pilot to die, I couldn't remember who siad" i feel sorry" about this, is that George Bush or Cliton? The one who applogized is you, not us, if it was not your fault, do you think your super-powerful USA would have applogized????? I also couldn't imagine what if some other county's spy plane spying up on ur sky, what'll you do? Btw, I think it's your plane knocked our plane down. I dont wanna discuss the relationship with USA, i think we are ok, maybe we dont like each other so much.
RoFL.. You are very very stupid my friend. You honestly think we knocked you down? You obviously know nothing about air planes or else you would know that our big fat spy plane can't maneauver in a way to hit your tiny little jet plane under our left wing. They have footage of the Chinese pilot Holding up a piece of paper with his e-mail adress out of the window of his Jet one time. What kind of a retarded pilot holds up a piece of paper out the window, while they are 20 ft from another jet, that has their e-mail on it? Yeah.. I think that one was our fault.. idiot..
"If it was not your fault, why did you apologize?"
ROFL WHAT AN IDIOT. That truly defines your intelligence. If you are driving down the street, and some retarded kid jumps out in front of your car and gets killed, you aren't supposed to apologize? Only when you drive up on the curb and run a kid over are you supposed to apologize? LoL that is kind of sad.. The U.S. doesn't want to piss off China over a stupid spy plane, even thought we are the ones that should be pissed off because of your idiotic pilot, and your even more idiotic government.
Please go bury yourself now.
The most stupid guy is you, fellow. That pilot would have risked his life to knock down your plane?? They were on the air, not the street, once collision happens, a big chance they'll die. We are not as stupid as you, so we wouldn't have risked our life and using our tiny plane to knock your big fat stupid spy plane. Stop being stupid and arrogant, since you are the most powerful country, you think you can do anything you want? Spy on our sky, air strike our ambassy, attack iraq without UN's permission? I doubt maybe your IQ is 0. So you are even more stupid than idiot, say you as an idiot will insult idiots. stupid. Please think use your head instead of your penis.
rofl what an idiot. they have footage of the guy flying close to planes in the past, acting like an idiot. Just a coincidence that the idiot that hits us is the same guy?
Oh, talking about flying close, why your spy plane up on our sky, if you were not spying on us, why would us have flown close to you? If I peeping your mother shower, what will you do? Again, think by your head, not your penis.
Khan_Temuzyn: I consider jap as offensive word only when it's said by american or white people, since the word meant to express negative feeling during the war. So you Korean(gook) feel offended everytime someone calls you "Korean" instead of "Corean"? Though it was funny when represenative from North Korea kept using "jap" in the United Nations then walked away. It didn't make me mad, I only scoffed at North Korea's desperate attempt to draw Japan's attention. (everything involved with North Korea is a stupid comedy) Well I know North and South Korea are 2different country. Koreans are so "advanced" enough that, they can separate their land into half and start shooting at your own race. That is something Japanese would never think of.
For your incredible history knowledge... who the hell here talking about that far back. Mostly we're talking about incident that occured during WWII not stone age. I can find some Japanese who can explain in details how Japanese Empire and modernized army owned uncivilied aborigine, and liberated such a primitive land. For what? just to piss you off just like you tried on me. By the way you spent entire paragraph to say nothing more than guy saying "N00b you were lucky to beat me in our last game cuz my mouse SUCKED" in game. Sorry I couldn't see nothing else other than you gilding your old old history. May be you should stop using your "advanced language" when you're trying to communicate with average person like me. ...or you're just mad because not all the Asians are cursing on Japanese like you think they're supposed to?
About imperial family could be rooted in Korean emperor or not, no idea. But you know "THIS" is exactly why some of Japanese hate koreans. Koreans play Japanese sport "Kendo" But since Koreans hate Japanese things, they're trying to steal it by creating their own "Kumdo" Which is nothing different from kendo other than how they dress, and started to clime as it's their OWN. I mean Japanese brough spice to Korea that needs to make kimchi, but Japanese never say "kimchi is Japanese food"(impossible you say? well there are Koreans that say "sushi is ours" ) Some Japanese call Korean "country of copy and thief" because Some Koreans think every good thing Japan have have to be Korean's.
Off topic: Just as I'm writing this, I just read news article about baseball game between Korea and Taiwan. Korea lost then in article(written by Korean) says Koreans blaming on judge like "JUDGE WAS TOTALLY ****ED UP" I went to online forum to see what the Japanese responses would be and saw "KOREA AGAIN" which was expected.
