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SKTrashCan
Profile Joined October 2020
5 Posts
June 24 2023 15:47 GMT
#1
Hello,

I would like to host a SC2 League for money. I made a document to explain the (house) rules. I would welcome some feedback.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1It7VJ5OWFaBVZHValoQiGusTWCkjZ46emOHa-yPQa3Q/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks guys.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-24 18:15:30
June 24 2023 18:14 GMT
#2
This screams scam to me. So you get 5 dollars for finishing the tourney, and if u get top 3 another 5 dollars. This is on top of a 50 dollar entry. So why are u paying 50 dollars for a $10 potential??? I thought you would at least win the sum or a fraction of the sum of the entry fees combined. But no. The $50 u spend will simply go back to you at the end of the tournament barring disqualification, so why pay it in the first place. I don't get it.
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SKTrashCan
Profile Joined October 2020
5 Posts
June 24 2023 20:27 GMT
#3
To prevent trolls, or flaking players. It's € 50 investment, and if you're a decent players, you will get € 55 after two weeks. That's a solid investment. However, if you're the typical player I meet on ladder, then you're guaranteed to lose your € 50. So hopefully those types of players will not sign up.
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel323 Posts
June 24 2023 21:25 GMT
#4
Sorry for being blunt, but everything about this is just bizarre. I have no idea why you would put so many arbitrary limitations (e.g. players must have around 100 APM).

I think you might want to pause for a moment and think about how you can bring players into your league in the first place, rather than a convoluted way to keep unwanted players out. You can deal with bad actors once there's anyone TO deal with.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-25 04:43:04
June 24 2023 23:39 GMT
#5
I applaud the work going into it, but tbh I wouldn't touch it.
You want 10 people to wire you 50 euro and their official identity papers (why???) on the promise that you will pay them back at some point, except if you decide to discalifiy them, in which case you just keep their money.

Especially with the multiple conditions arround what you consider a "good" game, I really would not be confortable giving you that kind of money. Even if you are honest and not just literaly scamming 500 euros out of people, I would worry that two weeks into it I would have to fight endlessly to get my cash back because you decided my APM is too high or you don't like my playstyle so you just get to take all my money. Frankly I'm not sure many people will get in board.

You could check the Platinium Heroes or Cranky Ducklings discord channel, to my understanding they have an active community of players of many skill level interested to play in a somewhat more welcoming environement than the ladder. I think they have leagues too.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
June 24 2023 23:45 GMT
#6
Asking for €50 signup is bananas. I doubt anyone will deposit €50 with you as a "solid investment" to get back €55. Basically you can run away anytime with €400 and there is no way to find you back. Not even known casters would ask for €50 signup. My advice: forget about asking for money. Just don't. It makes your effort look like a scam and realistically you will have a hard time asking for €1 registry fee.
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luxon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States112 Posts
June 25 2023 01:12 GMT
#7
> Exceeding the maximum APM by >20%: immediate disqualification from the League.

Imagine winning all your games, but accidentally queued up too many drones or did one extra warpin, so you forfeit $50.

I'm actually holding a tournament too. $10k to enter but if your game doesn't end exactly at 9:52 and you have exactly 1024 resources lost, then i keep your entrance fee. Otherwise I'll pay you ten bucks. DM if you want a spot.
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
767 Posts
June 25 2023 08:59 GMT
#8
One of the most crazy posts I've ever seen here so far, and this says a lot.
Zaxon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium209 Posts
June 25 2023 09:44 GMT
#9
I doubt the poster of this thread is serious about this.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
June 25 2023 17:30 GMT
#10
Ignoring the "buy in" part of the event, as it was the primary focus of most posts above me, I want to focus how APM is an inaccurate measure of skill.

I hover around 4k MMR, averaging just under 400 apm on average and had a higher apm than Serral when we played in a tournament (he won the series, and the tournament), but nobody is confusing me as the better player. On the otherhand, there were successful pro players with <100 apm such as GoOdy. Alternatively, Efficiency Per Minute (EPM) would be a much better metric if you want to go down this path, but even EPM (or micro, a mechanic in the game you seem to refer to as a gimick in the past) doesn't win games.

Could you clarify if you mean the average APM in the game, or a particular APM spike? How is APM defined for you? If you were to host an event like this, I would recommend finding a mod that displays current and average APM to the players in game.

By the way, in the last 10 ladder games recorded on sc2replay that does not involve an autoleave, you have 5 games where you exceeded 100 APM (110, 118, 127, 111, 102). Of the remaining 5 games where you were below 100 APM (95, 79, 96, 93, 79), three of those were below the 5 minute mark. I think your requirements are fairly well tailored to your stats but you might need to tweak it up a little bit more, otherwise you run the risk of having to DQ yourself (question: do you get your deposit back if you are disqualified yourself?)
Excellentee
Profile Joined June 2015
11 Posts
June 25 2023 19:57 GMT
#11
This is either incredibly misguided or a scam. I am leaning towards unbelievably misguided.
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
June 25 2023 20:22 GMT
#12
The first player will pick the first map. The game will be played. Regardless of the outcome, the second player can then pick the second map. That game will also be played. Games will not exceed 25 minutes playtime. A game will be stopped at the 25 minute mark. The winner will be determined by the organiser.


