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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 01 2008 20:08 GMT
#141
On May 02 2008 05:05 LordWeird wrote:
We should just all stop crawling in Baezzi's skin.
<_<

i loled
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
May 01 2008 20:08 GMT
#142
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44151 Posts
May 01 2008 20:13 GMT
#143
On May 02 2008 05:08 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.

I think things have progressed too far for that. He has shown himself to be a petulant attention whore who believes his contributions make him outrank mods. Furthermore he has pretty much ruined the vod section of the TLPD. For two very senior tl members to apologise to him and for tl to just ignore his offences will make him unmanageable. The guy got upset over nothing and then went on a crazy power trip, believing himself to be too valuable to lose. Feeding that will only make things worse.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
May 01 2008 20:16 GMT
#144
Soooooo getting that youtube account back ASAPly? Getting the new VODs rolling in without him seems like a good idea.
Nak Allstar.
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
May 01 2008 20:19 GMT
#145
On May 02 2008 04:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
need elmo sign

[image loading]
Here ya go buddy, TL is all about love and understanding. I love china brother.
Listen to The Special One
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 20:36:43
May 01 2008 20:20 GMT
#146
On May 02 2008 03:53 yoshtodd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 03:28 Kwark wrote:
On May 02 2008 03:07 Physician wrote:
I will not judge him but for what he has already done for all of us, which is has been great; I enjoyed many of his uploaded vods. Ultimately its his choice and his effort.
Even if there was a misunderstanding these happen way too often and too easily with online text communications to justify calling him "ridiculously stupid" or "childish" by people who don't even know him or know exactly what happened.

I take that as a reference to me given I said both of those. So firstly, I read the entire situation and made sure I didn't misunderstand. He is being childish. The situation is ridiculously stupid. Debate those if you wish but you will lose. Secondly, given your stance of not judging him on the current situation is laughable I recommend that perhaps you read the topic in question before voicing an opinion. Your stance is like trying to debate the morals of the Iraq war without looking at any events past the 1420s. And then you have the nerve to suggest that perhaps we don't know enough to pass judgement.


Even if you think he's being childish, and the situation stupid, it doesn't mean you have to say so. When a person is angry they tend to be less rational, and they will respond pretty hotly to words like "stupid", "ridiculous", and "childish". Sometimes it benefits all parties more if you don't voice your criticism, even though you are "right". I don't think it matters much now though doesn't look like he'll be coming back. Not everything in life is a win lose debate... I think Physician made some good points, and so have you. No need to posture as being superior.

Exactly. Think a bit before you keep calling him "childish". I think there's obviously a deep background and reason for Baezzi's outrage. Maybe one of his grand parents or relatives was raped or killed by a Japanese soldier during WW2. The point is that, YOU DON'T KNOW! Race, country, rape are all very sensitive matters.

When there's already a language barrier, making more of these kinds of remarks towards him only fuels the flames. Even if you think (or even know) you're right, learn to keep it to yourself. I think the people who are calling him "childish" are the ones who are actually immature.

This is why politically/racially sensitive material is avoided on the MSM. Sometimes, even perfectly valid points can easily be misinterpreted into racial attacks.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
May 01 2008 20:23 GMT
#147
whats he bitching about, Japan is a better country anyways!
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
May 01 2008 20:31 GMT
#148
On May 02 2008 05:23 CultureMisfits wrote:
whats he bitching about, Japan is a better country anyways!


lolllllllllllllllll
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 20:32:39
May 01 2008 20:31 GMT
#149
On May 02 2008 05:08 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.


what the hell man, how are you going to apologize for a bloody opinion. BaeZZi acted like an ass getting offended on a discussion about certain topic. If you read TL.net commandments it is forbidden to make any racist/sexist etc marks. There were none. BaeZZi just got offended by nothing and then become fucking stubborn even though the admins were kind trying to explain the situation and he just dissmissed them.

hell even he broke the fucking rules when he started posting in korean. There are a bunch of non-koreans here that dont speak korean, and yet he posts in the forum in a non official language, who does he think he is to break the bloody rules? if he's gonna post, he shoulda post in english or if he cant speak english he should've asked for translation i dont know...

admins here acted more mature than him, its his fault if he doesnt want to come. about the retaliation of the embeded vods: it just says about his childish reaction.

oh btw as if rape was a bad topics, there has been a bunch of touchy topics on the general forum and i dont think it has ever happened what just happened.
Teamliquidian townie
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
May 01 2008 20:34 GMT
#150
Korean people absolutely HATE HATE HATE it when japanese people badmouth their country. I remember one time my Dad read in a korean newspaper that japanese people were messing with some korean history texts or something, and he wouldn't let me watch anime for like 2 months.
FOOL! Pain is my friend! Now let me introduce you to it!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
May 01 2008 20:35 GMT
#151
it's not like he's closed the youtube account, at least. how many watch the vods embedded here anyway?

I always just got them from my youtube subscriptions...
StripedBlueCrow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States506 Posts
May 01 2008 20:37 GMT
#152
On May 02 2008 05:13 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 05:08 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.

I think things have progressed too far for that. He has shown himself to be a petulant attention whore who believes his contributions make him outrank mods. Furthermore he has pretty much ruined the vod section of the TLPD. For two very senior tl members to apologise to him and for tl to just ignore his offences will make him unmanageable. The guy got upset over nothing and then went on a crazy power trip, believing himself to be too valuable to lose. Feeding that will only make things worse.


Reading everything now, I totally agree with you. He was giving us VODs (which was very kind), but now he's using all of these past youtube vids as a leverage to get back at us.
Ransom notes keep falling out your mouth.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 20:45:14
May 01 2008 20:39 GMT
#153
On May 02 2008 05:34 blagoonga123 wrote:
Korean people absolutely HATE HATE HATE it when japanese people badmouth their country. I remember one time my Dad read in a korean newspaper that japanese people were messing with some korean history texts or something, and he wouldn't let me watch anime for like 2 months.

