Baezzi Leaves TL.net!

On May 02 2008 02:24 StripedBlueCrow wrote:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GGm538EmQkA

look at his video he posted. it seems like no more embedding his youtube videos onto tl.net, but instead he will allow sc2gg.com do it. man oh man

On May 02 2008 02:33 HaXxorIzed wrote:
IIRC, Baezzi was given that account by tl.net and those old accounts are very valuable because of the +10 minute upload limit (Someone told me this over IRC, dunno if it's true or not). I don't really care what Baezzi's argument was who was right or wrong, this sort of childish me-ism over a misunderstanding hurts the community and would have gotten him banned otherwise. I hope the account is taken back if it was given to him, and the rug pulled from right under him.

Why is Baezzi behaving like this?

On May 02 2008 02:43 HaXxorIzed wrote:
His actions on the youtube account surely would be enough to report him to their staff, would'nt it?

On May 02 2008 02:44 Woyn wrote:


We'd lose a huge storeof VODs and all the VODs on that account uploaded before he owned it, I dont think losing that is worth it over his childish behaviour

Any videos that you submit to the YouTube Sites may be redistributed through the internet and other media channels, and may be viewed by the general public.

Jon747 wrote:
well, how many did I upload for TL and service for TL ?
Could TL pay the money for me ?
look at my vod how many I uploaded ?

Jon747 wrote:
Guys !!! This account got from TL..
WELL,
1. How many did I upload for TL and service for TL ?
2. Could TL pay the money for my labor ?
3. Look at my vod how many I uploaded ?

Jon747 wrote:
I did misread ? hahahahaha..

it's bullshit as thedeadhaji made the fuckin' graph for raping, USA, Japan, and Korea.

On May 02 2008 02:52 Scorpion wrote:


..did he just go there?

On May 02 2008 02:52 Last Romantic wrote:
He can, of course, just not upload if he really wanted to be annoying.

It's ok. R1CH heroics! I believe!



Oshit.

On May 02 2008 03:07 Physician wrote:
I will not judge him but for what he has already done for all of us, which is has been great; I enjoyed many of his uploaded vods. Ultimately its his choice and his effort.
Even if there was a misunderstanding these happen way too often and too easily with online text communications to justify calling him "ridiculously stupid" or "childish" by people who don't even know him or know exactly what happened.

On May 02 2008 03:12 stk01001 wrote:
I knew that stupid "Rape in Korea" topic was going to stir up trouble. It was such a stupid topic anyway... very tasteless post.

On May 02 2008 03:15 stk01001 wrote:
yeah I did, I'm still trying to figure out what the motivation was behind it.

On May 02 2008 03:07 Physician wrote:
I will not judge him but for what he has already done for all of us, which is has been great; I enjoyed many of his uploaded vods. Ultimately its his choice and his effort.
Even if there was a misunderstanding these happen way too often and too easily with online text communications to justify calling him "ridiculously stupid" or "childish" by people who don't even know him or know exactly what happened.

On May 02 2008 03:35 LordWeird wrote:
He just wants to be more like him, and less like us.

What's wrong with that!?!?!?

On May 02 2008 03:24 TehKris wrote:
I love BaeZZi. He's not overreacting, Live2Win is a cockhead!

Long LIVE BAEZZI!

On May 02 2008 03:37 Jayson X wrote:
Tl.net emergency download all youtube videos team gogo.

On May 02 2008 03:42 Frits wrote:


Are you kidding.

Live2Win patiently tried to explain the situation while Baezzi abuses the power his account has for no apparent reason. Live2Win can't be blamed for any of this, Baezzi is just a racist faggot child who can't stand it if someone doesn't censor something he dislikes straight away, not to mention he didn't prove ANY of the claims he made in that thread.

How can people be this fucking retarded.

On May 02 2008 03:42 Frits wrote:


Are you kidding.

Live2Win patiently tried to explain the situation while Baezzi abuses the power his account has for no apparent reason. Live2Win can't be blamed for any of this, Baezzi is just a racist faggot child who can't stand it if someone doesn't censor something he dislikes straight away, not to mention he didn't prove ANY of the claims he made in that thread.

