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PGS.Marine
Poland303 Posts
On May 02 2008 05:53 wswordsmen wrote: Has anyone considered just swallowing their pride and apologizing for all transgressions regardless of whether Baezzi is right or wrong? can anyone pour some vodka for this gentleman ? | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 02 2008 05:47 Ancestral wrote: Okay, race and rape are very sensitive matters, but I wouldn't get bent completely out of shape if there was a newspaper that apparently showed some statistics in Canada (our mortal enemy, they burned down the White House) were favorable over those in the U.S. (there are lots of these figures), and in this case, EVERYONE was saying the statistics for Japan weren't even true, so there was no insult to Korean whatsoever. You completely missed what I said. I never said he was "right". It's just that it's totally pointless to continue to call him immature and insult him, even if you think (or know) you're right. I simply gave an example of what might explain his outrage that may not be immediately apparent (he says he was mainly pissed that a Japanese person, Haji, created the thread, not at the rest of the comments). Sometimes it's best to keep your thoughts to yourself because: A) You are not him, and you have no idea what he's really thinking B) Anger often makes people not think logically C) There's a huge language barrier D) What good could possibly come out of further insulting him? I'll just give another example. Let's say you catch your best friend's dad making a racially charged remark about black people (or whoever). Do you go up to your friend and tell him "your dad is a bigot, he's immature" or start spreading that rumor around? No, in the real world you often keep sensitive issues to yourself even if you know you're right. This false sense of "pride" people seem to get from simply insulting him is actually just as much a sign of immaturity. | ||
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ProTech_MediC
United States498 Posts
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. | ||
KwarK
United States42692 Posts
On May 02 2008 05:53 wswordsmen wrote: Has anyone considered just swallowing their pride and apologizing for all transgressions regardless of whether Baezzi is right or wrong? Personally I can't see anyone profiting from this feud, and I don't see any advantage for anyone at TL to keep it going. (quick disclaimer I read the thread I know it was a misunderstanding and no one is angry at him, that is half my point) So why don't you just surrender it will be the best thing for everybody involved. Let him think what he wants and never ever bring up the subject again. When it started it was a misunderstanding. A misunderstanding caused by BaeZZi assuming that haji was part of an imperialist Japanese American group out to slander Korea but a misunderstanding none the less. However a great many people tried to explain very simply to BaeZZi in several languages that when Live2Win said we ip ban racists he meant that there would be no racist slurs against Korea and not that Live2Win for some reason believed BaeZZi to be a racist and was therefore threatening him. He instead chose to believe that these people were part of the aforementioned Japanese conspiracy and were all lying to cover for tl members and diffuse the issue. Instead of doing a rational, if also totally delusional thing, and bitching around in general or even pming Mani and whining he decided to prove to tl that he could bring them to their knees. I am angry at BaeZZi, this was not a misunderstanding. If he'd gotten all defensive and bitchy that'd be a misunderstanding. Instead he is actively choosing to believe in a tl wide Japanese conspiracy theory based around demeaning Korea and trying to keep him providing vods. Because of this denial of basic logic he is waging a one sided (we still haven't banned him for some reason) war on tl. He has crossed the Rubicon. | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
On May 02 2008 02:31 Kwark wrote: This whole situation is ridiculous. He's being ridiculously childish. I appreciate all he has done for the site but acting out like this is a bannable offence at tl. It's comments like this why he left. If you read the vid, he says that during the argument people were acting like he was being childish. I think it was because he perceived people were mocking his reaction more than the misunderstanding itself. | ||
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
he seems childish but i appriciate his work | ||
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KwarK
United States42692 Posts
On May 02 2008 06:11 f10esqftw wrote: It's comments like this why he left. If you read the vid, he says that during the argument people were acting like he was being childish. I think it was because he perceived people were mocking his reaction more than the misunderstanding itself. So, he disabled vods for a huge starcraft community because people on teh intarwebz called him names. And not even rude names. Which part of this were you convincing me he wasn't childish in? I mean seriously, a twenty-something year old taking the "if I can't have it my way I'm taking my ball home with me" line. | ||
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Jimtudor
Canada259 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
http://server.blinkyou.com/popularimages/image_bank/special olympics win retarded.jpg | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On May 02 2008 06:22 teamsolid wrote: Kwark, it does NOT matter if he is right or wrong. There is nothing to be gained from continuing to insult Baezzi. Tell me, what exactly do you "win" from winning a war on the Internet? epropz | ||
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KwarK
United States42692 Posts
On May 02 2008 06:22 teamsolid wrote: Kwark, it does NOT matter if he is right or wrong. Unless you for some reason actually hate Baezzi, there is nothing to be gained from continuing to insulting him. Tell me, what exactly do you "win" from winning a war on the Internet? Nothing. To be honest what I've said in this thread hasn't been aimed to insult. If I wanted to insult him I'd send him rude messages on youtube or make insulting comments on there. What I've been doing is arguing that BaeZZi has been deliberately confrontational and extremely childish out of a mixture of misplaced nationalism and excessive self importance. I don't hate him, I think he should be banned from tl like every other poster like him. None of my posts here have been directed at BaeZZi, they have been to attempt to convince people who try and justify his actions that they really are indefensible and that tl really has no choice now but to ban him. | ||
