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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
October 09 2007 14:57 GMT
#41
Eh Kennigit? I've never seen any flames/stupid shit about China/Chinese other than the China vs. Taiwan debate.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Elgar
Profile Joined May 2007
United States231 Posts
October 09 2007 15:03 GMT
#42
Only reason why so few countries consider Taiwan an independent country is because they want to keep politically and more importantly, economically friendly with China.
Pain, fear leaving the body. Pride, what your team is made of.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 15:16:37
October 09 2007 15:13 GMT
#43
The chinese government knows how to effectively control their people. Find a common foe or a common task, or better yet some burning wound of injustice for the whole nation. It´s hard to use logic, when you are emotionally involved.

Using similar historical reasoning I could claim Austria, Switzerland or even the Netherlands are just rebellious provinces of germany, which is ridiculous. Also I am sure there is a lot of envy because Taiwan was first to become a rich, developed country.

edit: I wouldn´t blame PJ personally, from the chinese people on the net one can tell that his reaction is what a typical chinese feels is right in this situation.
bumpirate
Profile Joined June 2007
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 15:19:12
October 09 2007 15:18 GMT
#44
[QUOTE]On October 09 2007 22:04 atheist13 wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 09 2007 20:00 ambit!ous1 wrote:
Damn Chinese think they own the whole world. [/QUOTE]

Nope, "damn Chinese" just want their rebel island back.......



Yea sure Tibet, Korea and Mongolia also want their land and history back.

" Damn Chinese think they own the whole world " <--- QFT
...
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 09 2007 15:22 GMT
#45
On October 09 2007 23:54 AK-Nemesis wrote:
about 10% or less of people in Taiwan think they're more chinese than taiwanese.



Where do you get this percentage from? Because just so you know, I'm from the province of Taiwan and I consider myself Chinese.
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
October 09 2007 15:24 GMT
#46
It's like Texas thinking that they are their own country...

I have Taiwanese friends who get really upset if you call them Chinese and ones who don't really care. I agree, it's mainly a pride thing.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 15:27:20
October 09 2007 15:25 GMT
#47
On October 09 2007 22:43 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 22:25 KissBlade wrote:
On October 09 2007 22:22 besiger.cry wrote:
what was he supposed to do ?? Raise a Chinese flag, i mean attacking anyone over shit like that is pathetic


Clearly you guys don't realize this so I'll have to say it again. TAIWAN IS A PROVINCE OF CHINA. The Taiwanese flag is NOT considered a legitimate flag by most parts of the world. That is why Taiwan is not recognized as part of the UN ever since Mainland China was considered "China"


And clearly you don't realize that the people of Taiwan consider themselves an independant country. For all intents and purposes, they are; they're economically and socially independant, just not officially in writing. It all comes down to pride...


Once again, I'm from Taiwan. So I realize a good deal more than you on this topic. Most "conservative" Taiwanese people consider themselves "Chinese". They also tend to be more elitist and snobbish towards Mainland people because Taiwanese people tend to be more gentry while Mainland are more stereotyped to them as villagers.

On October 10 2007 00:24 lilsusie wrote:
It's like Texas thinking that they are their own country...

I have Taiwanese friends who get really upset if you call them Chinese and ones who don't really care. I agree, it's mainly a pride thing.


Pretty much. My father for example considers himself Chinese. (As does his siblings). My grandfather considers himself Taiwanese though if you asked him what his nationality is, he'll probably still say China.
-WGT-Stars-
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States888 Posts
October 09 2007 15:26 GMT
#48
IT happened I was there and saw the whole thing lol pj actually was leading the group that asshole >.>
And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 15:29:59
October 09 2007 15:29 GMT
#49
On October 10 2007 00:26 -WGT-Stars- wrote:
IT happened I was there and saw the whole thing lol pj actually was leading the group that asshole >.>


This isn't about if it happened or not, this is about what PJ actually said. It doesn't matter if you were there as witness or not, did you know what PJ actually said? I doubt it because PJ doesn't speak very good English so unless you understand Mandarin...

The whole article was entirely told from the Taiwanese ministry so I'm pretty sure there's a certain bias to it all.
Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1693 Posts
October 09 2007 15:30 GMT
#50
*cough*
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 15:33:36
October 09 2007 15:32 GMT
#51
On October 09 2007 22:46 besiger.cry wrote:
if they are considered just a chinese province whats up with this ?