How can people be this fucking retarded.

On May 02 2008 03:49 TehKris wrote:


BaeZZi doesn't abuse his "power". Are YOU kidding me? BaeZZi has some communication issues, trying to explain something totally uneccecary to him is idiotic. BaeZZi is the best thing that happened to StarCraft lovers the last year (incl. Tasteless to Korea), and Live2Win is a dickhead if he thinks anything else. BAEZZI FOR PRESIDENT!

On May 02 2008 03:49 TehKris wrote:


BaeZZi doesn't abuse his "power". Are YOU kidding me? BaeZZi has some communication issues, trying to explain something totally uneccecary to him is idiotic. BaeZZi is the best thing that happened to StarCraft lovers the last year (incl. Tasteless to Korea), and Live2Win is a dickhead if he thinks anything else. BAEZZI FOR PRESIDENT!

On May 02 2008 03:28 Kwark wrote:

I take that as a reference to me given I said both of those. So firstly, I read the entire situation and made sure I didn't misunderstand. He is being childish. The situation is ridiculously stupid. Debate those if you wish but you will lose. Secondly, given your stance of not judging him on the current situation is laughable I recommend that perhaps you read the topic in question before voicing an opinion. Your stance is like trying to debate the morals of the Iraq war without looking at any events past the 1420s. And then you have the nerve to suggest that perhaps we don't know enough to pass judgement.

On May 02 2008 03:49 TehKris wrote:


BaeZZi doesn't abuse his "power". Are YOU kidding me? BaeZZi has some communication issues, trying to explain something totally uneccecary to him is idiotic. BaeZZi is the best thing that happened to StarCraft lovers the last year (incl. Tasteless to Korea), and Live2Win is a dickhead if he thinks anything else. BAEZZI FOR PRESIDENT!

On May 02 2008 04:01 BlackStar wrote:
It's not about Love2Win. It's about why Haji brought up the subject of rape in korea and made a topic since he apparently is Japanese. Haji probably saw that graph which Baezzi thinks is fake on a Japanese site or newspaper. And haji made a topic on it That's why he is angry.

On May 02 2008 02:56 RaGe wrote:
http://www.sc2gg.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1671

I KNEW IT

"this is gonna change sc communities huge"

On May 02 2008 04:10 ForAdun wrote:
The whole trouble started way back, it would've never gotten so huge if all of us had simply left BaeZZi make his contribution for the community. A few people complaining here and there can be enough to cause such trouble and I think this was the case here. Sometimes people posted really annoying stuff about BaeZZi, on yt and here on tl.
What makes me really angry now are the people here saying that BaeZZi is acting childish and it's all his own fault blah blah blah. You guys should think of the cause-and-effect chain before blaming a single person, especially a respectable one like BaeZZi is.
Please think before you talk, guys. We need him and he doesn't need us. He doesn't want attention as some of you say, he just does not want people to ignore that he's human and not a robot.

It doesn't matter who's at fault, it only matters that you don't annoy him.

On May 02 2008 04:10 meRz wrote:
Fuck.. there goes a lot of vods

Sad that this is happening due to a missunderstanding...

On May 02 2008 04:14 iG.ClouD wrote:

Even if you are right you can't deny he's being a total bitch for a post which wasn't meant by anyone except him to be a flame or racist. He was the only one being racist after all.

On May 02 2008 04:19 ForAdun wrote:


And now we are going to bury him? I say end the bullying now please everyone and start the diplomacy today or tomorrow whoever has contact to BaeZZi, please, please and huge thanks!

On May 02 2008 04:10 ForAdun wrote:
The whole trouble started way back, it would've never gotten so huge if all of us had simply left BaeZZi make his contribution for the community. A few people complaining here and there can be enough to cause such trouble and I think this was the case here. Sometimes people posted really annoying stuff about BaeZZi, on yt and here on tl.

