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LG)cheloman
Profile Joined June 2004
Argentina159 Posts
February 11 2008 08:55 GMT
#21
On February 11 2008 12:50 Krohm wrote:
iCCup clearly copied the rank letter icons... Along with the rating system. The forum points system is also a copy of PGT. I'm sure theres more, but I don't play iCCup. It's just what I noticed with in 10 seconds on browsing the site.

Anyways, I miss PGT. I rather enjoyed it.


Well... yes, there is a lot more of direct copy from PGT but, there are a lot of new stuff too.
Admins and other trolls made a new pack of letter for ranks and people gave their opinion. As you can guess, everyone loves the old PGT style, and thats why it was never changed.
Forum points system is almost similar, flags at server are similar, but the most part of copy are visible.

Admin panel, players profile, complaint manager, etc, isn´t similar at all.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
February 11 2008 15:57 GMT
#22
It seemed to be advertised as "the new PGT" and everyone I talked to was like "Oh yeah, it's great. It's not as good as PGT because of the lag (Abyss had weird lag when it first came out), but it's about the same."

I think they were aiming for the PGT look-alike, as a lot of people were in serious pain of the lack of PGT, and that all of the alternative ladders were crap at the time, and when they logged onto Abyss they felt right at home seeing the rank icons and the same point system
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-11 16:21:18
February 11 2008 16:11 GMT
#23
PGT was great, better than iccup atm

thats the thing, atm
things change k
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
February 11 2008 16:16 GMT
#24
Don't see what the big deal about the copying is. I mean, it would be one thing if they were competing and then jacked it. But community needed a replacement for its best ladder, so they took the best elements and rolled with it.
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Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
February 11 2008 17:20 GMT
#25
I don't think he meant it in a bad way anyway. He said he was "VERY VERY VERY Glad".
Don't get offended...to copy something does rarely mean something bad.
There never was a need to re-invent the wheel.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
February 11 2008 17:30 GMT
#26
What did they copy... lol, even the front page layout is EXACTLY the same and it was advertised as the next pgt, they basically copied everything.
I'll call Nada.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 11 2008 17:46 GMT
#27
The foreign BW scene was set back so much by Pat's childish action. It was a stupid, petty, selfish thing to do, and it's hard for me to forgive him for that. He may have done a great deal of volunteer work, which is commendable, but when you're in such a position where so many people depend on you, you assume a certain set of responsibilities. Just like how it would be stupid, petty, and selfish if Manifesto7 just decided to shut down TL today because he didn't feel like running it anymore. At the very least Pat had an obligation to find someone else to run PGT if he had any concern for the community.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
February 11 2008 17:58 GMT
#28
why would anyone feel sorry for PGT when you have it now in ICC. you can only feel nostalgic for your old friends, old better days, old everything. PGT was just a ladder.

I knew sooner or later a ladder like PGT would come back and everyone will play it. many shitty ladders appeared, and everyone said "dont say we want PGT coz pgt is gone". Then Abyss came and gave us the new PGT. -.-
Phantom
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada2151 Posts
February 11 2008 22:13 GMT
#29
On February 12 2008 02:46 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The foreign BW scene was set back so much by Pat's childish action. It was a stupid, petty, selfish thing to do, and it's hard for me to forgive him for that. He may have done a great deal of volunteer work, which is commendable, but when you're in such a position where so many people depend on you, you assume a certain set of responsibilities. Just like how it would be stupid, petty, and selfish if Manifesto7 just decided to shut down TL today because he didn't feel like running it anymore. At the very least Pat had an obligation to find someone else to run PGT if he had any concern for the community.


Responsibilities my ass. When a mother gives birth, that's a responsibility, but when a man creates a site for the community to enjoy, that's different. But if indeed you do equate the birth of a child to creating PGTour, then Pat is your fucking mother, now give some respect for all the shit chr1s, gybs, tilaser, and pat went through for your birth.

it's not like he got bored and just went..."nah not today" it was most likely frustration. I would also think running a ladder is different from a forum with even more dedicated volunteers who have something more fun and exciting such as the korean pro-scene than for players outside the community who often are more bad mannered than they are good.
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Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
February 11 2008 23:33 GMT
#30
I dont mind if iccup copied some features.
Many failed ladder-projects showed, that everyone wanted PGT or something like it. So the iccup team did the only correct thing for the BW community. they gave us a ladder that feels a bit like PGT in the god old days!
Thanks PAT for the great time with PGT and thanks to iccup for giving us a great ladder atm!
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
February 11 2008 23:40 GMT
#31
On February 12 2008 02:46 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The foreign BW scene was set back so much by Pat's childish action. It was a stupid, petty, selfish thing to do, and it's hard for me to forgive him for that. He may have done a great deal of volunteer work, which is commendable, but when you're in such a position where so many people depend on you, you assume a certain set of responsibilities. Just like how it would be stupid, petty, and selfish if Manifesto7 just decided to shut down TL today because he didn't feel like running it anymore. At the very least Pat had an obligation to find someone else to run PGT if he had any concern for the community.


