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Interview to Pat [PGTour Owner]
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LG)cheloman
Argentina159 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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tttt
United States386 Posts
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
On February 11 2008 12:14 Dknight wrote: How is ICCup copying PGT? The fact that they're both on private servers?! While there is some room for differences in designing a site that is primarily a ladder, there will be so much that cannot be not copied. Word. ------------------ All gaming sites will have some similarity to one another, even if it's a small thing. Ladder sites have a greater chance of being similar. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
Anyways, I miss PGT. I rather enjoyed it. | ||
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BrutalMenace
United States1237 Posts
i played the beta season or w/e.... esp. season 1-2... then quit till like season 5 or w/e. Good times, i got lots of respect to people who do stuff like this for the community. | ||
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Agavond
448 Posts
Anyone who takes the time and money to help the BW community deserves HUGE thanks. THANKS GUYS <3333 | ||
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64565462
Slovenia67 Posts
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Folca
2235 Posts
i really dont know why  | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On February 11 2008 12:50 Krohm wrote: iCCup clearly copied the rank letter icons... Along with the rating system. The forum points system is also a copy of PGT. I'm sure theres more, but I don't play iCCup. It's just what I noticed with in 10 seconds on browsing the site. Anyways, I miss PGT. I rather enjoyed it. And PGT didn't copy from other ladders like Cloria or Cloud from back in the day? And PGT was the first to come up with Forum Points? And the list goes on. | ||
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
for one thing, by design PGTour looks way cooler than iccup :D | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On February 11 2008 12:05 Manifesto7 wrote: horray, thanks Pat, not that your good wishes mean anything years after the fact. -_- I sorta know what you mean. The foreign Brood War scene took a major hit when PGTour went down, and Pat did nothing to at least explain why. | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
On February 11 2008 13:33 Dknight wrote: And PGT didn't copy from other ladders like Cloria or Cloud from back in the day? And PGT was the first to come up with Forum Points? And the list goes on. Word. ---------------- Everyone will always compare a good ladder to a previous good ladder, and always say the older ladder was better. All old school players will remember that Gamei (not the fake Game-i) was the best ladder ever for Starcraft. Having to get a Korean to make you an account because you needed a Korean ss# was a big part of what made it fun, then playing games was exciting as well. | ||
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LG)cheloman
Argentina159 Posts
On February 11 2008 12:50 Krohm wrote: iCCup clearly copied the rank letter icons... Along with the rating system. The forum points system is also a copy of PGT. I'm sure theres more, but I don't play iCCup. It's just what I noticed with in 10 seconds on browsing the site. Anyways, I miss PGT. I rather enjoyed it. Well... yes, there is a lot more of direct copy from PGT but, there are a lot of new stuff too. Admins and other trolls made a new pack of letter for ranks and people gave their opinion. As you can guess, everyone loves the old PGT style, and thats why it was never changed. Forum points system is almost similar, flags at server are similar, but the most part of copy are visible. Admin panel, players profile, complaint manager, etc, isn´t similar at all. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
I think they were aiming for the PGT look-alike, as a lot of people were in serious pain of the lack of PGT, and that all of the alternative ladders were crap at the time, and when they logged onto Abyss they felt right at home seeing the rank icons and the same point system | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
thats the thing, atm things change k | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Don't get offended...to copy something does rarely mean something bad. There never was a need to re-invent the wheel. | ||
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lololol
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
I knew sooner or later a ladder like PGT would come back and everyone will play it. many shitty ladders appeared, and everyone said "dont say we want PGT coz pgt is gone". Then Abyss came and gave us the new PGT. -.- | ||
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On February 12 2008 02:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: The foreign BW scene was set back so much by Pat's childish action. It was a stupid, petty, selfish thing to do, and it's hard for me to forgive him for that. He may have done a great deal of volunteer work, which is commendable, but when you're in such a position where so many people depend on you, you assume a certain set of responsibilities. Just like how it would be stupid, petty, and selfish if Manifesto7 just decided to shut down TL today because he didn't feel like running it anymore. At the very least Pat had an obligation to find someone else to run PGT if he had any concern for the community. Responsibilities my ass. When a mother gives birth, that's a responsibility, but when a man creates a site for the community to enjoy, that's different. But if indeed you do equate the birth of a child to creating PGTour, then Pat is your fucking mother, now give some respect for all the shit chr1s, gybs, tilaser, and pat went through for your birth. it's not like he got bored and just went..."nah not today" it was most likely frustration. I would also think running a ladder is different from a forum with even more dedicated volunteers who have something more fun and exciting such as the korean pro-scene than for players outside the community who often are more bad mannered than they are good. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
