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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
October 09 2007 13:22 GMT
#21
what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 13:26:07
October 09 2007 13:25 GMT
#22
On October 09 2007 22:22 besiger.cry wrote:
what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic


Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China"
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
October 09 2007 13:38 GMT
#23
why should he care what * most parts of the world * have to say. If people are arguing over it, it means that there are people who would want Taiwan to be independant, why should he raise a Chinese flag ?
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
October 09 2007 13:43 GMT
#24
On October 09 2007 20:00 ambit!ous1 wrote:
Damn Chinese think they own the whole world.


Damn Americans think they own the whole world.
See where i'm leading to or should i call cpt obvious to show you?


As KissBlade said, Taiwan is not a country, it's an autonomous (afaik) province of China.

And if Pj and other chinese guys only told him to let the flag down, whitout any "fight" and "arguing" it's not a big deal, although it would have been better if they would've just keep quiet. The chinese surely felt offended by this.

If some guy from Transnistria (Moldova) would in some ceremony bring up their flag (they don't only exist... it's only a separatist pro-russian region) instead of moldovian flag even i would be very pissed at them.




They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
October 09 2007 13:43 GMT
#25
On October 09 2007 22:25 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 22:22 besiger.cry wrote:
what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic


Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China"


And clearly you don't realize that the people of Taiwan consider themselves an independant country. For all intents and purposes, they are; they're economically and socially independant, just not officially in writing. It all comes down to pride...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 13:51:44
October 09 2007 13:45 GMT
#26
On October 09 2007 22:18 KissBlade wrote:
Taiwan is only recognized as a country by two other countries in the world. And no, the US is not one of them. I'm not sure what the political ramifications are 100% about the whole thing though.

PS. In terms of world diplomacy speaking, Taiwan is actually considered a province of China by pretty much the entire world. You kids need to study your political science.


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Since China claims Taiwan as its provoince, the international community does not want to contradict China on this matter. Thus, Taiwan is not a member of the United Nations. Plus, only 25 countries (as of early 2007) recognize Taiwan as an independent country and they recognize it as the "only" China. Due to this political pressure from China, Taiwan does not maintain an embassy in the United States and the United States (among most other countries) has not recognized Taiwan since January 1, 1979.

it's 25 countries yo.
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
October 09 2007 13:46 GMT
#27
if they are considered just a chinese province whats up with this ?

** On September 30, 2007, Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party approved a resolution asserting separate identity from China and called for the enactment of a new constitution for a "normal country" . It called also for general use of "Taiwan" as the island's name, without abolishing its formal name, the Republic of China **

i mean its his damn right to raise his flag without someone making dibs on his country attacking him
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 09 2007 13:51 GMT
#28
aside from the name, taiwan is independent of china.

the culture, the economy, everything. it doesn't matter what the chinese say, you can't just change what taiwanese identify themselves as by insulting and assaulting them.

the same flag thing happens every year for taiwanese people. every international events, they try to raise their flags, their national anthem, whatever, and every year some chinese would try to solve what they perceive as a problem to their own identity with violence.

next time the chinese think of this as an important problem, why dont they get down to the basics and ask themselves why the taiwanese don't want to be identified and associated with them? look at what's displayed in these interactions, the chinese try to solve the problem by violence. why would any self respecting taiwanese want to be associated with them? the chinese put their worst side up to advertise everyday and you're wondering why the taiwanese people can't "see your way"?
Nemesis has left the building~
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
October 09 2007 13:56 GMT
#29
wouldnt you guys be pissed off if you see yourself as a country and others dont and then some mob of people from the country you separated yourself from for many centuries told you to put the flag down? obviously there are more words than "put the flag down"
i dont believe they just said "put the flag down" at all
but thats my opinion
troi oi thang map nai!!!
atheist13
Profile Joined July 2007
China7 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 14:05:05
October 09 2007 14:02 GMT
#30
wut
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
October 09 2007 14:15 GMT
#31
Utterly disgraceful behavoiur. Taiwan have been a de facto independent country for about 60 years anyway, you'd think they'd give up on it already, particulary since it haven't been ruled by mainland China since the imperial era. ~~
1000 at least.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 14:33:45
October 09 2007 14:33 GMT
#32
On October 09 2007 22:25 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 22:22 besiger.cry wrote:
what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic


Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China"

Who gives a shit? WCG clearly does recognize Taiwan as a seperate country or why would they have representatives from there?