What makes me really angry now are the people here saying that BaeZZi is acting childish and it's all his own fault blah blah blah. You guys should think of the cause-and-effect chain before blaming a single person, especially a respectable one like BaeZZi is.
Please think before you talk, guys. We need him and he doesn't need us. He doesn't want attention as some of you say, he just does not want people to ignore that he's human and not a robot.

It doesn't matter who's at fault, it only matters that you don't annoy him.

On May 02 2008 04:05 LosingID8 wrote:

the funny thing is that the graph is from CHOSUNONLINE lol, and the korean data is from the korean police department

On May 02 2008 04:22 ForAdun wrote:
I don't understand, I only want the community to be able to watch vods?? Why am I getting attacked now? Oh my god...

On May 02 2008 04:23 LosingID8 wrote:
if you consider that to be an "attack" i don't know how to respond

On May 02 2008 04:23 Frits wrote:


And what do you want the people who always respected Baezzi to do about it? I always praised him for his work and now he cuts his vods to this site which I am a member of as well. I have the right to be insulted by Baezzi for condemning me for no reason.



Let's just look at the facts for a second:

-he comes into a thread with blind nationalist pride about information that's taken from korean police department statistics
-he removes embedding in tl.net because of what ONE person posted
-he hijacks an account that belongs to teamliquid and uses it to get "revenge" on teamliquid

That makes him extremely childish and undeserving of the account. There are plenty of people prepared to upload vods, it's the account that's rare. What you're saying doesn't even justify what Baezzi does. There are always idiots on the internet who post negative shit, the fact that Baezzi can't handle that makes him so retarded. He knows he has thousands of viewers and just because of one person he thinks he has the right to flip out? He should've left us (everyone at teamliquid who had nothing to do with that thread) out of this fucking mess.

On May 02 2008 04:24 Hurricane wrote:

Because you obviously haven't done you're homework.

You come into a thread and say "omg he's leaving because we hate him. Tell him thank you". I don't even know everything that is going on, but I know that baezzi has pissed a lot of people off.

Yes, his contributions are awesome and we love him for it. However, just because one has a small amount of power does not give one the right to do whatever one wants.

Again, I am not claiming to know everything that is happening but I do know that baezzi isn't perfect.

On May 02 2008 04:28 ForAdun wrote:


I don't consider it to be an "attack", I just don't understand why you're confronting me now instead of people who only cause more and more and more and more trouble...



I fully understand you. I don't want to convince you that BaeZZi did anything right, I only want to make people think before they talk, because the whole situation is tense and confusing so we can't need any extra problems. We need a solution, not a complete mess.

On May 02 2008 04:29 randomKo_Orean wrote:


Let's look at the fact real quick:

1) He busted his tail uploading shit of VODs, really for nothing
2) He does have the right to block any user or forbid a website (ie TL) to embed his videos.


Doesn't matter if he's being childish, you bitches are crying because... well, i don't know, but he has every right to block every single one of us, although we might disagree. Too fuckign bad, right?

On May 02 2008 04:29 randomKo_Orean wrote:


Let's look at the fact real quick:

1) He busted his tail uploading shit of VODs, really for nothing
2) He does have the right to block any user or forbid a website (ie TL) to embed his videos.


Doesn't matter if he's being childish, you bitches are crying because... well, i don't know, but he has every right to block every single one of us, although we might disagree. Too fuckign bad, right?

On May 02 2008 04:31 iG.ClouD wrote:

GTFO

On May 02 2008 04:29 randomKo_Orean wrote:


Let's look at the fact real quick:

1) He busted his tail uploading shit of VODs, really for nothing
2) He does have the right to block any user or forbid a website (ie TL) to embed his videos.


Doesn't matter if he's being childish, you bitches are crying because... well, i don't know, but he has every right to block every single one of us, although we might disagree. Too fuckign bad, right?

On May 02 2008 04:33 jkillashark wrote:

I think people who put poor thought answers in this thread should not post. Please, if you have little to contribute such as GTFO, just think twice before posting.

On May 02 2008 03:55 pyrogenetix wrote:
So in the future, please hold back and think about others when it comes to things regarding countries and such. If someone thinks they are right and you know that you cannot convince him otherwise then why make it uncomfortable for both of you?

