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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1381 Posts
July 03 2024 15:14 GMT
#141
On July 03 2024 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The difference is that, these players missing the events due to circumstances out of their control. And it would be the first time, or 2nd time if that happened. Meanwhile MaxPax has showed repeatedly that he wont play in the offline tournaments, I believe repeated "offenders" normally got treated differently in general public?


It might be out of control for MaxPax aswell. We just say "he doesn't want to go", but maybe he really just can't go. I refer for that to the case of Space in WC3 I mentioned earlier, someone who was really not able to travel because of illness/handicap.
So what, ESL should write in their contracts "you can't compete in this tournament that literally is the backbone of this game if you are too crippled to travel to the finals, fuckoff"?

At this point, I think it is fairly save to say that MaxPax doesn't just "don't want to show up". No one passes up this much money (at this point we are talking probably like around a million of potential Prizepools he has missed out on?) because they are a little shy. So if it is a medical condition in any shape or form, you can hardly exclude him playing from a tournament that functions perfecly fine on its own.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7439 Posts
July 04 2024 11:13 GMT
#142
How funny would it be if MaxPax were to play and win the Last Chance qualifier?
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7439 Posts
July 04 2024 11:17 GMT
#143
On July 03 2024 23:10 tigera6 wrote:
The difference is that, these players missing the events due to circumstances out of their control. And it would be the first time, or 2nd time if that happened. Meanwhile MaxPax has showed repeatedly that he wont play in the offline tournaments, I believe repeated "offenders" normally got treated differently in general public?


The most probable reason for me is that MaxPax is autistic and no, that is not something he can control...
At least that would explain a lot
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-11 06:44:19
July 11 2024 06:41 GMT
#144
In this interview, MaxPax says that he's never been to a restaurant.
So, there is interesting evidence that whatever reason he's not attending offline events, could be the same reason he doesn't go eat out.

There are people with immune disorders, so leaving the house can result in them getting deathly sick. Something like that would easily explain things and justify him not being able to attend.

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Perceivere
Profile Joined February 2024
133 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-11 16:26:45
July 11 2024 16:25 GMT
#145
Some of the most amazing games I've seen had been played on online.

"It's not that I play better offline. Everyone else just seems to play worse."

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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 11 2024 16:35 GMT
#146
Playing offline will always impact people differently. Some people don't travel well, get jet lagged, even differences in food or altitude can have an impact. Some aren't as comfortable playing on a stage with white noise blasting through headphones, some just find it distracting to play in an environment they haven't practiced in.

Home court advantage is a thing in every sport. People play better when they're well rested, and are playing in same environment they practice in. It's a shame in some sense that offline competitions are considered "real tournaments" in esports, because being resistant to all those factors is something outside of actual skill in the game
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27473 Posts
July 11 2024 19:28 GMT
#147
On July 12 2024 01:35 Fango wrote:
Playing offline will always impact people differently. Some people don't travel well, get jet lagged, even differences in food or altitude can have an impact. Some aren't as comfortable playing on a stage with white noise blasting through headphones, some just find it distracting to play in an environment they haven't practiced in.

Home court advantage is a thing in every sport. People play better when they're well rested, and are playing in same environment they practice in. It's a shame in some sense that offline competitions are considered "real tournaments" in esports, because being resistant to all those factors is something outside of actual skill in the game

This. When people talk about wanting to see the ‘best StarCraft’, frequently they’re really talking about the latter. Which is totally fine, but as you say is a test of a lot of other factors too.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4300 Posts
July 11 2024 19:48 GMT
#148
On July 11 2024 15:41 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
In this interview, MaxPax says that he's never been to a restaurant.
So, there is interesting evidence that whatever reason he's not attending offline events, could be the same reason he doesn't go eat out.

There are people with immune disorders, so leaving the house can result in them getting deathly sick. Something like that would easily explain things and justify him not being able to attend.

https://youtu.be/W6Ps9HIB9NE?t=2309

that sucks and I really feel for him if it's anything not in his powers to change.. but all the points made previously still stand.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3561 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-11 21:46:48
July 11 2024 21:42 GMT
#149
On July 11 2024 15:41 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
In this interview, MaxPax says that he's never been to a restaurant.
So, there is interesting evidence that whatever reason he's not attending offline events, could be the same reason he doesn't go eat out.

There are people with immune disorders, so leaving the house can result in them getting deathly sick. Something like that would easily explain things and justify him not being able to attend.

https://youtu.be/W6Ps9HIB9NE?t=2309

For this one it's a culture thing. I'm 33 and live in denmark have probably only eaten at the restaurant ~15 times. I have eaten more at restaurants in other countries than I have in denmark. We like to cook our own food, family dinner style. These days we even order the restaurant food, instead of going there. It's not that people don't go to restaurants, but you'd do it for birthdays, celebrating something, or with the work place.

