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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 10:26:08
October 09 2007 10:13 GMT
#1
I just read some news regarding this WCG in Seattle. Just wow

Long story short

When the Taiwanese 3rd place winner in Project Gotham Racing, YOU-CHEN LIU went up stage to get his prize, he showed a Taiwan flag, just like most other players would do, showing the flag representing their region.
But when he was done and started to head back for the hotel, around 10 players/media from China surrounded him, and started to insult YOU-CHEN LIU, saying he was a "son of a bitch", "wtf was that flag on stage" etc, and tried to force him to hand over the flag.
The part I was stunned was, the two main guys leading the group was PJ from starcraft, and Xiao.T from warcraft3.

Some pushing, shoving seemed to have happened as well. The police
arrived later and PJ denied that any violence occurred.

At the end, the team Taiwan decided not to join the ending ceremony party in the evening to avoid team China.

I am Canadian-Chinese myself, and I don't want to bring in any political crap into this thread, but what the hell man, where is the respect for another player?

I still can't believe PJ did that

(Googled English source) http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=304106

Chinese version that I read:
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〔記者陳英傑美國西雅圖報導〕中國打壓台灣事件再一例!台灣電玩好手劉祐辰在美國西雅圖所舉辦的世界電玩大賽(WCG)「世界街頭賽車3」中,勇奪第三名,在上台領獎時拿出國旗,結果引來中國選手的挑釁,下台後動手動腳,甚至罵出「你們是狗生出來的嗎?」的惡劣字眼。

中國選手爆粗口、動手動腳

頒獎典禮上,代表台灣領取第三名的劉祐辰,在頒獎前就已打算在台上亮出國旗,到頒獎結束前一切都無異狀,然而台灣選手們準備離開會場,返回選手村休息時,數十位中國選手及媒體,便向前嗆聲,質疑頒獎典禮上的是什麼旗幟,甚至要脅我選手交出劉祐辰,辱罵台灣選手是「狗生出來的」。

嗆聲我選手的,以「星海爭霸」拿下第二名的沙俊春,及「魔獸爭霸3」十六強賽即被淘汰的陸維梁為首,不但先口頭恐嚇,甚至對我選手動粗,隨後被會場保全架開。

當我選手準備上車返回選手村,中國選手又跑了出來,試圖阻擋我選手上車,險些發生二次衝突,西雅圖警方到達現場時,沙俊春馬上否認有踢人的攻擊動作,我方則緊急找來外交部駐西雅圖辦事處代表甄國清處理。世界電玩大賽主辦單位為保護我選手安全,更是指派專車接送回選手村。

選手們返回選手村Doubletree飯店時,卻發現中國選手正等在我選手準備進房的門口,打算繼續鬧事,我選手因此改從其他門口回到房間,並要求飯店人員轉告中國領隊約束自己隊員,並請保安人員加強巡房。另避免中國選手對我選手挑釁恐嚇,我方領隊要求選手們留在房間,決定不參加惜別晚會。

台灣選手晚上都在飯店房間休息,為避免危險,原本睡在不同區的領隊劉俊宏及「極速快感:玩命山道」的劉明貴,都與其他選手集中同一區房間休息。中國選手則將搭乘八日下午一點(台灣時間九日淩晨四點)班機前往舊金山轉機返回中國。

二○○一年台灣好手曾政承奪下「世紀帝國2」冠軍時,在台上揮舞著國旗,同樣也遭到中國媒體的抗議,我方此次循例向主辦單位提出嚴正抗議。



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靈魂交響曲
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 09 2007 10:17 GMT
#2
Proof?

O man I just can't see PJ punking some kid. LMAO
why so 진지해?
I_are_n00b
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
196 Posts
October 09 2007 10:20 GMT
#3
To be completely fair, the official WCG representation of "Chinese Taipei" is a different flag. I can see how some peopel can be disagreeable with what he did, but causing problems back at the hotel, that's overboard.
lookatmyname
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
October 09 2007 10:20 GMT
#4
I can't imagine PJ assaulting someone like that... at all..