On May 02 2008 04:38 ForAdun wrote:
To me it seems that many tl.netters prefer to simply replace a person instead of finding an agreement. This is a very bad sign, it means that the person behind is less important than the work being done - unpaid work!

I have a really bad feeling about this.

On May 02 2008 04:38 ForAdun wrote:
To me it seems that many tl.netters prefer to simply replace a person instead of finding an agreement. This is a very bad sign, it means that the person behind is less important than the work being done - unpaid work!

I have a really bad feeling about this.

On May 02 2008 04:38 ForAdun wrote:
To me it seems that many tl.netters prefer to simply replace a person instead of finding an agreement. This is a very bad sign, it means that the person behind is less important than the work being done - unpaid work!

I have a really bad feeling about this.

On May 02 2008 04:38 ForAdun wrote:
To me it seems that many tl.netters prefer to simply replace a person instead of finding an agreement. This is a very bad sign, it means that the person behind is less important than the work being done - unpaid work!

I have a really bad feeling about this.

On May 02 2008 04:40 IntoTheWow wrote:


What? TL tried to get to an agreement. Why do you comment on things you don't know?

On May 02 2008 04:41 CDRdude wrote:

Why the hell not? How else would we get anything done around here?

On May 02 2008 04:42 Jimtudor wrote:
Nobody wants to replace him. We want him back. Where did you get the idea from.

On May 02 2008 04:42 Jimtudor wrote:
Nobody wants to replace him. We want him back. Where did you get the idea from.

On May 02 2008 04:41 ForAdun wrote:


I didn't mean you. I meant a huge part of the community that seems to prefer quick actions taken no matter how bad it might end.

On May 02 2008 04:44 iG.ClouD wrote:

lol im done with this. Seems like baezzi attracts the sympathy of people similar to him. No surprise. Please foradun keep saying the same thing over and over even if people is proving ur totally wrong. Its fun.

On May 02 2008 04:46 ForAdun wrote:


What exactly did I say that can be proven wrong? I just have my thoughts about the cause of the drama, that's my own thing. You can see it differently, but you can't say that diplomacy is wrong. Or do you?

On May 02 2008 04:38 ForAdun wrote:
To me it seems that many tl.netters prefer to simply replace a person instead of finding an agreement. This is a very bad sign, it means that the person behind is less important than the work being done - unpaid work!

I have a really bad feeling about this.

On May 02 2008 04:51 Kwark wrote:
Btw, I disagree with the ban of ForAdun, if it's suddenly become wrong to post angrily on a subject you know nothing about then we need a lot more bans around here. As far as I know it's not a bannable offence to disagree with tl mods provided you do it politely.

On May 02 2008 04:51 Kwark wrote:
Btw, I disagree with the ban of ForAdun, if it's suddenly become wrong to post angrily on a subject you know nothing about then we need a lot more bans around here. As far as I know it's not a bannable offence to disagree with tl mods provided you do it politely.

On May 02 2008 05:02 Kennigit wrote:

He's also previously banned user banned for trolling.

On May 02 2008 05:05 LordWeird wrote:
We should just all stop crawling in Baezzi's skin.
<_<

On May 02 2008 05:08 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.

On May 02 2008 04:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
need elmo sign

On May 02 2008 03:53 yoshtodd wrote:


Even if you think he's being childish, and the situation stupid, it doesn't mean you have to say so. When a person is angry they tend to be less rational, and they will respond pretty hotly to words like "stupid", "ridiculous", and "childish". Sometimes it benefits all parties more if you don't voice your criticism, even though you are "right". I don't think it matters much now though doesn't look like he'll be coming back. Not everything in life is a win lose debate... I think Physician made some good points, and so have you. No need to posture as being superior.

On May 02 2008 05:23 CultureMisfits wrote:
whats he bitching about, Japan is a better country anyways!

On May 02 2008 05:08 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Well. Baezzi did contribute a great deal to Teamliquid.

