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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:07 Kwark wrote: Physician is on his side too. Not that I expect that to surprise anyone. Physician was (originally) on Tiger's side, too, so I'm definitely not surprised.  | ||
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Jusciax
Lithuania588 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On May 02 2008 05:31 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: what the hell man, how are you going to apologize for a bloody opinion. BaeZZi acted like an ass getting offended on a discussion about certain topic. If you read TL.net commandments it is forbidden to make any racist/sexist etc marks. There were none. BaeZZi just got offended by nothing and then become fucking stubborn even though the admins were kind trying to explain the situation and he just dissmissed them. hell even he broke the fucking rules when he started posting in korean. There are a bunch of non-koreans here that dont speak korean, and yet he posts in the forum in a non official language, who does he think he is to break the bloody rules? if he's gonna post, he shoulda post in english or if he cant speak english he should've asked for translation i dont know... admins here acted more mature than him, its his fault if he doesnt want to come. about the retaliation of the embeded vods: it just says about his childish reaction. oh btw as if rape was a bad topics, there has been a bunch of touchy topics on the general forum and i dont think it has ever happened what just happened. You seem way too emotional to make a judgment call on this matter. I'm not saying that Baezzi was right. He was actually wrong, but Live2Win helped perpetuate his misunderstanding with his poor Korean. Live2Win broke the rules first by typing in Korean. Admins SHOULD be more mature than the general population of posters. Why are you trying to give them credit for what they SHOULD be doing? I would expect that if you make someone an administrator or moderator, you're doing it because they have the intelligence and patience and the responsibility to handle it. Baezzi misunderstood. Live2Win and Haji didn't do anything necessarily wrong. However, you must understand that Baezzi was a top contributor to the site. Sure, he's quickly emotional, but you should try to account for that. If Bill Gates got angry at anti-Koreans, you surely don't want anti-Korean reminders around him, simply because he's a top contributor in computer science, regardless of his maturity level. He could have the maturity of a child, yet he would get certain special considerations simply because of his great level of contribution. Baezzi was doing something rare. We can always find a huge bunch of translators. I know I've ranted about how tough it was being a translator, but there's a huge group of people who are capable of translating in TL. There aren't very many people who upload VODs, however, with the speed of Baezzi. What he was doing was valuable. His maturity level is questionable. But, in order to regain his valuable work, people here have to swallow their pride and talk to him. And I didn't say to simply "apologize." I said to either "explain" or "apologize." | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
I think he's wrong too. But, if you've actually read any of my comments, my only point was that there is nothing beneficial to be gained whatsoever by anyone here or by TL.net as a whole from continuing to insult him, but there is/was plenty to lose. | ||
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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
Plus, this thread wouldn't of created such a buzz if it was just another kid who could have been replaced as easily. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote: survival of the whole > individual. bye! Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:04 Ecael wrote: I disagree, he should not be perma-banned, the problem in question should be checked with how much power he has at his disposal. He isn't doing anything beyond what any user temp-banned is doing once we take into the consideration of the little power that they have handy. To ban him would be to validate the viewpoint that he has on that thread by censoring him, or that's how I am reading it. While many might believe the opinion to be misguided, it certainly isn't a bannable offense, we've seen far worse in terms of just opinions. Look you're new or something so I'll cut you some slack: TL is ruled with an iron fist; it is the number-1 reason the forum has retained quality and subsequent interest. If you browse through old threads, you'll see users with several thousands of posts, who've been nuked or perma-banned, usually because they tried swinging their weight around or over-stepping themselves; they got too comfortable. The ban hammer is blind justice. Nobody is sacred! And that is a good thing. If you disagree with that on some philosophical basis, then you are not aligned with the 10 Commandments and the running philosophy of the admins, and should seek out stimey/mitsy/rednob and the rest of the banned-wagon <--- lol i made a funny For those of us who enjoy justice, seeing a little twerp trying to exercise his itty-bitty influence to such extent is vulgar and offensive to the website itself, and to all the people who visit here. Especially because of his overt racism. edit: he is not irreplaceable, why do people keep speaking as though he is? FUCK'EM | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote: Look you're new or something so I'll cut you some slack: TL is ruled with an iron fist; it is the number-1 reason the forum has retained quality and subsequent interest. If you browse through old threads, you'll see users with