• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:45
CEST 08:45
KST 15:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy6[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
BSL Season 235Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Yamato Cup Series
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot Bot on ladder BSL Season 23 [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr -> DragOn vs StRyKeR [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 19892 users

WCG Seattle, Taiwan and China - Page 7

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 18:23:12
October 09 2007 18:21 GMT
#121
Why are you people arguing politics? It's off topic and avoiding it was specifically requested.

Anyway it's sad how WCG fails at bringing people of the world together through a common interest. Although I don't see what WCG can do about these incidents of ill-feelings and inappropriate behavior, their regular occurence certainly shits all over WCG's ideals of fairplay and respect.

Naivete and/or ignorance do not excuse the players' actions. There exists no political situation that would justify what they did nor absolve them of responsibility.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 18:24:08
October 09 2007 18:21 GMT
#122
On October 10 2007 03:18 azndsh wrote:
The point is that China commits egregious human rights violations, and that any defense of it on this forum is going to be flamed. Furthermore, creating such a fuss about someone putting up a Taiwanese flag at WCG is even more undeniably stupid.


I didn't defend any of those points. I just failed to see what they had to do with the statement that Taiwan is considered a part of China. Basically, this was the last six pages. Someone: Taiwan is a province of China. Person 2: No it's not. Me: Yes it actually is. Person 3: Human rights, tibet, BBQ. Strafe: Stop talking KissBlade, you're being censored by your government.

It's comedic yet stupid.

Bottem line for me is, I think everyone in China agrees some things can change in the better. But we'd rather leave that choice to us, the Chinese rather than outside foreigners pointing fingers and trying to make their own labels on things.
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
October 09 2007 18:26 GMT
#123
regardless of the taiwan/china situation, if Pj even made any sort of advancement ( by himself or part of a group) or even an OFFHAND comment to this player, then I have pretty much lost my respect for him. I also won't be supporting him in any games from now on;(
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
SmileOrDie2
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada6 Posts
October 09 2007 18:27 GMT
#124
CHINESE MAFIA FIGHTING
IM A SEXMAGNET
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
October 09 2007 18:31 GMT
#125
On October 10 2007 01:35 himurakenshin wrote:
Chinese ppl get fucked around by their government, by them not mentioning historical events, filtering media and communication, and they still support their government so much.


perhaps thats one of the major reasons they do support their government so much? not in spite of it but because of it.

its a technique used for that effect, anyway, the world over.
:O
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
October 09 2007 18:35 GMT
#126
Let it be strafe & co. There's no use to it. It's politics.

I'm from tibet. I am tibetan. And no force, no goverment, no weapon, no argument on earth can take that away from me.

Replace my countrys name with whatever you wan't You-chen showed the flag he feels connected to. And that's all that matters. A few words or fights won't change no minds. It's a heart thing you now..
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
October 09 2007 18:37 GMT
#127
Chinese ppl with aggros just cant get over this, I hate it when a country takes credit for where its not from. Taiwan is a different country and they have their right to represent in WCG. Obviously, you cant represent or raise a flag for a country you never been in.
lingwu
Profile Joined August 2004
Japan321 Posts
October 09 2007 18:49 GMT
#128
pj is showing his true colors.. communist freaks!!!
Hardcore man
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 09 2007 18:50 GMT
#129
On October 10 2007 03:21 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2007 03:18 azndsh wrote:
The point is that China commits egregious human rights violations, and that any defense of it on this forum is going to be flamed. Furthermore, creating such a fuss about someone putting up a Taiwanese flag at WCG is even more undeniably stupid.


I didn't defend any of those points. I just failed to see what they had to do with the statement that Taiwan is considered a part of China. Basically, this was the last six pages. Someone: Taiwan is a province of China. Person 2: No it's not. Me: Yes it actually is. Person 3: Human rights, tibet, BBQ. Strafe: Stop talking KissBlade, you're being censored by your government.

It's comedic yet stupid.

Bottem line for me is, I think everyone in China agrees some things can change in the better. But we'd rather leave that choice to us, the Chinese rather than outside foreigners pointing fingers and trying to make their own labels on things.


how about leave the choice to Taiwanese, the people who actually live in Taiwan, rather than outside foreigners like the chinese from China?
Nemesis has left the building~
[]Dlayer
Profile Joined September 2007
United States15 Posts
October 09 2007 18:59 GMT
#130
Wow if this is true, I've really lost respect for PJ. That's a shame....
택빠
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
October 09 2007 19:15 GMT
#131
It's hard to recognize Taiwan as independent when its constitution makes it a temporary base for the government-in-exile of a unified China.

Taiwan has evolved into a prosperous liberal democracy (unlike the country its founding government was driven out of), but it hasn't changed its constitution yet (looks like this will happen soon, however).

Once Taiwan's constitution is updated to reflect the reality of the situation, it will be a lot harder for the rest of the world to call it part of China.
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 19:23:11
October 09 2007 19:22 GMT
#132
This is why we close every political/nationalist thread in this forum. There is just too much ignorance and bias to discuss this productively. It just results in angry people and random flames from bigots.

If you want to know more about the China/Taiwan situation, go find more credible sources than what some people say on a forum. Just realize that this issue is much more complicated than any one view articulated in this thread. None of the developed opinions here are wholly "correct."
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
October 10 2007 00:48 GMT
#133
It's too bad these threads turn into Internet Matlockery.

Heres a good article from ggl summarizing all the issues.

http://wire.ggl.com/2007/10/09/world-cyber-games-2007-international-disgrace-at-the-grand-finals/
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 175
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1664
actioN 813
Barracks 203
Shinee 64
Bale 40
yabsab 37
Noble 20
Icarus 6
League of Legends
JimRising 626
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox501
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor244
Other Games
WinterStarcraft623
Sick193
Maynarde138
Livibee126
Happy73
Mew2King58
ViBE45
amsayoshi31
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream1320
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream141
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21419
League of Legends
• Rush1282
• Lourlo984
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
3h 15m
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
4h 15m
Monday Night Weeklies
9h 15m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 3h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 3h
Light vs EffOrt
OSC
1d 5h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 17h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
GSL
6 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.