He was offended by Haji's post and saw no reason for it.
Live2Win's response to Baezzi was not written well, so it ended up offending him more.

Someone with good Korean should have stepped up and carefully explained the situation to him. Instead, Baezzi kept misunderstanding. Now we just have an ugly mess on our hands.

Better for Live2Win/Haji to make a combined explanation or apology that will help him to understand, in order to get Baezzi back into Teamliquid.

On May 02 2008 05:13 Kwark wrote:

I think things have progressed too far for that. He has shown himself to be a petulant attention whore who believes his contributions make him outrank mods. Furthermore he has pretty much ruined the vod section of the TLPD. For two very senior tl members to apologise to him and for tl to just ignore his offences will make him unmanageable. The guy got upset over nothing and then went on a crazy power trip, believing himself to be too valuable to lose. Feeding that will only make things worse.

On May 02 2008 05:34 blagoonga123 wrote:
Korean people absolutely HATE HATE HATE it when japanese people badmouth their country. I remember one time my Dad read in a korean newspaper that japanese people were messing with some korean history texts or something, and he wouldn't let me watch anime for like 2 months.

On May 02 2008 02:31 Kwark wrote:
This whole situation is ridiculous. He's being ridiculously childish. I appreciate all he has done for the site but acting out like this is a bannable offence at tl.

On May 02 2008 05:35 talismania wrote:
it's not like he's closed the youtube account, at least. how many watch the vods embedded here anyway?

On May 02 2008 05:20 teamsolid wrote:

Exactly. Think a bit before you keep calling him "childish". I think there's obviously a deep background and reason for Baezzi's outrage. Maybe one of his grand parents or relatives was raped or killed by a Japanese soldier during WW2. The point is that, YOU DON'T KNOW! Race, country, rape are all very sensitive matters.

When there's already a language barrier, making more of these kinds of remarks towards him only fuels the flames. Even if you think (or even know) you're right, learn to keep it to yourself. I think the people who are calling him "childish" are the ones who are actually immature.

This is why politically/racially sensitive material is avoided on the MSM. Sometimes, even perfectly valid points can easily be misinterpreted into racial attacks.

On May 02 2008 03:24 TehKris wrote:
I love BaeZZi. He's not overreacting, Live2Win is a cockhead!

Long LIVE BAEZZI!

On May 02 2008 05:31 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:


what the hell man, how are you going to apologize for a bloody opinion. BaeZZi acted like an ass getting offended on a discussion about certain topic. If you read TL.net commandments it is forbidden to make any racist/sexist etc marks. There were none. BaeZZi just got offended by nothing and then become fucking stubborn even though the admins were kind trying to explain the situation and he just dissmissed them.

hell even he broke the fucking rules when he started posting in korean. There are a bunch of non-koreans here that dont speak korean, and yet he posts in the forum in a non official language, who does he think he is to break the bloody rules? if he's gonna post, he shoulda post in english or if he cant speak english he should've asked for translation i dont know...

admins here acted more mature than him, its his fault if he doesnt want to come. about the retaliation of the embeded vods: it just says about his childish reaction.

oh btw as if rape was a bad topics, there has been a bunch of touchy topics on the general forum and i dont think it has ever happened what just happened.

On May 02 2008 05:53 wswordsmen wrote:
Has anyone considered just swallowing their pride and apologizing for all transgressions regardless of whether Baezzi is right or wrong?

On May 02 2008 05:47 Ancestral wrote:

Okay, race and rape are very sensitive matters, but I wouldn't get bent completely out of shape if there was a newspaper that apparently showed some statistics in Canada (our mortal enemy, they burned down the White House) were favorable over those in the U.S. (there are lots of these figures), and in this case, EVERYONE was saying the statistics for Japan weren't even true, so there was no insult to Korean whatsoever.

On May 02 2008 05:53 wswordsmen wrote:
Has anyone considered just swallowing their pride and apologizing for all transgressions regardless of whether Baezzi is right or wrong?