** On September 30, 2007, Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party approved a resolution asserting separate identity from China and called for the enactment of a new constitution for a "normal country" . It called also for general use of "Taiwan" as the island's name, without abolishing its formal name, the Republic of China **

i mean its his damn right to raise his flag without someone making dibs on his country attacking him


The Confederacy during the Civil War did the same thing. Were they considered their own independant country during that time?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 09 2007 15:32 GMT
#52
about dogs, I've seen it on many many menus, we don't eat cats though, that's just not right
mayap
Profile Joined September 2007
United States185 Posts
October 09 2007 15:35 GMT
#53
wow if this is true pj is a fucking faggot and i wish that tawainese kid punched him out, obviously hes gonna represent his country by showing a flag what the fuck does that have to do with pj and his little chinese friends? mind ur own busniss and let him be, do you really think your tuff going at a 17 year old kid with a group and bullying him, if you were for real you woulda went alone and spoke with him individually without anyone else backing you up

if any country (yes taiwan is a country) is oppressed by another country (i.e china) the people will feel a sense of nationalism and that poor kid was trying to represent his country and his people, let him have his moment instead of trying to oppresse him like any colonialist country does, i dont know this taiwanese guy but reading this made me really sad and if this would have happened to someone like sen i would have been so fucking pissed, your a tool pj and u have no balls if you went up to a 17 year old kid with ur friends trying to provoke him
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 09 2007 15:36 GMT
#54
i want hong kong as an option on the TL country list lolol

hmm... as for taiwan vs china...... no comment really. personally i treat taiwan like a seperate country.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 09 2007 15:37 GMT
#55
On October 10 2007 00:35 mayap wrote:
wow if this is true pj is a fucking faggot and i wish that tawainese kid punched him out, obviously hes gonna represent his country by showing a flag what the fuck does that have to do with pj and his little chinese friends? mind ur own busniss and let him be, do you really think your tuff going at a 17 year old kid with a group and bullying him, if you were for real you woulda went alone and spoke with him individually without anyone else backing you up

if any country (yes taiwan is a country) is oppressed by another country (i.e china) the people will feel a sense of nationalism and that poor kid was trying to represent his country and his people, let him have his moment instead of trying to oppresse him like any colonialist country does, i dont know this taiwanese guy but reading this made me really sad and if this would have happened to someone like sen i would have been so fucking pissed, your a tool pj and u have no balls if you went up to a 17 year old kid with ur friends trying to provoke him


lol
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 09 2007 15:38 GMT
#56
On October 10 2007 00:37 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2007 00:35 mayap wrote:
wow if this is true pj is a fucking faggot and i wish that tawainese kid punched him out, obviously hes gonna represent his country by showing a flag what the fuck does that have to do with pj and his little chinese friends? mind ur own busniss and let him be, do you really think your tuff going at a 17 year old kid with a group and bullying him, if you were for real you woulda went alone and spoke with him individually without anyone else backing you up

if any country (yes taiwan is a country) is oppressed by another country (i.e china) the people will feel a sense of nationalism and that poor kid was trying to represent his country and his people, let him have his moment instead of trying to oppresse him like any colonialist country does, i dont know this taiwanese guy but reading this made me really sad and if this would have happened to someone like sen i would have been so fucking pissed, your a tool pj and u have no balls if you went up to a 17 year old kid with ur friends trying to provoke him


lol
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
October 09 2007 15:44 GMT
#57
Taiwan people suffered many decades of brutal dictatorship under Japan and Chinese Nationalist exiles, until they finally gained democracy. Now all the people are doing much better under democracy. They aren't stupid or cowardly enough to just give all that away to to China, just because China says boo!.

China will never get Taiwan back peacefully because China will always be a terrible and corrupt dictatorship.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 09 2007 15:49 GMT
#58
On October 10 2007 00:44 NoName wrote:
Taiwan people suffered many decades of brutal dictatorship under Japan and Chinese Nationalist exiles, until they finally gained democracy. Now all the people are doing much better under democracy. They aren't stupid or cowardly enough to just give all that away to to China, just because China says boo!.

China will never get Taiwan back peacefully because China will always be a terrible and corrupt dictatorship.


What the hell are you talking about? The Chinese Nationalist Exiles are STILL in control of Taiwan. Is this post a joke?
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
October 09 2007 15:52 GMT
#59
On October 10 2007 00:26 -WGT-Stars- wrote:
IT happened I was there and saw the whole thing lol pj actually was leading the group that asshole >.>


You stay out of this, afaik you were atacking, in gangs, homeless people (at least pj had some pseudo-real motivation behind his actions).




http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/chu3.html (is funny).

The United Nations treats Taiwan as an autonomous province of China.
WCG does not recognise Taiwan as a country (like someone said). Chinese taipei had individual qualies because they are autonomous not because they are a country.

Now, many of you have a very (maybe too) subjective way of viewing things. The problem is you never put yourself in pj's (or other patriotic chinese) place.

China will never get Taiwan back peacefully because China will always be a terrible and corrupt dictatorship.


And how do you know they have a terrible and corrupt dictatorship?
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
-WGT-Stars-
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States888 Posts
October 09 2007 15:54 GMT
#60
no you noob i was just saying its true because some one in the earlier post was asking they needed proof lol -_-;;;;;;;; and btw yes i dk what they said but d4d asked team leader of taiwan and he said that they started to threaten him about the flag and why did he wear it and so on>.>
And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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