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On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.
bye! Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him. And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident.
He randomly decided to take up this job for us. He helped the transfer of Starcraft in Korea to us foreigners. I would put his relative "worth" above moderators, admins, and some staff members of TL.
What good is it to be the moderator of a site that lacks content? You need the person who can bring the content to the site. That's the reason why we're all here. We all want to watch starcraft. Baezzi allowed us to do that. Bill, even you hinted that we needed and depended on him. (But we shouldn't say that to him, because then he'll be more of a brat... yet we still need him.)
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
Live2Win offended him, not a misunderstanding. But to be fair, it was clearly unintentional.
This is how Baezzi thought Live2win said
"You don't speak too good of English. I don't think you understand this thread. I do want you to know that we ban people who offend other race."
This is not exactly what L2W said or intended, but that is what is written no matter how you interpret it.
I don't see how Baezzi could not be offended. But Baezzi's action afterward is unacceptable.
Edit: i just read my post... lol... perhaps it was misunderstanding
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:23 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote:
edit: he is not irreplaceable, why do people keep speaking as though he is? FUCK'EM are you sure 
I'm not sure, but I do know this: the only way to succeed in life is to believe that you can overcome your obstacles. E.g. you'll never beat anyone better than you in SC until you believe and are confident that you CAN beat them.
Likewise, the best attitude for us to take right now is to believe we can replace Baezzi. It is literally the winning attitude.
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On May 02 2008 07:24 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:21 Darkmole wrote:On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.
bye! Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not." There is going to be :D and that person will be me hopefully :D Right now im trying to post the proleague SKT1 vs STX but i tried yesterday and it didnt upload... it was pissing me off -_-" But you failed already... @_@ Baezzi had his hands on the VODs immediately. Proleague, Starleague, MSL, Special Events. Everything related to Starcraft you could ever think of. You think you can shoulder those responsibilities, and do it in a timely fashion? Uploading them takes time and like you said, failure.
I could dl any korean vod i want but the gayest problem im having is uploading it on youtube... it wont let for some gay reason....
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On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:04 Ecael wrote:On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact. BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why? I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing. I disagree, he should not be perma-banned, the problem in question should be checked with how much power he has at his disposal. He isn't doing anything beyond what any user temp-banned is doing once we take into the consideration of the little power that they have handy. To ban him would be to validate the viewpoint that he has on that thread by censoring him, or that's how I am reading it. While many might believe the opinion to be misguided, it certainly isn't a bannable offense, we've seen far worse in terms of just opinions. Look you're new or something so I'll cut you some slack: TL is ruled with an iron fist; it is the number-1 reason the forum has retained quality and subsequent interest. If you browse through old threads, you'll see users with several thousands of posts, who've been nuked or perma-banned, usually because they tried swinging their weight around or over-stepping themselves; they got too comfortable. The ban hammer is blind justice. Nobody is sacred! And that is a good thing. If you disagree with that on some philosophical basis, then you are not aligned with the 10 Commandments and the running philosophy of the admins, and should seek out stimey/mitsy/rednob and the rest of the banned-wagon <--- lol i made a funny For those of us who enjoy justice, seeing a little twerp trying to exercise his itty-bitty influence to such extent is vulgar and offensive to the website itself, and to all the people who visit here. Especially because of his overt racism. edit: he is not irreplaceable, why do people keep speaking as though he is? FUCK'EM
I am new, remember? The China/Tibet threads should've proven that 
Why would my disagreement with the running philosophy of the site be an issue unless I choose to act on such a disagreement? For one, I am not even capable of acting in such a manner due to the nature of the said disagreement. Or am I being a Romanian here?
I don't think that the so called "overt racism" was such, really, there were far worse things said in just the Tibet threads. Those people were given temporary breaks to let them cool their heads. Yes, it is distasteful to see someone trying to exercise their influence to an extent as this, but that is only natural. I suppose all that I am trying to say that is that I feel a perm ban is far too radical than the situation calls for, and only lends validity to his cause.
Shallow, but that's only natural, go read the thread and try to skip all the disclaimers and additional analysis. Though many have managed to done just that.
WiP, a good lesson for the future, but there were little ways to have known that ahead of time now.
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On May 02 2008 07:29 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +
It could be correct that Live2Win said..
you don't understand in Korean deep Language >?
It's the mood of the conversation and the way Live2Win indirectly telling Baezzi to shut up and get more English language skill. From Jon747 on Youtube. He thinks L2W was dissing his language ability?
edit: nvm, FConnectionUK just explained it above.
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On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.
bye! Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him. And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident.
Um... unless you want to stop watching his VODs completely, you are depending on him.
That's kinda like those people who call for a "boycott" of Chinese goods, and then walk into Wal-mart the next day and buy a cart full of products made in China.