Personally I can't see anyone profiting from this feud, and I don't see any advantage for anyone at TL to keep it going. (quick disclaimer I read the thread I know it was a misunderstanding and no one is angry at him, that is half my point)

So why don't you just surrender it will be the best thing for everybody involved. Let him think what he wants and never ever bring up the subject again.

On May 02 2008 02:31 Kwark wrote:
This whole situation is ridiculous. He's being ridiculously childish. I appreciate all he has done for the site but acting out like this is a bannable offence at tl.

On May 02 2008 06:11 f10esqftw wrote:


It's comments like this why he left. If you read the vid, he says that during the argument people were acting like he was being childish. I think it was because he perceived people were mocking his reaction more than the misunderstanding itself.

On May 02 2008 06:22 teamsolid wrote:
Kwark, it does NOT matter if he is right or wrong. There is nothing to be gained from continuing to insult Baezzi. Tell me, what exactly do you "win" from winning a war on the Internet?

On May 02 2008 06:22 teamsolid wrote:
Kwark, it does NOT matter if he is right or wrong. Unless you for some reason actually hate Baezzi, there is nothing to be gained from continuing to insulting him. Tell me, what exactly do you "win" from winning a war on the Internet?

On May 02 2008 06:28 Kwark wrote:

Nothing. To be honest what I've said in this thread hasn't been aimed to insult. If I wanted to insult him I'd send him rude messages on youtube or make insulting comments on there. What I've been doing is arguing that BaeZZi has been deliberately confrontational and extremely childish out of a mixture of misplaced nationalism and excessive self importance. I don't hate him, I think he should be banned from tl like every other poster like him. None of my posts here have been directed at BaeZZi, they have been to attempt to convince people who try and justify his actions that they really are indefensible and that tl really has no choice now but to ban him.

On May 02 2008 06:38 chamois wrote:
I understand the ban I guess if he was arguing with mods after they told him to stop, but what part of that calls for an ip ban?

On May 02 2008 05:58 PGS.Marine wrote:


can anyone pour some vodka for this gentleman ?

On May 02 2008 06:33 teamsolid wrote:

Since he clearly reads TL.net (which is how he found the article in the first place), posting insulting comments about him on TL is about the same as making comments on his YouTube acct. You keep justifying your actions by saying how his reactions were "misplaced". But, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, because the only thing you gain from insulting him is inflating your own pride/ego.

Anyways, I'm done with this.

On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.

Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser.

On May 02 2008 03:07 Physician wrote:
I will not judge him but for what he has already done for all of us, which is has been great; I enjoyed many of his uploaded vods. Ultimately it's his choice and his effort.
Even if there was a misunderstanding these happen way too often and too easily with online text communications to justify calling him "ridiculously stupid" or "childish" by people who don't even know him or know exactly what happened.

On May 02 2008 06:06 Phoned wrote:
Fuck him.

Eventually some other dork with lots of time will upload VOD's. He's trying to throw his weight around to feel special. Loser.

On May 02 2008 06:47 Squallcloud wrote:
Made me think about TL ten Commandments

1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE

You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accomodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions. But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply IP ban you. If we're really pissed off, then we IP ban you AND nuke every single post you've uploaded to the site - ever. It will be as if you had never existed here. This is our house. You've been warned.

Also Rule number 2

2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE

Common sense, people, common sense. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (And if you happen to be into masochism, then you're at the wrong site, anyway.)

[...]

There are also a number of Rules of Posting in our forums. Take the time to observe and learn them. There are way too many to recite here, but the following are a few important examples:

- Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched.

- Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass.

- Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members ? and we sure as hell would like to keep them!

[...]

Rule number three not bad too ^^

3. THOU SHALL THINK BEFORE POSTING

Please, think before you chime in with your opinion on a given post or series of posts. There will usually be some history behind a given exchange in our forums, so take the time to observe what might really be going on and put the conversation into context before you decide who's "right" and who's "wrong." Above all, take into account who is posting - context is everything. Chirping in with your grossly uninformed opinions will only make you look dumb and irritate the heck out of the people who do know what's going on.

