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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 18:23:12
October 09 2007 18:21 GMT
#121
Why are you people arguing politics? It's off topic and avoiding it was specifically requested.

Anyway it's sad how WCG fails at bringing people of the world together through a common interest. Although I don't see what WCG can do about these incidents of ill-feelings and inappropriate behavior, their regular occurence certainly shits all over WCG's ideals of fairplay and respect.

Naivete and/or ignorance do not excuse the players' actions. There exists no political situation that would justify what they did nor absolve them of responsibility.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 18:24:08
October 09 2007 18:21 GMT
#122
On October 10 2007 03:18 azndsh wrote:
The point is that China commits egregious human rights violations, and that any defense of it on this forum is going to be flamed. Furthermore, creating such a fuss about someone putting up a Taiwanese flag at WCG is even more undeniably stupid.


I didn't defend any of those points. I just failed to see what they had to do with the statement that Taiwan is considered a part of China. Basically, this was the last six pages. Someone: Taiwan is a province of China. Person 2: No it's not. Me: Yes it actually is. Person 3: Human rights, tibet, BBQ. Strafe: Stop talking KissBlade, you're being censored by your government.

It's comedic yet stupid.

Bottem line for me is, I think everyone in China agrees some things can change in the better. But we'd rather leave that choice to us, the Chinese rather than outside foreigners pointing fingers and trying to make their own labels on things.
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
October 09 2007 18:26 GMT
#123
regardless of the taiwan/china situation, if Pj even made any sort of advancement ( by himself or part of a group) or even an OFFHAND comment to this player, then I have pretty much lost my respect for him. I also won't be supporting him in any games from now on;(
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
SmileOrDie2
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada6 Posts
October 09 2007 18:27 GMT
#124
CHINESE MAFIA FIGHTING
IM A SEXMAGNET
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
October 09 2007 18:31 GMT
#125
On October 10 2007 01:35 himurakenshin wrote:
Chinese ppl get fucked around by their government, by them not mentioning historical events, filtering media and communication, and they still support their government so much.


perhaps thats one of the major reasons they do support their government so much? not in spite of it but because of it.

its a technique used for that effect, anyway, the world over.
:O
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
October 09 2007 18:35 GMT
#126
Let it be strafe & co. There's no use to it. It's politics.

I'm from tibet. I am tibetan. And no force, no goverment, no weapon, no argument on earth can take that away from me.

Replace my countrys name with whatever you wan't You-chen showed the flag he feels connected to. And that's all that matters. A few words or fights won't change no minds. It's a heart thing you now..
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
October 09 2007 18:37 GMT
#127
Chinese ppl with aggros just cant get over this, I hate it when a country takes credit for where its not from. Taiwan is a different country and they have their right to represent in WCG. Obviously, you cant represent or raise a flag for a country you never been in.
lingwu
Profile Joined August 2004
Japan321 Posts
October 09 2007 18:49 GMT
#128
pj is showing his true colors.. communist freaks!!!
Hardcore man
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 09 2007 18:50 GMT
#129
On October 10 2007 03:21 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2007 03:18 azndsh wrote:
The point is that China commits egregious human rights violations, and that any defense of it on this forum is going to be flamed. Furthermore, creating such a fuss about someone putting up a Taiwanese flag at WCG is even more undeniably stupid.


I didn't defend any of those points. I just failed to see what they had to do with the statement that Taiwan is considered a part of China. Basically, this was the last six pages. Someone: Taiwan is a province of China. Person 2: No it's not. Me: Yes it actually is. Person 3: Human rights, tibet, BBQ. Strafe: Stop talking KissBlade, you're being censored by your government.

It's comedic yet stupid.

Bottem line for me is, I think everyone in China agrees some things can change in the better. But we'd rather leave that choice to us, the Chinese rather than outside foreigners pointing fingers and trying to make their own labels on things.


how about leave the choice to Taiwanese, the people who actually live in Taiwan, rather than outside foreigners like the chinese from China?
Nemesis has left the building~
[]Dlayer
Profile Joined September 2007
United States15 Posts
October 09 2007 18:59 GMT
#130
Wow if this is true, I've really lost respect for PJ. That's a shame....
택빠
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
October 09 2007 19:15 GMT
#131
It's hard to recognize Taiwan as independent when its constitution makes it a temporary base for the government-in-exile of a unified China.

Taiwan has evolved into a prosperous liberal democracy (unlike the country its founding government was driven out of), but it hasn't changed its constitution yet (looks like this will happen soon, however).

Once Taiwan's constitution is updated to reflect the reality of the situation, it will be a lot harder for the rest of the world to call it part of China.
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 19:23:11
October 09 2007 19:22 GMT
#132
This is why we close every political/nationalist thread in this forum. There is just too much ignorance and bias to discuss this productively. It just results in angry people and random flames from bigots.

If you want to know more about the China/Taiwan situation, go find more credible sources than what some people say on a forum. Just realize that this issue is much more complicated than any one view articulated in this thread. None of the developed opinions here are wholly "correct."
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
October 10 2007 00:48 GMT
#133
It's too bad these threads turn into Internet Matlockery.

Heres a good article from ggl summarizing all the issues.

http://wire.ggl.com/2007/10/09/world-cyber-games-2007-international-disgrace-at-the-grand-finals/
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