Whatever the politics behind it, or your personal feelings are, common god damn courtesy demands that you shut the fuck up and applaud him.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 14:35:43
October 09 2007 14:34 GMT
#33
On October 09 2007 22:43 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 22:25 KissBlade wrote:
On October 09 2007 22:22 besiger.cry wrote:
what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic


Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China"


And clearly you don't realize that the people of Taiwan consider themselves an independant country. For all intents and purposes, they are; they're economically and socially independant, just not officially in writing. It all comes down to pride...


Only ~50% of them support independence.

The number is rising, but it is true that historically, Taiwan is indisputably part of China. I mean, until 2000, it has been ruled by the KMT, a party which was fighting the Communist Party for control of China. They fled to Taiwan and never gave up the fight. The place's name is still Republic of China.

There has been a lot of foreign interference that has prevented the island from being politically reclaimed. Sure, now the few generations that followed feel different than their mainland roots due to the separation, but in geopolitical terms, these 40 or so years are pretty insignificant. How would you feel if foreigners interfered time and time again in your civil war and prevented a unified government, then just waited it out until the generations diverged enough to claim, "hey, these are defacto different states now." Its only that way because other countries did not respect Chinese sovereignty in the first place.

And really I don't feel that besides the obvious prosperity, the cultural difference between Taiwan and mainland China is that different. All the provinces are somewhat unique, and look at Hong Kong. I think it can reassimilate fine, just requires delicate handling, and the Chinese government has a ways to go.

Edit: Just to say, I don't support this disgraceful behavior at all. I just don't like the consensus that Taiwan's independence is considered a slam dunk.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
October 09 2007 14:35 GMT
#34
I am not surprised that Pj did that as he also once before agreed for political reasons to cheat on the place he actually had in WCG China, it only got under pressure fixed. So who wonders that Sen suddenly uses chin flag now after beeing invited to chinese tournaments?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 09 2007 14:41 GMT
#35
The Pj incident was largely Wufan's doing, and even so it had nothing to do with politics, it was for the sole purpose of making him look good for skt1. Also it was WCG Shanghai, not China.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 14:42:16
October 09 2007 14:41 GMT
#36
and even if it was Pj's doing, what does that have to do with this incident?
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
October 09 2007 14:50 GMT
#37
I love how whenever china even gets mentioned on TL, the thread errupts into massive shit show.

Typical TL thread regarding china

Kennigit: i like chinese dogs
post 2) yeah chinese dogs are kinda cool i guess
post 3)...what's your problem with the chinese?
post 4) WTF WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHINESE
post 5) Err clearly you do or you wouldn't have brought it up
post 6) omg have you guys heard about the human rights allegations?
post 7) someone say china? my cousin went there and said it smelled bad
post 8) ZOMG YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO CHINA HOW DARE YOU SAY IT SMELLS BAD!!!
post 9) i like dogs too

EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
October 09 2007 14:54 GMT
#38
On October 09 2007 23:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
and even if it was Pj's doing, what does that have to do with this incident?


Insight into his personality/credibility? *shrugs*

What incident are you guys talking about anyways?
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 09 2007 14:54 GMT
#39
about 10% or less of people in Taiwan think they're more chinese than taiwanese.

Nemesis has left the building~
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19133 Posts
October 09 2007 14:57 GMT
#40
On October 09 2007 23:50 Kennigit wrote:
I love how whenever china even gets mentioned on TL, the thread errupts into massive shit show.

Typical TL thread regarding china

Kennigit: i like chinese dogs
post 2) yeah chinese dogs are kinda cool i guess
post 3)...what's your problem with the chinese?
post 4) WTF WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHINESE
post 5) Err clearly you do or you wouldn't have brought it up
post 6) omg have you guys heard about the human rights allegations?
post 7) someone say china? my cousin went there and said it smelled bad
post 8) ZOMG YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO CHINA HOW DARE YOU SAY IT SMELLS BAD!!!
post 9) i like dogs too


Dogs taste good, chinese food tastes good, hmmm chinese dogs ;oooooooo
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