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Ciaus237
South Africa280 Posts
On July 01 2024 03:22 Poopi wrote: I mean shame on him, when you are at that level of gameplay you owe it to the game/public to actually show up and play He doesn't, that's a pity + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7tKcdXMAcH43E.jpg) No. He doesn't. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4180 Posts
Should have been banned from participating in qualifiers for offline tournaments a looong time ago. If he does not want to participate, that is fine.. but stop taking spots (warping results) and prize money from others. It's kinda disgusting, ngl. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On July 01 2024 05:25 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Imagine my shock! Should have been banned from participating in qualifiers for offline tournaments a looong time ago. If he does not want to participate, that is fine.. but stop taking spots (warping results) and prize money from others. It's kinda disgusting, ngl. Which is covered by the ESL rules regarding replacements. And by the absolute results, do the players he beat even deserve better prize money and points in the first place if they don't have the level to beat him. Regionals are considered individual tournaments even if they provide qualifiers slots. This isn't like during the WCS Challenger era when they were dedicated qualifiers for direct WCS slots. I don't see the "immorality" of him staying online given ESL is allowing him to participate. Not going offline should be ban-worthy ? *eyerolling* | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1605 Posts
On July 01 2024 03:32 thekaas wrote: so many weirdos in esports think being good at a video game means you have some sort of social obligation to perform it in front of an audience. Are you obligated? Well... Sort of. When some of the tournaments you play in part of the prize is qualification for offline tournaments. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On July 01 2024 03:22 Poopi wrote: I mean shame on him, when you are at that level of gameplay you owe it to the game/public to actually show up and play He doesn't, that's a pity I can't tell if you're making a joke, but if you're not, this is an embarrassingly stupid opinion. People are free to live their own lives however they please. | ||
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On July 01 2024 03:22 Poopi wrote: I mean shame on him, when you are at that level of gameplay you owe it to the game/public to actually show up and play He doesn't, that's a pity Classic entitlement at its best Max pax doesn’t owe it anyone to show up to play. Based on your logic. Shame on Maru for not showing up and playing the weekly Cup cause he “owes” it the public But based on your posting history, I ain’t surprised with your mentality | ||
Poopi
France12790 Posts
On July 01 2024 06:11 Blitzball04 wrote: Classic entitlement at its best Max pax doesn’t owe it anyone to show up to play. Based on your logic. Shame on Maru for not showing up and playing the weekly Cup cause he “owes” it the public But based on your posting history, I ain’t surprised with your mentality Don't sign up for things where you are supposed to go LAN afterwards if you don't intend to actually go to the LAN if you qualify. It's fine if you don't want to go to LAN, then don't participate at all in the qualifiers and stuff. Some players such as the Chinese players who really wanted to go, but couldn't make it due to visa issues / other problems were prevented to play despite them wanting to come, and this guy is wasting slots over and over again, in the latest years of the scene. That's a pity. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4180 Posts
On July 01 2024 05:49 CicadaSC wrote: Are you obligated? Well... Sort of. When some of the tournaments you play in part of the prize is qualification for offline tournaments. Exactly right. At least there has to be a valid reason for you not to participate. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4180 Posts
On July 01 2024 06:16 Poopi wrote: Don't sign up for things where you are supposed to go LAN afterwards if you don't intend to actually go to the LAN if you qualify. It's fine if you don't want to go to LAN, then don't participate at all in the qualifiers and stuff. Some players such as the Chinese players who really wanted to go, but couldn't make it due to visa issues / other problems were prevented to play despite them wanting to come, and this guy is wasting slots over and over again, in the latest years of the scene. That's a pity. Very weird that so many people are defending this behaviour.. I'm genuinely perplexed. For me - it's an obviously dirty move on the participant's part. I really don't think that this would be allowed to fly in any other e-sport game, tbh. | ||
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Woosixion
119 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3364 Posts
If Maxpax is rly screwing up the slots or whatever, the fault is with the organizer, there should be a system in place that this doesn't happen, or simply remove the slot. | ||
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On July 01 2024 06:50 ejozl wrote: There's money on the line, you cannot tell someone you don't want to sign up to not sign up that would be discrimination. That is unless there is some qualifier, like you have to be 18, be chinese or what have you. If Maxpax is rly screwing up the slots or whatever, the fault is with the organizer, there should be a system in place that this doesn't happen, or simply remove the slot. They should prevent him for playing in their tournaments such as DH:EU etc. at some point, since he went against the rules many many times and paid fine for it many times. Just stop allowing this person to participate in events that qualify you for offline events if he clearly doesn’t follow the rules, repeatedly. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria908 Posts
On June 30 2024 22:02 Cyro wrote: Everybody who put the game and the safety of players/fans over the chance to make a quick $ abstained. So.. nobody else? He is literally the only player that qualified that abstained. What a terrible take. MaxPax has never attended any offline event regardless of the prize pool or who funded it. This has nothing to do with that. Please take that conversation to the proper thread. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1847 Posts
On July 01 2024 06:11 Blitzball04 wrote: Classic entitlement at its best Max pax doesn’t owe it anyone to show up to play. Based on your logic. Shame on Maru for not showing up and playing the weekly Cup cause he “owes” it the public But based on your posting history, I ain’t surprised with your mentality Oh no I actually agree with you. Maxpax isn't a dancing monkey, he doesn't owe anyone anything. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10325 Posts