We can't tell you how many little kids we've ripped to shreds because they reacted first instead of thinking. The absolute worst examples are overzealous pinheads who automatically react with righteous indignation when an Admin bans someone for posting something that, to them, seems innocuous - never thinking that we could be banning that guy for a whole bunch of other things and that this may just have been the final straw. There's a reason why we do the things we do around here.

And please don't try to be Freud or Jung. Don't second-guess the motives for why someone wrote something. Only the author knows for sure the "whys." Respond to what's written. Avoid responding with comments filled with half-baked psychoanalytical presumptions about the poster?s imputed agenda or their psych profile. So, for example, when someone writes a detailed post outlining his/her strategy for countering a tank push, feel free to respond to or even criticize the content of the original post - but don't write about how the guy's just trying to impress everyone with his/her knowledge because of an inferiority complex! You don't know that and no one cares. Stop psychoanalyzing - you don't have a license to practice.

Maybe Baezzi should read them again :p

On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:

Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread.

On May 02 2008 06:53 teamsolid wrote:

Honestly, this should be just as bannable as the other people who were banned in this thread.

On May 02 2008 07:02 Phoned wrote:
This is clearly a situation where an individual is trying to make the entire community his bitch. How do you want me to feel? This has gone far beyond "misunderstanding." He knows he things have gone too far and his automatic response is to go on the attack. This is not the first time, and if he sticks around, it won't be the last.

On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:

teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact.

BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why?

I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing.

On May 02 2008 07:02 Phoned wrote:
This is clearly a situation where an individual is trying to make the entire community his bitch. How do you want me to feel? This has gone far beyond "misunderstanding." He knows he things have gone too far and his automatic response is to go on the attack. This is not the first time, and if he sticks around, it won't be the last.

I don't like him.

On May 02 2008 06:47 f10esqftw wrote:
LOL, I was just about to say.... if he finds this thread, he's definitely never coming back. GG guys. Well done.

On May 02 2008 07:01 HeadBangaa wrote:

teamsolid, he is exactly correct! Why should Phoned be banned, he made a statement of fact.

BaeZZi should be perma-banned, and everyone siding with him should be temp banned, just for lacking common sense. Absolute non-sense and idiocy are rampant all of the sudden, why why why?

I can't believe there's even a disagreement on the matter; I'm hoping it's just a-game on 12 different aliases, doing his little underdog-champion thing.

On May 02 2008 06:47 f10esqftw wrote:
LOL, I was just about to say.... if he finds this thread, he's definitely never coming back. GG guys. Well done.

On May 02 2008 07:06 useLess wrote:


And then what? Even if he comes back, should we bother with a ticking time bomb?

On May 02 2008 07:07 Kwark wrote:
Physician is on his side too. Not that I expect that to surprise anyone.

On May 02 2008 05:31 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:


what the hell man, how are you going to apologize for a bloody opinion. BaeZZi acted like an ass getting offended on a discussion about certain topic. If you read TL.net commandments it is forbidden to make any racist/sexist etc marks. There were none. BaeZZi just got offended by nothing and then become fucking stubborn even though the admins were kind trying to explain the situation and he just dissmissed them.

hell even he broke the fucking rules when he started posting in korean. There are a bunch of non-koreans here that dont speak korean, and yet he posts in the forum in a non official language, who does he think he is to break the bloody rules? if he's gonna post, he shoulda post in english or if he cant speak english he should've asked for translation i dont know...

admins here acted more mature than him, its his fault if he doesnt want to come. about the retaliation of the embeded vods: it just says about his childish reaction.

oh btw as if rape was a bad topics, there has been a bunch of touchy topics on the general forum and i dont think it has ever happened what just happened.

On May 02 2008 06:43 Zalfor wrote:
survival of the whole > individual.

bye!

On May 02 2008 07:04 Ecael wrote:



I disagree, he should not be perma-banned, the problem in question should be checked with how much power he has at his disposal. He isn't doing anything beyond what any user temp-banned is doing once we take into the consideration of the little power that they have handy. To ban him would be to validate the viewpoint that he has on that thread by censoring him, or that's how I am reading it. While many might believe the opinion to be misguided, it certainly isn't a bannable offense, we've seen far worse in terms of just opinions.