Just here its kinda different, work and responsibility is shared. Mani could not shut down this page, you need Joy or Vic for that. Or if PoP is mean he probably could do that too ^^.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
February 11 2008 23:59 GMT
#32
It's not like PGTour didn't borrow ideas from other ladders.. They at least thought of an original name, instead of changing the first word of WGTour.
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 12 2008 00:24 GMT
#33
I won't even sarcastically thank Pat. PGT was probably one of the best, if not the best thing to happen to the foreign BW community, and then when something goes awry, he just disappears. No explanation, no apology, no nothing.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
February 12 2008 02:03 GMT
#34
Every website on the internet was inspired by others. The same thing goes for every type of art form. If we're talking about technical only though, it's a ladder so of course it's going to use the same kind of statistics and else...

Pat was really selfish by not letting anyone else put it back up on their own money though (if he absolutely couldn't keep running it himself), so I don't give a shit what he has to say personally. We all really needed that back then and he ditched out. He gets no props. There's tons of volunteer work that goes on behind the scenes of all top sites in every niche, and most of the folks get no credit. So he definitely doesn't deserve any.
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
February 12 2008 02:20 GMT
#35
On February 12 2008 11:03 Skew wrote:
Every website on the internet was inspired by others. The same thing goes for every type of art form. If we're talking about technical only though, it's a ladder so of course it's going to use the same kind of statistics and else...

Pat was really selfish by not letting anyone else put it back up on their own money though (if he absolutely couldn't keep running it himself), so I don't give a shit what he has to say personally. We all really needed that back then and he ditched out. He gets no props. There's tons of volunteer work that goes on behind the scenes of all top sites in every niche, and most of the folks get no credit. So he definitely doesn't deserve any.


I second that, for the most part.
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
February 12 2008 02:37 GMT
#36
you fags who bitch about pat have absolutely zero appreciation on how much work and time he had to put up.
Rillanon.au
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
February 12 2008 02:41 GMT
#37
PR's contributed quite a lot but others commenting in this thread can't hold a flame to the contributions pat made. people like GI and skew should realize they are dwarfs on the BW scene compared to pat and should maybe think twice about dissing one of the gods of foreign SC

that's one thing that will always be in the sc community though, a lot of unappreciative pricks who never comprehend even a fraction of the colossal sacrifices being made to keep our community running at any given time.

--

anyways its nice to get that interview and 'close the book', so to speak, on the issue. thanks for posting it cheloman.
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OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
February 12 2008 03:00 GMT
#38
On February 12 2008 11:20 PuertoRican wrote:
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On February 12 2008 11:03 Skew wrote:
Every website on the internet was inspired by others. The same thing goes for every type of art form. If we're talking about technical only though, it's a ladder so of course it's going to use the same kind of statistics and else...

Pat was really selfish by not letting anyone else put it back up on their own money though (if he absolutely couldn't keep running it himself), so I don't give a shit what he has to say personally. We all really needed that back then and he ditched out. He gets no props. There's tons of volunteer work that goes on behind the scenes of all top sites in every niche, and most of the folks get no credit. So he definitely doesn't deserve any.


I second that, for the most part.

I agree too.
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
February 12 2008 03:01 GMT
#39
It's not the fact that Pat didn't contribute a lot, that's why I said I agree with Skew for the most part of what he said, since he focused on Pat leaving and stuff, not about his skill.

I'm on the same boat with Skew when it comes to his feelings on Pat leaving like he did.

I obviously am aware of what Pat did for the community, which was a lot, and I would never say he didn't contribute a lot, cuz I think he did.

So in conclusion, did Pat contribute a lot? yes.
Was he wrong in leaving the way he did? yes.
Did he admit to leaving faster than he should have, but it's just how he is when he decides on things? yes.
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
February 12 2008 03:06 GMT
#40
so... then he should get props. everyone makes mistakes, and someone with pat's credit is certainly entitled to make some.
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