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On May 02 2008 06:33 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:28 Kwark wrote:On May 02 2008 06:22 teamsolid wrote:
Kwark, it does NOT matter if he is right or wrong. Unless you for some reason actually hate Baezzi, there is nothing to be gained from continuing to insulting him. Tell me, what exactly do you "win" from winning a war on the Internet? Nothing. To be honest what I've said in this thread hasn't been aimed to insult. If I wanted to insult him I'd send him rude messages on youtube or make insulting comments on there. What I've been doing is arguing that BaeZZi has been deliberately confrontational and extremely childish out of a mixture of misplaced nationalism and excessive self importance. I don't hate him, I think he should be banned from tl like every other poster like him. None of my posts here have been directed at BaeZZi, they have been to attempt to convince people who try and justify his actions that they really are indefensible and that tl really has no choice now but to ban him. Since he clearly reads TL.net (which is how he found the article in the first place), posting insulting comments about him on TL is about the same as making comments on his YouTube acct. You keep justifying your actions by saying how his reactions were "misplaced". But, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, because the only thing you gain from insulting him is inflating your own pride/ego. Anyways, I'm done with this.
LOL, I was just about to say.... if he finds this thread, he's definitely never coming back. GG guys. Well done.
The only other thing I will say, to elaborate on what random korean said... and I'm not trying to take any side, here, I just think I am one of few who really understand it... is that I don't think most of you really understand the amount of time and effort that goes into what he does. It may be hard to believe, but it takes hours and hours and hours, and is actually quite exhausting. Even when you get a lot of gratitude it is easy to be indignant when only a few people are ungrateful and insulting.
You don't have to argue with me, I'm just giving an fyi for anyone that wants to consider it.
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On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser.
just gtfo
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Bill307
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Alright people, look: if a person disables an entire site's VODs just because they have a fight with the someone on the site, then that is a PERFECT example of being childish.
Say whatever you want, but people are perfectly justified in calling his actions childish, because that is exactly what they are.
Oh boo hoo people are insulting him. Well guess what? Facts are facts whether he likes them or not.
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On May 02 2008 03:07 Physician wrote:
I will not judge him but for what he has already done for all of us, which is has been great; I enjoyed many of his uploaded vods. Ultimately it's his choice and his effort.
Even if there was a misunderstanding these happen way too often and too easily with online text communications to justify calling him "ridiculously stupid" or "childish" by people who don't even know him or know exactly what happened.
Trust me, if you have an educated opinion on this by reading everything thats been said you will know baezzi is acting like a kid.
Hes ignoring everyone saying that he wasnt personally attacked and just carrying on. Now he does this shit and is attempting to steal TL's uploading account.
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On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser.
Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread.
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What Kwark is arguing simply is that we shouldn't have a double standard for Baezzi. I mean, that's what it comes down to. It's not like L2W didn't show Baezzi a lot of respect past what a typical member would get. Baezzi has to push it and expect people NEVER to ban him, EVER. So he responds by collectively punishing an entire community for what one person did, which wasn't all that bad. Whatever.
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Wow, and haji even filled his posts with disclaimers and even analysis about how the japanese numbers were probably distorted. I still think that Baezzi is understanding it the wrong way =S.
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On May 02 2008 06:47 Squallcloud wrote:Made me think about TL ten Commandments  1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accomodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions. But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply IP ban you. If we're really pissed off, then we IP ban you AND nuke every single post you've uploaded to the site - ever. It will be as if you had never existed here. This is our house. You've been warned. Also Rule number 2 2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE Common sense, people, common sense. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (And if you happen to be into masochism, then you're at the wrong site, anyway.) [...] There are also a number of Rules of Posting in our forums. Take the time to observe and learn them. There are way too many to recite here, but the following are a few important examples: - Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched. - Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass. - Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members ? and we sure as hell would like to keep them! [...] Rule number three not bad too ^^ 3. THOU SHALL THINK BEFORE POSTING Please, think before you chime in with your opinion on a given post or series of posts. There will usually be some history behind a given exchange in our forums, so take the time to observe what might really be going on and put the conversation into context before you decide who's "right" and who's "wrong." Above all, take into account who is posting - context is everything. Chirping in with your grossly uninformed opinions will only make you look dumb and irritate the heck out of the people who do know what's going on. We can't tell you how many little kids we've ripped to shreds because they reacted first instead of thinking. The absolute worst examples are overzealous pinheads who automatically react with righteous indignation when an Admin bans someone for posting something that, to them, seems innocuous - never thinking that we could be banning that guy for a whole bunch of other things and that this may just have been the final straw. There's a reason why we do the things we do around here. And please don't try to be Freud or Jung. Don't second-guess the motives for why someone wrote something. Only the author knows for sure the "whys." Respond to what's written. Avoid responding with comments filled with half-baked psychoanalytical presumptions about the poster?s imputed agenda or their psych profile. So, for example, when someone writes a detailed post outlining his/her strategy for countering a tank push, feel free to respond to or even criticize the content of the original post - but don't write about how the guy's just trying to impress everyone with his/her knowledge because of an inferiority complex! You don't know that and no one cares. Stop psychoanalyzing - you don't have a license to practice. Maybe Baezzi should read them again :p
And still everyone is calling somebody Gay or fag when u talk about the look of progammer
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I think a few people do that, and they're usually joking. If they're seriously contending it, they should get temp banned. Hasn't that happened before? I recall reading in the ban list people being banned for homophobia. Maybe I'm making that up.