You can't be serious about this ahahaha
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 25 2023 22:30 GMT
#13
This is the weirdest I've read in a long time. If a player exceeds the the maximum accepted APM by 0% - 20% they lose the game? If it exceeds more than 20% total disqualification?`Does this guy wants some kind of sc2 paralympics for players with low apm?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25458 Posts
June 26 2023 00:29 GMT
#14
I think the issue is trying to mix a money league with arbitrary rules, as well as capping the skill level.

You end up having to make so many rules and qualifiers, so vigilantly look out for Smurfs (your rules seem solid there) that it ceases to be a truly competitive lower league experience.

I’ve never been able to pull it off. A combo of players who are rapidly ascending and say, plat but maybe with a masters ceiling, inactive ex masters players who haven’t played in forever, and a cohort of ‘plat for life’ people. Always ended up with crazily lopsided matches trying to do capped competitions

If you wanna do a for fun league that’s capped in various ways to create a more fun experience than ladder, a little different I think that can work. But maybe not something competitive for money. For example a ‘no cheese’ league with refs could be pretty enjoyable vs ladder horrors

APM restrictions, nah. I haven’t seriously laddered in literally 6/7 years and would probably be a legit plat player now, but I’m still a 200-220 apm player

Hope you take the feedback in the spirit it’s intended
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33397 Posts
June 26 2023 10:25 GMT
#15
I was thinking TL.net forums need a funnier 'ratio' mechanism
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Thors Hammer
Profile Joined July 2023
1 Post
July 05 2023 15:30 GMT
#16
To prevent trolls?.. are you not a Troll?
You played a friend of mine...
Your comments when you lost:
Get
Cancer
C**t

yep, im sure people will be lining up to join your clown tournament.
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1240 Posts
July 05 2023 16:05 GMT
#17
This is the funniest shit I've ever read
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TequilaMockingbird
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany64 Posts
July 05 2023 16:07 GMT
#18
Guy is trolling, this is not to be taken seriously oviously.
MarsBar
Profile Joined February 2020
7 Posts
July 05 2023 16:07 GMT
#19
Got a challonge link?
MayOnFire
Profile Joined March 2021
England47 Posts
July 05 2023 16:07 GMT
#20
Ok, guess it's time to make an apm limiting mode. It'll display available actions per minute and slowly deplete over time and refresh each minute, sounds like a reasonable way to spend time.
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Cobblestone05
Profile Joined November 2021
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-05 16:12:47
July 05 2023 16:09 GMT
#21
This is the stupidest shit Ive ever seen lmfao.

The maximum APM allowed per game, is:
110 for the first 5 minutes of the game for Terran or Protoss;
120 for the first 5 minutes of the game for Zerg"

Congrats, you just created a platinum/diamond league that will get smurfed on by russian protoss. Super smart

Pausing the game for the first time: Game is lost
Pausing the game for the second time: Game is lost and 3 penalty points are rewarded.
Pausing the game for the third time: Immediate disqualification from the League.

why the fuck do you think pauses exist in the game you absolute numbskull? Even in the most strict era of Kespa, pausing was still allowed if it was needed. Its for EMERGENCIES. If my keyboard stops working in a match and I can't pause what the fuck am I supposed to do?

When their application is approved, details on the next steps will be communicated. Next steps will include: paying a deposit, sending a copy of a passport, or EU-ID card, and if necessary written permission from a legal guardian with a copy of the guardian’s passport, or EU-ID card.

Why the fuck do you need our full legal information for a fucking 5€ tournament? Do you want my address and bank account as well? Fuck off lmao

There are too many “bad players”, who ruin the fun of laddering. My main concerns are:

Trolls; players who deliberately use strategies with a relatively low win-chance. For example, but not limited to: turtle builds; proxies; or low-economy, micro-intensive openings that can kill quickly / lose quickly (depending on who executes the micro better).

So you literally just want a no rush 20? You are unironically asking for a no rush 20 type of shit like omfg you literally banned 90% of strategies HAHAHAHAHA

Games will not exceed 25 minutes playtime. A game will be stopped at the 25 minute mark. The winner will be determined by the organiser.

Honestly at this point literally just what the hell hahahahaha honestly if your shit get even 5 sign ups I will applaud your marketing skills

and the best part https://sc2replaystats.com/replay/23778725 this is his account literally click on ANY REPLAY and this guy calls his opponent "cheater cunt" "smurf cunt" "you had > 100 apm so I take the win" literally EVERY REPLAY HAHAHAHAH this is too good this guy is so insecure about his tiny penis (low apm) that if anyone else has slightly more APM they're automatically cheaters and smurfs

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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1876 Posts
July 05 2023 16:19 GMT
#22
On July 06 2023 01:05 Gemini_19 wrote:
This is the funniest shit I've ever read


Not as funny as this.

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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
July 05 2023 17:04 GMT
#23
Buddy.

Just make some friends and play customs with them if you want an environment to play that has weird APM rule limits lol

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Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1797 Posts
July 05 2023 17:25 GMT
#24
lmao
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
July 05 2023 22:30 GMT
#25
Seems inappropriate and poorly thought out. Sorry.
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