Many failed ladder-projects showed, that everyone wanted PGT or something like it. So the iccup team did the only correct thing for the BW community. they gave us a ladder that feels a bit like PGT in the god old days! Thanks PAT for the great time with PGT and thanks to iccup for giving us a great ladder atm! | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 12 2008 02:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: The foreign BW scene was set back so much by Pat's childish action. It was a stupid, petty, selfish thing to do, and it's hard for me to forgive him for that. He may have done a great deal of volunteer work, which is commendable, but when you're in such a position where so many people depend on you, you assume a certain set of responsibilities. Just like how it would be stupid, petty, and selfish if Manifesto7 just decided to shut down TL today because he didn't feel like running it anymore. At the very least Pat had an obligation to find someone else to run PGT if he had any concern for the community. Just here its kinda different, work and responsibility is shared. Mani could not shut down this page, you need Joy or Vic for that. Or if PoP is mean he probably could do that too ^^. This will never happen | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
Pat was really selfish by not letting anyone else put it back up on their own money though (if he absolutely couldn't keep running it himself), so I don't give a shit what he has to say personally. We all really needed that back then and he ditched out. He gets no props. There's tons of volunteer work that goes on behind the scenes of all top sites in every niche, and most of the folks get no credit. So he definitely doesn't deserve any. | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
On February 12 2008 11:03 Skew wrote: Every website on the internet was inspired by others. The same thing goes for every type of art form. If we're talking about technical only though, it's a ladder so of course it's going to use the same kind of statistics and else... Pat was really selfish by not letting anyone else put it back up on their own money though (if he absolutely couldn't keep running it himself), so I don't give a shit what he has to say personally. We all really needed that back then and he ditched out. He gets no props. There's tons of volunteer work that goes on behind the scenes of all top sites in every niche, and most of the folks get no credit. So he definitely doesn't deserve any. I second that, for the most part. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
that's one thing that will always be in the sc community though, a lot of unappreciative pricks who never comprehend even a fraction of the colossal sacrifices being made to keep our community running at any given time. -- anyways its nice to get that interview and 'close the book', so to speak, on the issue. thanks for posting it cheloman. | ||
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
I agree too. | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
I'm on the same boat with Skew when it comes to his feelings on Pat leaving like he did. I obviously am aware of what Pat did for the community, which was a lot, and I would never say he didn't contribute a lot, cuz I think he did. So in conclusion, did Pat contribute a lot? yes. Was he wrong in leaving the way he did? yes. Did he admit to leaving faster than he should have, but it's just how he is when he decides on things? yes. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On February 12 2008 11:41 a-game wrote: PR's contributed quite a lot but others commenting in this thread can't hold a flame to the contributions pat made. people like GI and skew should realize they are dwarfs on the BW scene compared to pat and should maybe think twice about dissing one of the gods of foreign SC Please make a list of everything Pat contributed to the foreign starcraft community. edit: Because apparently he did more than manage a small ladder website, then run away with everything when he got cranky. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
On February 12 2008 12:06 Skew wrote: Please make a list of everything Pat contributed to the foreign starcraft community. edit: Because apparently he did more than manage a small ladder website, then run away with everything when he got cranky. In reality, he did 1 thing for the community, but that 1 thing was something that held the community together through hard times, which is a big thing. | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
For starters, PGT was costing Pat a fortune. He took a ridiculous amount of time out of his life, a life that involved a wife. He had a lot of real-life priorities that, without a single doubt, trump any video game and all that's related to it. But Pat dealt with that. Despite any problems in his personal life, he sunk more money and more time into PGTour. As it progressed, admins and webmasters had to leave for their own personal reasons, leaving Pat to do it all himself. After more time, it started getting worse. Hardware was being damaged and he had to hire outside help to work on the server. This was even more money out of pocket. That's the reason for the sponsors we had; to help maintain the costs of the server and website. And still, this money barely made a dent in Pat's final cost. So we rolled out the pay-per-click ads from Google. Those failed too (they canceled us for click-fraud, which never happened). And then the cracker comes out and takes down the entire database. At that point, everything that was PGTour was lost. Recovering the ladder would have cost too much time and too much money. And this time, Pat was left to do it alone. The only choice Pat had was to let it go and let someone else pick up the slack. PGTour was dead, and all that remained was a partial website and almost no staff. What would be the point of trying to bring it back? Sure, Pat taking off without saying a word to anyone sucked, big time. But hey, I don't blame him one bit. That was a big project of his and it got shit on big time and most of the players just bitched and complained. The simple fact is that Pat didn't owe us anything. He brought us one of, if not the, best ladders we've ever seen to this day. It's just a shame we never got the chance to thank him personally for all his work. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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