Same with Chinese people.
tttt
Profile Joined February 2008
United States386 Posts
May 01 2008 20:40 GMT
#154
On May 02 2008 02:31 Kwark wrote:
This whole situation is ridiculous. He's being ridiculously childish. I appreciate all he has done for the site but acting out like this is a bannable offence at tl.


I agree. I really enjoy his vods and appreciate all the work he's put in, but this is just too much. Is this some kind of a joke or is he just extraordinarily immature?
PGS.Marine
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Poland303 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 20:50:34
May 01 2008 20:44 GMT
#155
Hope Baezzi will not end like Bey
[image loading]


and BTW BaeZZi I love you very much - I am just extremly impressed by the effort that you have put to let us watch extraordinary Starcraft matches.
Doh Jae Wook!~~ // http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1808/elaczekpa1.jpg
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
May 01 2008 20:45 GMT
#156
On May 02 2008 05:35 talismania wrote:
it's not like he's closed the youtube account, at least. how many watch the vods embedded here anyway?

Tried the TLPD much?
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 01 2008 20:47 GMT
#157
On May 02 2008 05:20 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 03:53 yoshtodd wrote:
On May 02 2008 03:28 Kwark wrote:
On May 02 2008 03:07 Physician wrote:
I will not judge him but for what he has already done for all of us, which is has been great; I enjoyed many of his uploaded vods. Ultimately its his choice and his effort.
Even if there was a misunderstanding these happen way too often and too easily with online text communications to justify calling him "ridiculously stupid" or "childish" by people who don't even know him or know exactly what happened.

I take that as a reference to me given I said both of those. So firstly, I read the entire situation and made sure I didn't misunderstand. He is being childish. The situation is ridiculously stupid. Debate those if you wish but you will lose. Secondly, given your stance of not judging him on the current situation is laughable I recommend that perhaps you read the topic in question before voicing an opinion. Your stance is like trying to debate the morals of the Iraq war without looking at any events past the 1420s. And then you have the nerve to suggest that perhaps we don't know enough to pass judgement.


Even if you think he's being childish, and the situation stupid, it doesn't mean you have to say so. When a person is angry they tend to be less rational, and they will respond pretty hotly to words like "stupid", "ridiculous", and "childish". Sometimes it benefits all parties more if you don't voice your criticism, even though you are "right". I don't think it matters much now though doesn't look like he'll be coming back. Not everything in life is a win lose debate... I think Physician made some good points, and so have you. No need to posture as being superior.

Exactly. Think a bit before you keep calling him "childish". I think there's obviously a deep background and reason for Baezzi's outrage. Maybe one of his grand parents or relatives was raped or killed by a Japanese soldier during WW2. The point is that, YOU DON'T KNOW! Race, country, rape are all very sensitive matters.

When there's already a language barrier, making more of these kinds of remarks towards him only fuels the flames. Even if you think (or even know) you're right, learn to keep it to yourself. I think the people who are calling him "childish" are the ones who are actually immature.

This is why politically/racially sensitive material is avoided on the MSM. Sometimes, even perfectly valid points can easily be misinterpreted into racial attacks.

Okay, race and rape are very sensitive matters, but I wouldn't get bent completely out of shape if there was a newspaper that apparently showed some statistics in Canada (our mortal enemy, they burned down the White House) were favorable over those in the U.S. (there are lots of these figures), and in this case, EVERYONE was saying the statistics for Japan weren't even true, so there was no insult to Korean whatsoever.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
May 01 2008 20:50 GMT
#158
On May 02 2008 03:24 TehKris wrote:
I love BaeZZi. He's not overreacting, Live2Win is a cockhead!

Long LIVE BAEZZI!

whoever banned him, he was being sarcastic. why cant you people read through that? really. -_-;
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
May 01 2008 20:53 GMT
#159
Has anyone considered just swallowing their pride and apologizing for all transgressions regardless of whether Baezzi is right or wrong?

Personally I can't see anyone profiting from this feud, and I don't see any advantage for anyone at TL to keep it going. (quick disclaimer I read the thread I know it was a misunderstanding and no one is angry at him, that is half my point)

So why don't you just surrender it will be the best thing for everybody involved. Let him think what he wants and never ever bring up the subject again.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 20:54:34
May 01 2008 20:53 GMT
#160
On May 02 2008 05:31 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 05:08 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.


what the hell man, how are you going to apologize for a bloody opinion. BaeZZi acted like an ass getting offended on a discussion about certain topic. If you read TL.net commandments it is forbidden to make any racist/sexist etc marks. There were none. BaeZZi just got offended by nothing and then become fucking stubborn even though the admins were kind trying to explain the situation and he just dissmissed them.

hell even he broke the fucking rules when he started posting in korean. There are a bunch of non-koreans here that dont speak korean, and yet he posts in the forum in a non official language, who does he think he is to break the bloody rules? if he's gonna post, he shoulda post in english or if he cant speak english he should've asked for translation i dont know...

admins here acted more mature than him, its his fault if he doesnt want to come. about the retaliation of the embeded vods: it just says about his childish reaction.

oh btw as if rape was a bad topics, there has been a bunch of touchy topics on the general forum and i dont think it has ever happened what just happened.



One thing wrong here,
Live2Win posted in Korean first, even admitting he didn't have a good grasp on the Korean written language [ which was apparent to any of us who could read it ]

There's nothing wrong with posting in a shared native tongue if it helps to clear up something or explain a complex idea.

People who aren't involved need to calm down. Just cuz you view TLPD VODs doesn't mean you get the right to start finding new reasons for BaeZZi to get banned.
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