On July 01 2024 03:22 Poopi wrote: I mean shame on him, when you are at that level of gameplay you owe it to the game/public to actually show up and play He doesn't, that's a pity Ok and I'd like you to show up to a comedy show and make jokes for us because this is a very funny take. Don't want to? Too bad!! You're obligated!! Seriously who do you think you are to demand what someone does with their life, especially when it's simply for your own entertainment? How incredibly entitled, vain, and selfish. On July 01 2024 06:16 Poopi wrote: Don't sign up for things where you are supposed to go LAN afterwards if you don't intend to actually go to the LAN if you qualify. It's fine if you don't want to go to LAN, then don't participate at all in the qualifiers and stuff. Some players such as the Chinese players who really wanted to go, but couldn't make it due to visa issues / other problems were prevented to play despite them wanting to come, and this guy is wasting slots over and over again, in the latest years of the scene. That's a pity. 1) No one is "supposed to" show up to another tournament they qualified to. Where in the rules does it say players are required to, or supposed to show up to any other events they qualify for? 2) Chinese players having challenges trying to attend or qualify is not Maxpax's problem. 3) No one got their spots stolen. Maxpax isn't wasting any slots. The slots are redistributed to other players based on an already defined system that the players are aware of. The money that he doesn't want is going to someone else that does want it. Where's the shame in that? Seems like the tournament organizer accounted for and allowed players to decide whether to accept their invite to EWC. Good thing the tournament organizer also defined a system that would redistribute any declined invites! Would you say shame on any other player who decided to decline, such as if they have issues competing in a tournament hosted by the Saudi state, or because they have concerns about their personal safety? I'm genuinely curious. | ||
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dysenterymd
1199 Posts
Still, the EU regionals are a big enough tournament that I think it's reductive to view them as "just" a qualifier. Yes, getting a seed into the season finals is amazing (especially considering how dumb the format is), but a 12k first prize is nearly as high as it gets for an online tournament. Ultimately, if a lot of players started complaining about Maxpax messing up the qualification process, I think it would be fair to ask him to not compete, but afaik few to no EU players have complained about MaxPax playing and then declining invites? If the players don't complain, and fans enjoy watching MaxPax, I don't see the big issue. I wish MaxPax played offline, but it's exciting to have a (newish) top player online, especially when they play Protoss. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1137 Posts
In my defense: I was reading up on some stuff for Warcraft 3 before that and there is a WC3 player called Spiral. So I claim innocence! As for the discussion going on: I can see where people are coming from. It is a shame that one of the best players in the world doesn't join the really big tournaments. I know people tend to just assume MaxPax wouldn't perform at all, but lets be a bit optimistic here. Maybe he would in fact be an amazing offline player, changing the course of SC2...we will never know. And I honestly think, if he misses EWC, we can confidently say "never", because if potentially 400K won't motivate him, nothing will. That being said - of course it is completly up to him. As Miz said, he isn't a "dancing monkey". And I don't think it is immoral of him to participate in ESL Europe. It's not a "qualifier", it is a regional event that just also happens to give out EPT Points. If you think ESL Europe is a "qualifier", I kindly remind you that GSL would be one, too. Same with the ESL Cups - in the end, they are just Cups that happen to give out some points. As far as I know, MaxPax has never played a qualifier that was just a qualifier to then not show up. I think what mostly agitates people about MaxPax is the fact that he isn't telling the audience why he doesn't show up. And to be fair: If he doesn't want to, people shouldn't really probe. Gentle reminder that people probed the LoL-player Upset so much about him leaving his team at worlds that his own wife eventually just bursted out that she got sexually abused and that this as the reason he had to come back. In WC3, I remember two cases of players who wouldn't travel. Satiini (who also played SC2) had a horrible fear of traveling. Sadly that also let to him letting his teams down multiple times, when he promised to show up and eventually didn't. The other case was Space, who had...can't remember the name of the illness, but basically a muscle-degeneration, so sadly he often just wasn't able to travel, however much his teammates tried to make it happen (he sadly passed away a few years after his career ended). But in either of those cases, we still knew the players names and the reasons they wouldn't travel. Satiini was apparently a bit of a dick about it, but no one ever blamed Space for not being able to attend tournaments. But with MaxPax, we don't even know his full name. And as much as I think about it, I really can't think of a reason why a danish person would be that mysterious about himself. Super-strict parents? Crown-Prince? I really don't know. Anyway, as I said, eventually it is his decision. I just hope the player-camp knew beforehand that he won't attend, so Spirit knows to make travel-arrangement while one more EU-player can hope to play in the qualifiers in a few days. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1605 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1137 Posts
On July 01 2024 11:19 CicadaSC wrote: Declining this $1,000,000 prizepool tournament invitation clearly shows money is not the be all end all for him. If he just wants to be an online hero, fine. He can do that. But at this point he should not be allowed to compete in events that serve as qualifiers for offline events. It completely messes up the bracket and he may end up eliminating people early who would have a real shot at qualifying otherwise. So basically he shouldn't be allowed to compete at all, since most things he competes in are in some ways "qualifier"? Quick question also: If a korean knows he can't compete in the next World Cup, should he drop out of GSL aswell? He will essentially take away points and mess up the bracket. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1605 Posts
On July 01 2024 11:44 Balnazza wrote: So basically he shouldn't be allowed to compete at all, since most things he competes in are in some ways "qualifier"? Quick question also: If a korean knows he can't compete in the next World Cup, should he drop out of GSL aswell? He will essentially take away points and mess up the bracket. I think it's a grey area, one because GSL is a lan and him competing in world cup would be out of his control, also people given their military service notice typically don't know well ahead of time when the letter will come. A lot of people view GSL as it's own tournament as well, and it would exist without the EPT system so it's kind of different where as the regionals are specifically designed to qualify players from each region into a big offline main event. Also, I think if u do take this stance it could be argued tournaments giving ept points are okay but tourneys which gives direct qualifying spots are not. I don't know, it is for the tournament organizers discretion if any rules were to be amended where exactly they would draw the line but I see ur point and it's a sticky situation. | ||
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