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KwarK
United States42692 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 02 2008 06:28 Kwark wrote: Nothing. To be honest what I've said in this thread hasn't been aimed to insult. If I wanted to insult him I'd send him rude messages on youtube or make insulting comments on there. What I've been doing is arguing that BaeZZi has been deliberately confrontational and extremely childish out of a mixture of misplaced nationalism and excessive self importance. I don't hate him, I think he should be banned from tl like every other poster like him. None of my posts here have been directed at BaeZZi, they have been to attempt to convince people who try and justify his actions that they really are indefensible and that tl really has no choice now but to ban him. Since he clearly reads TL.net (which is how he found the article in the first place), posting insulting comments about him on TL is about the same as making comments on his YouTube acct. You keep justifying your actions by saying how his reactions were "misplaced". But, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, because the only thing you gain from insulting him is inflating your own pride/ego. Anyways, I'm done with this. | ||
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KwarK
United States42692 Posts
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chamois
Canada21 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
bye! | ||
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KwarK
United States42692 Posts
On May 02 2008 06:38 chamois wrote: I understand the ban I guess if he was arguing with mods after they told him to stop, but what part of that calls for an ip ban? He was engaging in a one sided argument with Live2Win. BaeZZi accused the article of racism. Live2Win said that tl had a zero tolerance policy on racism. BaeZZi read that as tl has a zero tolerance policy on BaeZZi and said that he was above the law and that he'd withdraw the vods if threatened. Live2Win explained that he didn't mean BaeZZi. BaeZZi made an ultimatum to Live2Win. Various other koreans explained in korean that he didn't mean BaeZZi. BaeZZi accused them of being part of a conspiracy to diffuse the situation and insisted that his honour had been tainted by this threat to ban him. He ordered Live2Win to drop the subject and Live2Win closed the topic in an attempt to limit the damage. Because this of this 'threat to ban him' BaeZZi felt that he was undervalued and that he needed to carry out his threats to force us to give him a status above the law. He disabled the vods in the small vod thread and the TLPD. BaeZZi is still not banned, there is no way he can still rationally believe he was threatened with a ban and yet he has still declared a one sided war on teamliquid. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On May 02 2008 05:58 PGS.Marine wrote: can anyone pour some vodka for this gentleman ? If you can prove that he'll actually take the apology as such rather than ignoring me or blocking me, I have no issues retracting all that I have said on the thread in question. If that's enough to appease him, then that's a cheap price for me as an individual to pay. | ||
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Squallcloud
France466 Posts
 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accomodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions. But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply IP ban you. If we're really pissed off, then we IP ban you AND nuke every single post you've uploaded to the site - ever. It will be as if you had never existed here. This is our house. You've been warned. Also Rule number 2 2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE Common sense, people, common sense. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (And if you happen to be into masochism, then you're at the wrong site, anyway.) [...] There are also a number of Rules of Posting in our forums. Take the time to observe and learn them. There are way too many to recite here, but the following are a few important examples: - Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched. - Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass. - Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members ? and we sure as hell would like to keep them! [...] Rule number three not bad too ^^ 3. THOU SHALL THINK BEFORE POSTING Please, think before you chime in with your opinion on a given post or series of posts. There will usually be some history behind a given exchange in our forums, so take the time to observe what might really be going on and put the conversation into context before you decide who's "right" and who's "wrong." Above all, take into account who is posting - context is everything. Chirping in with your grossly uninformed opinions will only make you look dumb and irritate the heck out of the people who do know what's going on. We can't tell you how many little kids we've ripped to shreds because they reacted first instead of thinking. The absolute worst examples are overzealous pinheads who automatically react with righteous indignation when an Admin bans someone for posting something that, to them, seems innocuous - never thinking that we could be banning that guy for a whole bunch of other things and that this may just have been the final straw. There's a reason why we do the things we do around here. And please don't try to be Freud or Jung. Don't second-guess the motives for why someone wrote something. Only the author knows for sure the "whys." Respond to what's written. Avoid responding with comments filled with half-baked psychoanalytical presumptions about the poster?s imputed agenda or their psych profile. So, for example, when someone writes a detailed post outlining his/her strategy for countering a tank push, feel free to respond to or even criticize the content of the original post - but don't write about how the guy's just trying to impress everyone with his/her knowledge because of an inferiority complex! You don't know that and no one cares. Stop psychoanalyzing - you don't have a license to practice. Maybe Baezzi should read them again :p | ||
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