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ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 22:49:54
May 01 2008 22:47 GMT
#241
Can someone post how to get access to the VOD's and where to download them? I have an old account, and I can help chip in on certain things if it comes to that.

edit: Like the "oskyloveo" site.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 01 2008 22:48 GMT
#242
On May 02 2008 07:42 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 07:36 Bill307 wrote:
On May 02 2008 07:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:
On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:
On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:
On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.

bye!

Peh.

Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching
VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi

Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did?
Answer: Probably not.

Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi
Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution.

It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself."

This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him.

And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident.

He randomly decided to take up this job for us. He helped the transfer of Starcraft in Korea to us foreigners. I would put his relative "worth" above moderators, admins, and some staff members of TL.

What good is it to be the moderator of a site that lacks content? You need the person who can bring the content to the site. That's the reason why we're all here. We all want to watch starcraft. Baezzi allowed us to do that. Bill, even you hinted that we needed and depended on him. (But we shouldn't say that to him, because then he'll be more of a brat... yet we still need him.)

TL was an awesome site long before Baezzi was here. Our admins, mods, news writers and other staff members made this site into the great place it was before he joined. So IMO his relative worth is far below theirs. (How can you even say otherwise, wtf?)

You're right about us depending on him in the past, but that doesn't mean he'll leave behind an unfillable void for the future, and we definitely shouldn't think, or even hesitate for a moment, that he will.

Yup, it was a great place. I was around long before Baezzi. But things were slow in the past.

Baezzi came, and jumpstarted us with immediate VODs on youtube. I started watching games the next day, and they were all there, without the need to slowly download them through torrent.

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 07:40 Ancestral wrote:
You can watch games live, I do that when they're important enough to me. How hard is it (someone who knows the tubes can answer this) to record a streaming file and save it as a video file? I'm sure there is someone who can

1) Figure out how to do this
2) Has a good internet connection

I'd do it, not all VOD's, but I think as a community effort we could get all of them if everyone tried a little, I just don't know how one would even go about doing this.

(1) The quality would be terrible.
(2) Who would do that crazy thing?
(3) There are events that run side-by-side each other. Remember MBC and OGN proleagues? How will you record both?

Okay, then I guess the question is, "how do you record a stream to a media file and have the quality not be terrible."

And I wouldn't be able to record both events, I'm just saying I want to try and help unless it is not necessary, I'm sure there are better solutions but it's worth asking.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 22:50:11
May 01 2008 22:48 GMT
#243
Well, if it's only a question of watching VODs, you can do that on DAUM player already.

Currently the only issue [in my mind] is keeping TLPD updated.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft_vod AFAIK most vods are available for download there, though I haven't used that site in forever.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
May 01 2008 22:51 GMT
#244
A savior can be in the form of:

(1) Another Baezzi

Or,

(2) Someone willing to pay for OGN and MSL subscriptions.
(3) Another person willing to download using those subscriptions and upload them in a timely fashion.
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
May 01 2008 22:51 GMT
#245
Let's just replace Baezzi to piss him off and show him that he isn't god's gift to foreign Starcraft. That's better than banning him.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 01 2008 22:51 GMT
#246
On May 02 2008 07:48 Last Romantic wrote:
Well, if it's only a question of watching VODs, you can do that on DAUM player already.

Currently the only issue [in my mind] is keeping TLPD updated.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft_vod AFAIK most vods are available for download there, though I haven't used that site in forever.

The gall site's VOD quality is pretty bad IMO.

I could chip in too, if someone gives me a direct source for VODs.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 01 2008 22:52 GMT
#247
On May 02 2008 07:51 WhatisProtoss wrote:
A savior can be in the form of:

(1) Another Baezzi

Or,

(2) Someone willing to pay for OGN and MSL subscriptions.
(3) Another person willing to download using those subscriptions and upload them in a timely fashion.

What are these "subscriptions" of which you speak? What do you get for them, and how much do they cost?
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44139 Posts
May 01 2008 22:53 GMT
#248
Given the immediate response of FConnectionUK, nevake and Ancestral I think we can conclude tl will be ok.
We're such an awesome community. :D
Btw, I don't speak a word of korean but if given download links I'll happily youtube shit in my spare time.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 23:12:50
May 01 2008 22:54 GMT
#249
You have to keep in mind that Baezzi wouldn't have anything to "ransom" if hadn't uploaded those videos for all of us to enjoy in the first place. Am I saying he's right in holding those videos ransom? No, but the fact that he uploaded them in the first place far outweighs whether or not he's "being childish" in not sharing his videos anymore.

On May 02 2008 07:13 teamsolid wrote:
Just to make this clear: NO ONE is siding with him.

I think he's wrong too. But, if you've actually read any of my comments, my only point was that there is nothing beneficial to be gained whatsoever by anyone here or by TL.net as a whole from continuing to insult him, but there is/was plenty to lose.


I agree. Shitting on him won't make anything better.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
May 01 2008 22:55 GMT
#250
On May 02 2008 07:52 Ancestral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 07:51 WhatisProtoss wrote:
A savior can be in the form of:

(1) Another Baezzi

Or,

(2) Someone willing to pay for OGN and MSL subscriptions.
(3) Another person willing to download using those subscriptions and upload them in a timely fashion.