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On May 02 2008 07:30 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:20 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote:On May 02 2008 07:04 Ecael wrote:On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact. BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why? I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing. I disagree, he should not be perma-banned, the problem in question should be checked with how much power he has at his disposal. He isn't doing anything beyond what any user temp-banned is doing once we take into the consideration of the little power that they have handy. To ban him would be to validate the viewpoint that he has on that thread by censoring him, or that's how I am reading it. While many might believe the opinion to be misguided, it certainly isn't a bannable offense, we've seen far worse in terms of just opinions. Look you're new or something so I'll cut you some slack: TL is ruled with an iron fist; it is the number-1 reason the forum has retained quality and subsequent interest. If you browse through old threads, you'll see users with several thousands of posts, who've been nuked or perma-banned, usually because they tried swinging their weight around or over-stepping themselves; they got too comfortable. The ban hammer is blind justice. Nobody is sacred! And that is a good thing. If you disagree with that on some philosophical basis, then you are not aligned with the 10 Commandments and the running philosophy of the admins, and should seek out stimey/mitsy/rednob and the rest of the banned-wagon <--- lol i made a funny For those of us who enjoy justice, seeing a little twerp trying to exercise his itty-bitty influence to such extent is vulgar and offensive to the website itself, and to all the people who visit here. Especially because of his overt racism. I know that you're a veteran of the site. But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us. I appreciate the utility he provides; I usually post in general but I'm a huge fan of the TLPD VODs. But honestly, the integrity of the site is more important than any singular feature. And: 1) he's racist 2) he's using the powers bestowed upon him to cripple our community as much as possible. 3) it is reasonable to assume that if he could do more damage, he would. = perma-ban, why not?? He won't make the VODs private; we can still link to them, as per the youtube.com public access clause, unless he makes his entire account private. I call the bluff: he will NOT make his youtube account private, trust me, it's his only claim to fame, he gains nothing and loses his precious utility by going private.
His claim to fame will be sending Teamliquid back to the stone age, until we find another savior.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:30 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:20 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote:On May 02 2008 07:04 Ecael wrote:On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him
Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser. Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread. teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact. BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why? I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing. I disagree, he should not be perma-banned, the problem in question should be checked with how much power he has at his disposal. He isn't doing anything beyond what any user temp-banned is doing once we take into the consideration of the little power that they have handy. To ban him would be to validate the viewpoint that he has on that thread by censoring him, or that's how I am reading it. While many might believe the opinion to be misguided, it certainly isn't a bannable offense, we've seen far worse in terms of just opinions. Look you're new or something so I'll cut you some slack: TL is ruled with an iron fist; it is the number-1 reason the forum has retained quality and subsequent interest. If you browse through old threads, you'll see users with several thousands of posts, who've been nuked or perma-banned, usually because they tried swinging their weight around or over-stepping themselves; they got too comfortable. The ban hammer is blind justice. Nobody is sacred! And that is a good thing. If you disagree with that on some philosophical basis, then you are not aligned with the 10 Commandments and the running philosophy of the admins, and should seek out stimey/mitsy/rednob and the rest of the banned-wagon <--- lol i made a funny For those of us who enjoy justice, seeing a little twerp trying to exercise his itty-bitty influence to such extent is vulgar and offensive to the website itself, and to all the people who visit here. Especially because of his overt racism. I know that you're a veteran of the site. But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us. I appreciate the utility he provides; I usually post in general but I'm a huge fan of the TLPD VODs. But honestly, the integrity of the site is more important than any singular feature. And: 1) he's racist 2) he's using the powers bestowed upon him to cripple our community as much as possible. 3) it is reasonable to assume that if he could do more damage, he would. = perma-ban, why not?? He won't make the VODs private; we can still link to them, as per the youtube.com public access clause, unless he makes his entire account private. I call the bluff: he will NOT make his youtube account private, trust me, it's his only claim to fame, he gains nothing and loses his precious utility by going private.
but what if he really does do it he has nothing to lose either it also saves him a shitload of time everyday downloading and uploading VODS :\\
we have everything to lose
how does the youtube public access clause work? what happens if he just deletes the whole account? O_O
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Yes, you can remove videos from your own youtube account or make them unviewable to anyone but you.
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On May 02 2008 07:32 Ecael wrote:I am new, remember? The China/Tibet threads should've proven that
Hah forgot about that, sup
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.
bye! Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him. And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident. He randomly decided to take up this job for us. He helped the transfer of Starcraft in Korea to us foreigners. I would put his relative "worth" above moderators, admins, and some staff members of TL. What good is it to be the moderator of a site that lacks content? You need the person who can bring the content to the site. That's the reason why we're all here. We all want to watch starcraft. Baezzi allowed us to do that. Bill, even you hinted that we needed and depended on him. (But we shouldn't say that to him, because then he'll be more of a brat... yet we still need him.)