On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote:

Look you're new or something so I'll cut you some slack: TL is ruled with an iron fist; it is the number-1 reason the forum has retained quality and subsequent interest. If you browse through old threads, you'll see users with several thousands of posts, who've been nuked or perma-banned, usually because they tried swinging their weight around or over-stepping themselves; they got too comfortable. The ban hammer is blind justice. Nobody is sacred! And that is a good thing. If you disagree with that on some philosophical basis, then you are not aligned with the 10 Commandments and the running philosophy of the admins, and should seek out stimey/mitsy/rednob and the rest of the banned-wagon <--- lol i made a funny

For those of us who enjoy justice, seeing a little twerp trying to exercise his itty-bitty influence to such extent is vulgar and offensive to the website itself, and to all the people who visit here. Especially because of his overt racism.

On May 02 2008 07:17 Chill wrote:
I mean that's great in theory WiP, it's a little harder when hes doing the old "nya nya I can't hear you." I guess we can see what happens.

On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:


Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did?
Answer: Probably not."

On May 02 2008 07:13 teamsolid wrote:
Just to make this clear: NO ONE is siding with him.

I think he's wrong too. But, if you've actually read any of my comments, my only point was that there is nothing beneficial to be gained whatsoever by anyone here or by TL.net as a whole from continuing to insult him, but there is/was plenty to lose.

On May 02 2008 07:17 HeadBangaa wrote:



edit: he is not irreplaceable, why do people keep speaking as though he is? FUCK'EM

On May 02 2008 07:21 Darkmole wrote:


There is going to be :D and that person will be me hopefully :D
Right now im trying to post the proleague SKT1 vs STX but i tried yesterday and it didnt upload... it was pissing me off -_-"

On May 02 2008 07:21 Darkmole wrote:


There is going to be :D and that person will be me hopefully :D
Right now im trying to post the proleague SKT1 vs STX but i tried yesterday and it didnt upload... it was pissing me off -_-"

On May 02 2008 07:20 WhatisProtoss wrote:

I know that you're a veteran of the site.

But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us.


Next time he starts posting in a questionable thread, we should ignore him. Then he won't be further aggravated. The reason why he says "nya nya" is because we keep trying to push things into his little brain. If we stop doing that, then he wouldn't be doing that.

On May 02 2008 07:16 WhatisProtoss wrote:

Peh.

Survival of the Whole = Depends on VOD watching
VOD watching = Made possible through Baezzi

Question: Can anybody upload VODs like Baezzi did?
Answer: Probably not.

Survival of the Whole = High probability of needing Baezzi
Saying bye to Baezzi = Not a good solution.

It's like, Early Microsoft saying bye to Bill Gates. "Sorry Bill, you're not as important as the whole. Get over yourself."

It could be correct that Live2Win said..

you don't understand in Korean deep Language >?

It's the mood of the conversation and the way Live2Win indirectly telling Baezzi to shut up and get more English language skill.

On May 02 2008 07:20 WhatisProtoss wrote:

I know that you're a veteran of the site.

But, you must understand that a user with a high post count is different from Baezzi. High post count doesn't really amount to anything, except as a testament to the fact that you've survived that long on this site. Baezzi, however, does not have a high post count. He is something entirely different. He is a contributor to the culture of TL : providing starcraft VODs for us.

On May 02 2008 07:26 Bill307 wrote:

This kind of attitude only reinforces his behaviour by confirming that we really do need and depend on him.

And only a fool would continue to depend on a person like Baezzi after this incident.

On May 02 2008 07:23 alffla wrote:


are you sure

On May 02 2008 07:24 WhatisProtoss wrote:

But you failed already... @_@

Baezzi had his hands on the VODs immediately. Proleague, Starleague, MSL, Special Events. Everything related to Starcraft you could ever think of. You think you can shoulder those responsibilities, and do it in a timely fashion? Uploading them takes time and like you said, failure.