What are these "subscriptions" of which you speak? What do you get for them, and how much do they cost?

Only a korean can get subscriptions. The subscriptions are for membership for the sites:
www.ongamenet.com
www.imbc.com
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
May 01 2008 22:56 GMT
#251
What has and will always make TL is it's members. Members who always want to contribute, to give something back to a great site, it seems baezzi is doing this for a completely different reason and I'm kind of glad that he showed his true character before we gave him any more responsibilities.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 23:00:49
May 01 2008 22:57 GMT
#252
Wait, just a question:

What's the source of the VODs for the TL.net tracker? I remember especially, there was someone would consistently upload insane quality H264/ogm files. Can't we just use that same source to YouTube up videos?
Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
May 01 2008 22:57 GMT
#253
Yeah, I'm sorry to sound cold but Team Liquid was awesome back when the only way we got Vods was from Aqueletro's site days after they had been played. From any logical standpoint it would be folly to put our trust in him if he is going to throw it away this easily.

Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. (Yeah, cheesy as hell)

Remember 11-12-04. 이윤열 ~. |||| ZerO, IriS, JangBi, Stork, BackHo! Mah Jae Yoon is no longer a feared entity.
StripedBlueCrow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States506 Posts
May 01 2008 23:00 GMT
#254
I wish I can be of more help..

I say we just go back to the old methods: torrent downloading and small vods.

I remember that was how I use to get the majority of my VODs and I use to store everything I downloaded into my 250 gig portable hard drive. Too bad this was all before 2006.
Ransom notes keep falling out your mouth.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 01 2008 23:03 GMT
#255
On May 02 2008 07:44 teamsolid wrote:
Okay, why don't you start by uploading a few of the proleague, OSL, MSL VODs onto YouTube next week then? We even have a VOD tracker that has the full games available to download. Show him that TL can trump his efforts with actions, rather than mere words.

Way to completely miss the point of the last 3 posts I've made.

I think I'm done in this topic. Don't really have any more responses for WhatisProtoss since his points seem okay to me. And in complete contrast, when someone tries to make a point with "well then why don't you do blah blah blah yourself?" that's usually a good sign to gtfo. Besides, anything else I post will just be me repeating myself.
Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
May 01 2008 23:06 GMT
#256
On May 02 2008 07:45 FConnectionUK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 07:43 Corinthos wrote:
Well if your looking for an replacement theres essentially 2 parts:
1. be able to access oskyloveo's site [korean needed, because of the s.i.n. registration]
2. have an old youtube directors account or use another video upload service


but #1 is probably the most important

1. I have
2. I dont have

I'll give it a try.


That's great FCUK . If you need his site I can pm you it. #2 I don't have an old youtube acct, but I think you can ask VioleTak for help from there. The only other video upload site I got in my head at the moment is Veoh.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
May 01 2008 23:07 GMT
#257
I'm done too. I have nothing more to say. I've said them all, like Bill just has.
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
May 01 2008 23:10 GMT
#258
On May 02 2008 07:55 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 07:52 Ancestral wrote:
On May 02 2008 07:51 WhatisProtoss wrote:
A savior can be in the form of:

(1) Another Baezzi

Or,

(2) Someone willing to pay for OGN and MSL subscriptions.
(3) Another person willing to download using those subscriptions and upload them in a timely fashion.

What are these "subscriptions" of which you speak? What do you get for them, and how much do they cost?

Only a korean can get subscriptions. The subscriptions are for membership for the sites:
www.ongamenet.com
www.imbc.com


I got subscription in a korean website and i could dl any starcraft videos i want :D
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 23:11:14
May 01 2008 23:11 GMT
#259
My only concern might be all of the past vods that would need to be reuploaded =P
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 23:18:32
May 01 2008 23:17 GMT
#260
On May 02 2008 07:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:
On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:
On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.

bye!

Peh.

Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching
VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi

Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did?
Answer: Probably not.

Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi
Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution.

It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself."

This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him.

And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident.

He randomly decided to take up this job for us. He helped the transfer of Starcraft in Korea to us foreigners. I would put his relative "worth" above moderators, admins, and some staff members of TL.

What good is it to be the moderator of a site that lacks content? You need the person who can bring the content to the site. That's the reason why we're all here. We all want to watch starcraft. Baezzi allowed us to do that. Bill, even you hinted that we needed and depended on him. (But we shouldn't say that to him, because then he'll be more of a brat... yet we still need him.)

Even though you say you're done with it, I would just like to address this. Baezzi didn't bring anything to TL directly. It was all brought to YouTube, and as far as I know, could be embedded or shared anywhere else. What made TL the "source" for VODs is TLPD. It is a centralized and extremely well organized source for VODs and pretty much everything else.

All baezzi did was upload. While I wouldn't want to underrate this, I wouldn't put his worth over the people that actually spent / spend hours compiling tons of data and constructing TLPD. One requires a source and bandwidth, the other require dedication and hundreds of hours of work. TL is still TL without baezzi, this isn't the case the other way around.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
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