TL was an awesome site long before Baezzi was here. Our admins, mods, news writers and other staff members made this site into the great place it was before he joined. So IMO his relative worth is far below theirs. (How can you even say otherwise, wtf?)
You're right about us depending on him in the past, but that doesn't mean he'll leave behind an unfillable void for the future, and we definitely shouldn't think, or even hesitate for a moment, that he will.
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Baezzi please understand that Live2Win didn't insult you.
I think you just misunderstand.
Please come back!
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If he deletes the account or goes totally private, then all his hard work is wasted: he cuts off his nose to spite his face. And then his leverage is gone and his glory fades away. TL.net moves on without being under the thumb of some racist 12 yr old, eventually finding a new contributor. Perfect!
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You can watch games live, I do that when they're important enough to me. How hard is it (someone who knows the tubes can answer this) to record a streaming file and save it as a video file? I'm sure there is someone who can
1) Figure out how to do this
2) Has a good internet connection
I'd do it, not all VOD's, but I think as a community effort we could get all of them if everyone tried a little, I just don't know how one would even go about doing this.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
(Wow, this topic is on fire. That must've been one of the swiftest replies I've ever written (yeah I'm slow), and yet already there are 8 more replies before it.)
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On May 02 2008 07:36 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.
bye! Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him. And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident. He randomly decided to take up this job for us. He helped the transfer of Starcraft in Korea to us foreigners. I would put his relative "worth" above moderators, admins, and some staff members of TL. What good is it to be the moderator of a site that lacks content? You need the person who can bring the content to the site. That's the reason why we're all here. We all want to watch starcraft. Baezzi allowed us to do that. Bill, even you hinted that we needed and depended on him. (But we shouldn't say that to him, because then he'll be more of a brat... yet we still need him.) TL was an awesome site long before Baezzi was here. Our admins, mods, news writers and other staff members made this site into the great place it was before he joined. So IMO his relative worth is far below theirs. (How can you even say otherwise, wtf?) You're right about us depending on him in the past, but that doesn't mean he'll leave behind an unfillable void for the future, and we definitely shouldn't think, or even hesitate for a moment, that he will.
Yup, it was a great place. I was around long before Baezzi. But things were slow in the past.
Baezzi came, and jumpstarted us with immediate VODs on youtube. I started watching games the next day, and they were all there, without the need to slowly download them through torrent.
On May 02 2008 07:40 Ancestral wrote:
You can watch games live, I do that when they're important enough to me. How hard is it (someone who knows the tubes can answer this) to record a streaming file and save it as a video file? I'm sure there is someone who can
1) Figure out how to do this
2) Has a good internet connection
I'd do it, not all VOD's, but I think as a community effort we could get all of them if everyone tried a little, I just don't know how one would even go about doing this.
(1) The quality would be terrible.
(2) Who would do that crazy thing?
(3) There are events that run side-by-side each other. Remember MBC and OGN proleagues? How will you record both?
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
Well if your looking for an replacement theres essentially 2 parts:
1. be able to access oskyloveo's site [korean needed, because of the s.i.n. registration]
2. have an old youtube directors account or use another video upload service
but #1 is probably the most important
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On May 02 2008 07:36 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2008 07:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.
bye! Peh. Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did? Answer: Probably not. Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution. It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself." This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him. And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident. He randomly decided to take up this job for us. He helped the transfer of Starcraft in Korea to us foreigners. I would put his relative "worth" above moderators, admins, and some staff members of TL. What good is it to be the moderator of a site that lacks content? You need the person who can bring the content to the site. That's the reason why we're all here. We all want to watch starcraft. Baezzi allowed us to do that. Bill, even you hinted that we needed and depended on him. (But we shouldn't say that to him, because then he'll be more of a brat... yet we still need him.) TL was an awesome site long before Baezzi was here. Our admins, mods, news writers and other staff members made this site into the great place it was before he joined. So IMO his relative worth is far below theirs. (How can you even say otherwise, wtf?) You're right about us depending on him in the past, but that doesn't mean he'll leave behind an unfillable void for the future, and we definitely shouldn't think, or even hesitate for a moment, that he will.
Okay, why don't you start by uploading a few of the proleague, OSL, MSL VODs onto YouTube next week then? We even have a VOD tracker that has the full games available to download. Show him that TL can trump his efforts with actions, rather than mere words.
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:43 Corinthos wrote:
Well if your looking for an replacement theres essentially 2 parts:
1. be able to access oskyloveo's site [korean needed, because of the s.i.n. registration]
2. have an old youtube directors account or use another video upload service
but #1 is probably the most important
1. I have
2. I dont have
I'll give it a try.
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