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I'd like to point out that TLPD VODs are still watchable, you just have to click on the VOD rather than the play button in order to bring it up in a separate tab/window.
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On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread.
teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact.
BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why?
I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing.
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On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. This is clearly a situation where an individual is trying to make the entire community his bitch. How do you want me to feel? This has gone far beyond "misunderstanding." He knows things have gone too far and his automatic response is to go on the attack. This is not the first time, and if he sticks around, it won't be the last.
I don't like him.
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I think going so far as to call anyone who uploads VODs a dork is what he's talking about.
I mean, you're posting on a Starcraft website.
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On May 02 2008 07:02 Phoned wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. This is clearly a situation where an individual is trying to make the entire community his bitch. How do you want me to feel? This has gone far beyond "misunderstanding." He knows he things have gone too far and his automatic response is to go on the attack. This is not the first time, and if he sticks around, it won't be the last.
So true.
I loved Baezzi's work for TL and i still do but his behaviour on this matter is just ridiculous.
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On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact. BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why? I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing.
I disagree, he should not be perma-banned, the problem in question should be checked with how much power he has at his disposal. He isn't doing anything beyond what any user temp-banned is doing once we take into the consideration of the little power that they have handy. To ban him would be to validate the viewpoint that he has on that thread by censoring him, or that's how I am reading it. While many might believe the opinion to be misguided, it certainly isn't a bannable offense, we've seen far worse in terms of just opinions.
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On May 02 2008 07:02 Phoned wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. This is clearly a situation where an individual is trying to make the entire community his bitch. How do you want me to feel? This has gone far beyond "misunderstanding." He knows he things have gone too far and his automatic response is to go on the attack. This is not the first time, and if he sticks around, it won't be the last. I don't like him.
At least think before you post, since these "dorks" upload all of our VOD's and you are showing disrespect for what they do.
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On May 02 2008 06:47 f10esqftw wrote:
LOL, I was just about to say.... if he finds this thread, he's definitely never coming back. GG guys. Well done.
And then what? Even if he comes back, should we bother with a ticking time bomb?
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On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact. BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why? I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing.
Physician is on his side too. Not that I expect that to surprise anyone.
Edit: Physician was apparently parodying himself in his pm and was only on BaeZZis side because he felt BaeZZi was under-represented by the topic.
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Bill307
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On May 02 2008 06:47 f10esqftw wrote:
LOL, I was just about to say.... if he finds this thread, he's definitely never coming back. GG guys. Well done.
TLnet was fine before him, and it will be fine after he's gone.
Personally, I imagine he actually LOVES this thread, because imo it proves him right: there are a lot of people on this site who act like they NEED him, and I think he loves that. Not to mention all the people trying to defend his blatantly-immature actions.
But whatever, life goes on. TLnet didn't come this far by crying over anything it lost. TLnet adapts. Maybe he'll be replaced. Maybe the replacement won't be as good. Maybe it'll be even better. In any case, I wouldn't mourn over it.
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On May 02 2008 07:06 useLess wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 06:47 f10esqftw wrote:
LOL, I was just about to say.... if he finds this thread, he's definitely never coming back. GG guys. Well done.
And then what? Even if he comes back, should we bother with a ticking time bomb?
I'd put up with it even if that's what it means; if he doesn't come back, a replacement will be needed at any case. If he does come back, a replacement will probably be sought out to mitigate the potential issue. It isn't worth the censorship that would be displayed from such an action, imo.
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