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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 09 2007 22:22 besiger.cry wrote: what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China" | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On October 09 2007 20:00 ambit!ous1 wrote: Damn Chinese think they own the whole world. Damn Americans think they own the whole world. See where i'm leading to or should i call cpt obvious to show you? As KissBlade said, Taiwan is not a country, it's an autonomous (afaik) province of China. And if Pj and other chinese guys only told him to let the flag down, whitout any "fight" and "arguing" it's not a big deal, although it would have been better if they would've just keep quiet. The chinese surely felt offended by this. If some guy from Transnistria (Moldova) would in some ceremony bring up their flag (they don't only exist... it's only a separatist pro-russian region) instead of moldovian flag even i would be very pissed at them. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On October 09 2007 22:25 KissBlade wrote: Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China" And clearly you don't realize that the people of Taiwan consider themselves an independant country. For all intents and purposes, they are; they're economically and socially independant, just not officially in writing. It all comes down to pride... | ||
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Dyllyn
Singapore670 Posts
On October 09 2007 22:18 KissBlade wrote: Taiwan is only recognized as a country by two other countries in the world. And no, the US is not one of them. I'm not sure what the political ramifications are 100% about the whole thing though. PS. In terms of world diplomacy speaking, Taiwan is actually considered a province of China by pretty much the entire world. You kids need to study your political science.  wrongo. you need to study your political science too : ) Burkina Faso, El Salvador, Belize, Nauru, Palau, Tuvalu, Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands, Kiribati, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Paraguay, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Panama, the Vatican, Swaziland, Malawi, Sao Tome and Principe, Haiti, Gambia and St. Kitts and Nevis, Costa Rica random verification: Site 1 ( plus Costa Rica) Site 2 Since China claims Taiwan as its provoince, the international community does not want to contradict China on this matter. Thus, Taiwan is not a member of the United Nations. Plus, only 25 countries (as of early 2007) recognize Taiwan as an independent country and they recognize it as the "only" China. Due to this political pressure from China, Taiwan does not maintain an embassy in the United States and the United States (among most other countries) has not recognized Taiwan since January 1, 1979. it's 25 countries yo. | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
** On September 30, 2007, Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party approved a resolution asserting separate identity from China and called for the enactment of a new constitution for a "normal country" . It called also for general use of "Taiwan" as the island's name, without abolishing its formal name, the Republic of China ** i mean its his damn right to raise his flag without someone making dibs on his country attacking him | ||
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AK-Nemesis
2005 Posts
the culture, the economy, everything. it doesn't matter what the chinese say, you can't just change what taiwanese identify themselves as by insulting and assaulting them. the same flag thing happens every year for taiwanese people. every international events, they try to raise their flags, their national anthem, whatever, and every year some chinese would try to solve what they perceive as a problem to their own identity with violence. next time the chinese think of this as an important problem, why dont they get down to the basics and ask themselves why the taiwanese don't want to be identified and associated with them? look at what's displayed in these interactions, the chinese try to solve the problem by violence. why would any self respecting taiwanese want to be associated with them? the chinese put their worst side up to advertise everyday and you're wondering why the taiwanese people can't "see your way"? | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
i dont believe they just said "put the flag down" at all but thats my opinion | ||
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atheist13
China7 Posts
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 09 2007 22:25 KissBlade wrote: Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China" Who gives a shit? WCG clearly does recognize Taiwan as a seperate country or why would they have representatives from there? Whatever the politics behind it, or your personal feelings are, common god damn courtesy demands that you shut the fuck up and applaud him. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On October 09 2007 22:43 EvilTeletubby wrote: And clearly you don't realize that the people of Taiwan consider themselves an independant country. For all intents and purposes, they are; they're economically and socially independant, just not officially in writing. It all comes down to pride... Only ~50% of them support independence. The number is rising, but it is true that historically, Taiwan is indisputably part of China. I mean, until 2000, it has been ruled by the KMT, a party which was fighting the Communist Party for control of China. They fled to Taiwan and never gave up the fight. The place's name is still Republic of China. There has been a lot of foreign interference that has prevented the island from being politically reclaimed. Sure, now the few generations that followed feel different than their mainland roots due to the separation, but in geopolitical terms, these 40 or so years are pretty insignificant. How would you feel if foreigners interfered time and time again in your civil war and prevented a unified government, then just waited it out until the generations diverged enough to claim, "hey, these are defacto different states now." Its only that way because other countries did not respect Chinese sovereignty in the first place. And really I don't feel that besides the obvious prosperity, the cultural difference between Taiwan and mainland China is that different. All the provinces are somewhat unique, and look at Hong Kong. I think it can reassimilate fine, just requires delicate handling, and the Chinese government has a ways to go. Edit: Just to say, I don't support this disgraceful behavior at all. I just don't like the consensus that Taiwan's independence is considered a slam dunk. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Typical TL thread regarding china Kennigit: i like chinese dogs post 2) yeah chinese dogs are kinda cool i guess post 3)...what's your problem with the chinese? post 4) WTF WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHINESE post 5) Err clearly you do or you wouldn't have brought it up post 6) omg have you guys heard about the human rights allegations? post 7) someone say china? my cousin went there and said it smelled bad post 8) ZOMG YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO CHINA HOW DARE YOU SAY IT SMELLS BAD!!! post 9) i like dogs too | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On October 09 2007 23:41 zulu_nation8 wrote: and even if it was Pj's doing, what does that have to do with this incident? Insight into his personality/credibility? *shrugs* What incident are you guys talking about anyways? | ||
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AK-Nemesis
2005 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19137 Posts
On October 09 2007 23:50 Kennigit wrote: I love how whenever china even gets mentioned on TL, the thread errupts into massive shit show. Typical TL thread regarding china Kennigit: i like chinese dogs post 2) yeah chinese dogs are kinda cool i guess post 3)...what's your problem with the chinese? post 4) WTF WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHINESE post 5) Err clearly you do or you wouldn't have brought it up post 6) omg have you guys heard about the human rights allegations? post 7) someone say china? my cousin went there and said it smelled bad post 8) ZOMG YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO CHINA HOW DARE YOU SAY IT SMELLS BAD!!! post 9) i like dogs too Dogs taste good, chinese food tastes good, hmmm chinese dogs ;oooooooo | ||
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