Not long ago he said on a stream, I think that he was contemplating which tournament to go to, or if he should go to one. So I don't think that it's that he literally cannot go. But he does seem to live a very sheltered life and probably have very protective parents, they might also be religious, I don't know.
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tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-13 00:22:32
July 13 2024 00:22 GMT
#150
Ban MaxPax from online events until we've seen him play with his camera on. He is almost certainly violating some tournament rule. I'd bet he is using AI but wouldn't be surprised if he's an alt account for another pro.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27473 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-13 00:34:37
July 13 2024 00:26 GMT
#151
On July 13 2024 09:22 tskarzyn wrote:
Ban MaxPax from online events until we've seen him play with his camera on. He is almost certainly violating some tournament rule. I'd bet he is using AI but wouldn't be surprised if he's an alt account for another pro.

What other pro plays like him?

He may not yet be bringing the pain in offline tournaments but he’s probably got the best PvP out there right now.

What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

Just a ridiculous comment. It’s good enough for ESL, his fellow pros seem to think he’s a legit player, he’s not appeared on camera but has spoken pretty regularly over a span.

Seems a hell of a bit to be doing if you’re well, not who you say you are.

MaxPax demonstrably plays like a human plays, if it’s an AI whoever did it did a better job than Google’s well-funded DeepMind team, does that seem at all likely?
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jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
July 13 2024 00:54 GMT
#152
On July 13 2024 09:26 WombaT wrote:
What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

He's Life in disguise all along! That's why he doesn't want to show his face! It all makes sense now!
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27473 Posts
July 13 2024 01:39 GMT
#153
On July 13 2024 09:54 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2024 09:26 WombaT wrote:
What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

He's Life in disguise all along! That's why he doesn't want to show his face! It all makes sense now!

It kinda fits given how a considerable portion of the thread seem to want MaxPax banned from competition…
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1381 Posts
July 13 2024 01:54 GMT
#154
On July 13 2024 09:22 tskarzyn wrote:
Ban MaxPax from online events until we've seen him play with his camera on. He is almost certainly violating some tournament rule. I'd bet he is using AI but wouldn't be surprised if he's an alt account for another pro.


Omg, good thing you catched him violating "almost certainly" some tournament rule! Quick, tell it ESL, they apparently have no idea!
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
July 13 2024 06:56 GMT
#155
I AM MAXPAX

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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2467 Posts
July 13 2024 08:25 GMT
#156
On July 13 2024 09:54 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2024 09:26 WombaT wrote:
What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

He's Life in disguise all along! That's why he doesn't want to show his face! It all makes sense now!


Did Life migrate to Europe?
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tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-13 12:58:52
July 13 2024 12:53 GMT
#157
On July 13 2024 09:26 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2024 09:22 tskarzyn wrote:
Ban MaxPax from online events until we've seen him play with his camera on. He is almost certainly violating some tournament rule. I'd bet he is using AI but wouldn't be surprised if he's an alt account for another pro.

What other pro plays like him?

He may not yet be bringing the pain in offline tournaments but he’s probably got the best PvP out there right now.

What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

Just a ridiculous comment. It’s good enough for ESL, his fellow pros seem to think he’s a legit player, he’s not appeared on camera but has spoken pretty regularly over a span.

Seems a hell of a bit to be doing if you’re well, not who you say you are.

MaxPax demonstrably plays like a human plays, if it’s an AI whoever did it did a better job than Google’s well-funded DeepMind team, does that seem at all likely?


It seems equally ridiculous that he'd spend most of his waking hours playing a game, and then proceed to forfeit every opportunity to make real money playing it for #reasons. "He doesn't eat at restaurants. He has social anxiety!" "His parents don't want him to show his face!" "His identity is super duper secret!"

Let's be real. He is not on the level. Maybe he is hacking. Maybe Maru wants to fuck around with Protoss and has a buddy in Denmark who is fronting for him. Maybe it's 10x easier to write an SC2 AI today than in 2019 and he is a talented coder. (There are AI bot competitions for sc2.) Whatever he's doing, he is only able to do it online when no one is watching.

I love nerds, but as the joke goes... you see someone flip heads 10x in a row, you'll say the odds they do it again are 50%. Someone with a bit of common sense sees it, and they'll know it's a weighted die.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1381 Posts
July 13 2024 13:06 GMT
#158
On July 13 2024 21:53 tskarzyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2024 09:26 WombaT wrote:
On July 13 2024 09:22 tskarzyn wrote:
Ban MaxPax from online events until we've seen him play with his camera on. He is almost certainly violating some tournament rule. I'd bet he is using AI but wouldn't be surprised if he's an alt account for another pro.