SoleSteeler: I know I agree. So far the problems I see are, Schools are not teaching about history between Korea.(and people who care about war are, typically the type of people that like to discuss about battles against U.S.A) And government seems to avoid this topic.(while back, government said they should take time to teach patriotism in schools. People on TV were arguing "ok government just wanna create people who happily die for the government" Argument disappeared after few weeks) Sadly some of our top do not seem to respect Asian countries much. Our prime minister visited Yasukuni Temple when Korea and China dared not to. Governor Ishihara is not so friendly to Korea.(may be he doesn't mean so negative... but he should be more careful) Well I hope things go in better way and we need to make effort.
I thought the idea of Samurai came from korea way back in the year, which they called themselves Samurang or Hwarang something like that... that is probably the reason why koreans play Kumdo or kendo
On November 06 2003 17:14 BlackJack wrote: IT ISNT YOUR SKY IDIOT WE WERE ALLOWED TO FLY THERE YOU WERENT ALLOWED TO RUN INTO US USE COMMON SENSE PLEASE
Right, I'm allowed to stand in front of your house and peep your mother shower from your STUPID COMMON SENSE. And btw, our battle plane is not zerg's scouge, he wouldn't have knocked you down in the price of his life, if he wanted, he could just shoot you idiot down. This is COMMON SENSE. stupid.
On November 06 2003 17:14 BlackJack wrote: IT ISNT YOUR SKY IDIOT WE WERE ALLOWED TO FLY THERE YOU WERENT ALLOWED TO RUN INTO US USE COMMON SENSE PLEASE
Right, I'm allowed to stand in front of your house and peep your mother shower from your STUPID COMMON SENSE. And btw, our battle plane is not zerg's scouge, he wouldn't have knocked you down in the price of his life, if he wanted, he could just shoot you idiot down. This is COMMON SENSE. stupid.
Man I have never seen someone so freaking stupid in all my life. "WE COULD HAVE JUST SHOW YOU DOWN!" OMFG THAT IS REALLY SAD...............................
You are very very stupid....
Spy Planes don't fly over the country. They stay over international water and are able to electronically eavesdrop on other countries. IN INTERNATIONAL AIR SPACE NOT OVER THE COUNTRY. BOATS CAN DO THE SAME THING. EVERY SUPER POWER ON THIS PLANET DOES IT. KOREA DOES IT. CHINA DOES IT. RUSSIA DOES IT. PEOPLE DO IT TO AMERICA, AMERICA DOES IT TO PEOPLE. YOU ARE SO FREAKING STUPID, I DON'T KNOW IF I AM GETTING THROUGH TO YOU OR NOT. ARE THE CAPS HELPING? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY COUNTRY DOES THIS, AND THAT WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO SHOOT PEOPLE DOWN? YOU IDIOT.
On November 06 2003 17:14 BlackJack wrote: IT ISNT YOUR SKY IDIOT WE WERE ALLOWED TO FLY THERE YOU WERENT ALLOWED TO RUN INTO US USE COMMON SENSE PLEASE
Right, I'm allowed to stand in front of your house and peep your mother shower from your STUPID COMMON SENSE. And btw, our battle plane is not zerg's scouge, he wouldn't have knocked you down in the price of his life, if he wanted, he could just shoot you idiot down. This is COMMON SENSE. stupid.
Man I have never seen someone so freaking stupid in all my life. "WE COULD HAVE JUST SHOW YOU DOWN!" OMFG THAT IS REALLY SAD...............................
You are very very stupid....
Spy Planes don't fly over the country. They stay over international water and are able to electronically eavesdrop on other countries. IN INTERNATIONAL AIR SPACE NOT OVER THE COUNTRY. BOATS CAN DO THE SAME THING. EVERY SUPER POWER ON THIS PLANET DOES IT. KOREA DOES IT. CHINA DOES IT. RUSSIA DOES IT. PEOPLE DO IT TO AMERICA, AMERICA DOES IT TO PEOPLE. YOU ARE SO FREAKING STUPID, I DON'T KNOW IF I AM GETTING THROUGH TO YOU OR NOT. ARE THE CAPS HELPING? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY COUNTRY DOES THIS, AND THAT WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO SHOOT PEOPLE DOWN? YOU IDIOT.
that is all.
Alright, since we cannot shoot you down, then we'll definitely KNOCK you DOWN?? Oh, and I'm sorry, our government being stupid, they forgot it needs TWO scouge to kill a Since Vessel. Dont compare our intelligence with your 0 IQ! Maybe you think all the countries should wave their slogan "welcome you mighty US spy plane spy on us"! So next time remember open your house' window when somebody peeping your mother shower. Again, say you as an idiot will insult idiots' intelligence.
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