several thousands of posts, who've been nuked or perma-banned, usually because they tried swinging their weight around or over-stepping themselves; they got too comfortable. The ban hammer is blind justice. Nobody is sacred! And that is a good thing. If you disagree with that on some philosophical basis, then you are not aligned with the 10 Commandments and the running philosophy of the admins, and should seek out stimey/mitsy/rednob and the rest of the banned-wagon <--- lol i made a funny For those of us who enjoy justice, seeing a little twerp trying to exercise his itty-bitty influence to such extent is vulgar and offensive to the website itself, and to all the people who visit here. Especially because of his overt racism. I know that you're a veteran of the site. But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us. On May 02 2008 07:17 Chill wrote: I mean that's great in theory WiP, it's a little harder when hes doing the old "nya nya I can't hear you." I guess we can see what happens. Next time he starts posting in a questionable thread, we should ignore him. Then he won't be further aggravated. The reason why he says "nya nya" is because we keep trying to push things into his little brain. If we stop doing that, then he wouldn't be doing that. | ||
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote: Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not." There is going to be :D and that person will be me hopefully :D Right now im trying to post the proleague SKT1 vs STX but i tried yesterday and it didnt upload... it was pissing me off -_-" | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:13 teamsolid wrote: Just to make this clear: NO ONE is siding with him. I think he's wrong too. But, if you've actually read any of my comments, my only point was that there is nothing beneficial to be gained whatsoever by anyone here or by TL.net as a whole from continuing to insult him, but there is/was plenty to lose. Well, a possible benefit is that the sooner we know he's gone for good, the sooner we'll have to replace him. If he came back to us without actually maturing as a person, then this kind of conflict would inevitably happen again, so we'd be better off just replacing him right now. I'm not saying this is necessarily better than keeping him around until we do find a replacement. Just being optimistic. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote: edit: he is not irreplaceable, why do people keep speaking as though he is? FUCK'EM are you sure  | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:21 Darkmole wrote: There is going to be :D and that person will be me hopefully :D Right now im trying to post the proleague SKT1 vs STX but i tried yesterday and it didnt upload... it was pissing me off -_-" But you failed already... @_@ Baezzi had his hands on the VODs immediately. Proleague, Starleague, MSL, Special Events. Everything related to Starcraft you could ever think of. You think you can shoulder those responsibilities, and do it in a timely fashion? Uploading them takes time and like you said, failure. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:21 Darkmole wrote: There is going to be :D and that person will be me hopefully :D Right now im trying to post the proleague SKT1 vs STX but i tried yesterday and it didnt upload... it was pissing me off -_-" you can also get special documentaries and random shit from mbc and ogn too? i doubt it . this site really needs him unless some random korean (lol not random_kOrean XD) pops up who's nice enough to upload thousands and thousands of vods everyday :/ | ||
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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:20 WhatisProtoss wrote: I know that you're a veteran of the site. But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us. Next time he starts posting in a questionable thread, we should ignore him. Then he won't be further aggravated. The reason why he says "nya nya" is because we keep trying to push things into his little brain. If we stop doing that, then he wouldn't be doing that. If there is a next time. That doesn't really help us this time  | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote: Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him. And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
It could be correct that Live2Win said.. you don't understand in Korean deep Language >? It's the mood of the conversation and the way Live2Win indirectly telling Baezzi to shut up and get more English language skill. From Jon747 on Youtube. He thinks L2W was dissing his language ability? | ||
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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:20 WhatisProtoss wrote: I know that you're a veteran of the site. But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us. I appreciate the utility he provides; I usually post in general but I'm a huge fan of the TLPD VODs. But honestly, the integrity of the site is more important than any singular feature. And: 1) he's racist 2) he's using the powers bestowed upon him to cripple our community as much as possible. 3) it is reasonable to assume that if he could do more damage, he would. = perma-ban, why not?? He won't make the VODs private; we can still link to them, as per the youtube.com public access clause, unless he makes his entire account private. I call the bluff: he will NOT make his youtube account private, trust me, it's his only claim to fame, he gains nothing and loses his precious utility by going private. | ||
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Squallcloud
France466 Posts
1. He's got the power over the VOD so we must bow to him 2. Don't care about the VOD just ban him | ||
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