What other pro plays like him?

He may not yet be bringing the pain in offline tournaments but he’s probably got the best PvP out there right now.

What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

Just a ridiculous comment. It’s good enough for ESL, his fellow pros seem to think he’s a legit player, he’s not appeared on camera but has spoken pretty regularly over a span.

Seems a hell of a bit to be doing if you’re well, not who you say you are.

MaxPax demonstrably plays like a human plays, if it’s an AI whoever did it did a better job than Google’s well-funded DeepMind team, does that seem at all likely?


It seems equally ridiculous that he'd spend most of his waking hours playing a game, and then proceed to forfeit every opportunity to make real money playing it for #reasons. "He doesn't eat at restaurants. He has social anxiety!" "His parents don't want him to show his face!" "His identity is super duper secret!"

Let's be real. He is not on the level. Maybe he is hacking. Maybe Maru wants to fuck around with Protoss and has a buddy in Denmark who is fronting for him. Maybe it's 10x easier to write an SC2 AI today than in 2019 and he is a talented coder. (There are AI bot competitions for sc2.) Whatever he's doing, he is only able to do it online when no one is watching.

I love nerds, but as the joke goes... you see someone flip heads 10x in a row, you'll say the odds they do it again are 50%. Someone with a bit of common sense sees it, and they'll know it's a weighted die.


It is so funny to me that if MaxPax would consistently reach Top 6 in the EU Regional, no one would say anything. But when he reaches Top 4, he is suddenly clearly a hacker.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
392 Posts
July 13 2024 13:09 GMT
#159
On July 13 2024 21:53 tskarzyn wrote:
It seems equally ridiculous that he'd spend most of his waking hours playing a game, and then proceed to forfeit every opportunity to make real money playing it for #reasons. "He doesn't eat at restaurants. He has social anxiety!" "His parents don't want him to show his face!" "His identity is super duper secret!"

Let's be real. He is not on the level. Maybe he is hacking. Maybe Maru wants to fuck around with Protoss and has a buddy in Denmark who is fronting for him. Maybe it's 10x easier to write an SC2 AI today than in 2019 and he is a talented coder. (There are AI bot competitions for sc2.) Whatever he's doing, he is only able to do it online when no one is watching.

I love nerds, but as the joke goes... you see someone flip heads 10x in a row, you'll say the odds they do it again are 50%. Someone with a bit of common sense sees it, and they'll know it's a weighted die.


I've got a bridge to sell you, and some real estate in Florida.

Do you seriously believe *no* tournament organizer has ever done anything to check on that? do some sort of confidential ID verifying? Hacking, AI? Don't be silly.

ESL et al let him play and find nothing objectionable.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27473 Posts
July 13 2024 13:24 GMT
#160
On July 13 2024 21:53 tskarzyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2024 09:26 WombaT wrote:
On July 13 2024 09:22 tskarzyn wrote:
Ban MaxPax from online events until we've seen him play with his camera on. He is almost certainly violating some tournament rule. I'd bet he is using AI but wouldn't be surprised if he's an alt account for another pro.

What other pro plays like him?

He may not yet be bringing the pain in offline tournaments but he’s probably got the best PvP out there right now.

What other pro would be smurfing under an assumed name, only to play better in a matchup than they do on their main?

Just a ridiculous comment. It’s good enough for ESL, his fellow pros seem to think he’s a legit player, he’s not appeared on camera but has spoken pretty regularly over a span.

Seems a hell of a bit to be doing if you’re well, not who you say you are.

MaxPax demonstrably plays like a human plays, if it’s an AI whoever did it did a better job than Google’s well-funded DeepMind team, does that seem at all likely?


It seems equally ridiculous that he'd spend most of his waking hours playing a game, and then proceed to forfeit every opportunity to make real money playing it for #reasons. "He doesn't eat at restaurants. He has social anxiety!" "His parents don't want him to show his face!" "His identity is super duper secret!"

Let's be real. He is not on the level. Maybe he is hacking. Maybe Maru wants to fuck around with Protoss and has a buddy in Denmark who is fronting for him. Maybe it's 10x easier to write an SC2 AI today than in 2019 and he is a talented coder. (There are AI bot competitions for sc2.) Whatever he's doing, he is only able to do it online when no one is watching.

I love nerds, but as the joke goes... you see someone flip heads 10x in a row, you'll say the odds they do it again are 50%. Someone with a bit of common sense sees it, and they'll know it's a weighted die.

If the maybe is ‘maybe an SC2 bot exists that is superior than what one if the world’s foremost companies in the space managed to make’ or ‘maybe someone is smurfing to a very high level, from Europe but they’ve also played against all of Europe’s top players at some stage’ those aren’t very common-sense observations.
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