Either way, That's some really shitty behaviour.
We make signature, then defense it.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 10:22:37
October 09 2007 10:20 GMT
#5
I read a chinese news article on the web, doesn't really mention the source
However I did manage to google an short english version to prove that the incident actually happened

I edited the first post
靈魂交響曲
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
October 09 2007 10:25 GMT
#6
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 10:27:49
October 09 2007 10:26 GMT
#7
that is so fucked up on so many levels..
On October 09 2007 19:25 SpringWind wrote:
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever

so? The Taiwanese guy should have the right to represent his country.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 10:29:10
October 09 2007 10:27 GMT
#8
On October 09 2007 19:25 SpringWind wrote:
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever


Well if the police and security guards were involved, there has to be more than that, especially when the flag is ALREADY down.
Don't forget he was leaving the center.
靈魂交響曲
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51461 Posts
October 09 2007 10:29 GMT
#9
What the fuck? This is disgraceful for the Chinese, especially for PJ and xiaOt (isn't he like 17)? As much as these players are excellent skill-wise, their reuputation is going to be extremely tarnished from this incident.
Commentator
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
October 09 2007 10:32 GMT
#10
On October 09 2007 19:26 EpiK wrote:
that is so fucked up on so many levels..
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 19:25 SpringWind wrote:
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever

so? The Taiwanese guy should have the right to represent his country.


Taiwan is a province of China
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
October 09 2007 10:32 GMT
#11
On October 09 2007 19:25 SpringWind wrote:
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever


pj shouldn't have said it anyway.
:O
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 10:33:38
October 09 2007 10:33 GMT
#12
:O
OtHER-X
Profile Joined February 2005
Bulgaria79 Posts
October 09 2007 10:33 GMT
#13
news about angry gamers going into fights always make me lol
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
October 09 2007 10:42 GMT
#14
i can see where this thread is gonna lead eventually.

nowhere. we should stop talking about this until we get some real credible source to cover this incident, not some biased news from china or taiwan's part
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
October 09 2007 10:55 GMT
#15
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 09 2007 19:26 EpiK wrote:
that is so fucked up on so many levels..
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 19:25 SpringWind wrote:
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever

so? The Taiwanese guy should have the right to represent his country.

On October 09 2007 19:32 SpringWind wrote:
Taiwan is a province of China


there are a fair number of people who will disagree with you on that point...

nothing political, but your view is just one side of it
scv rush ftw
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
October 09 2007 11:00 GMT
#16
Damn Chinese think they own the whole world.
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 11:07:28
October 09 2007 11:05 GMT
#17
In China, when CCTV news tells you, FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL FALUN GONG IS EVIL, and you see it on brochures sent to your house and your grandparents and parents all tell you the same shit because they saw it on the news, no matter how smart or educated you are, you are not gonna be like, hey maybe I'll hold off on judgement until I've done a good deal of research on this. So when everything you see and everyone you know tells you what the deal with Taiwan is because CCTV is obviously a respected and professional source on foreign policy and doesn't block wikipedia, (fuck whoever did that), sometimes people will do stuff that is slightly irrational like preventing someone from raising his own country's flag at a world cyber games event. There's actually some very complicated behavioral psychology stuff behind it. Pj is not an expert on chinese foreign affairs but he still felt strong enough about this matter to assume a hostile attitude towards a stranger. I hope he'll just enjoy his second place finish and be happy
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 11:39:07
October 09 2007 11:36 GMT
#18
On October 09 2007 19:32 SpringWind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2007 19:26 EpiK wrote:
that is so fucked up on so many levels..
On October 09 2007 19:25 SpringWind wrote:
stupid taiwan media

Pj just said to let him put that flag down,never said "son of a bitch" or whatever

so? The Taiwanese guy should have the right to represent his country.


Taiwan is a province of China
About as much as China is a province of Taiwan. Taiwan also claims Tuva(an area in russia iirc) and some other areas they dont have control over. But it does not seem like anyone from Taiwan get pissed off when someone shows a Chinese flag. But I might have missed that part.

EDIT:Do Taiwan act similar in this area?
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
atheist13
Profile Joined July 2007
China7 Posts
October 09 2007 13:04 GMT
#19
On October 09 2007 20:00 ambit!ous1 wrote:
Damn Chinese think they own the whole world.


Nope, "damn Chinese" just want their rebel island back.

What PJ did was petty and foolish, but Taiwan IS part of China. They speak the same language, they share the same history, yet the Taiwanese act like they are superior to their mainland cousins for reasons yet to be determined. I do not wish to offend any Taiwanese on the these boards, but I live in China, so while I may be a little biased. I think though one may agree with me in saying that this entire business is an embarrassment for all parties involved, both the Chinese and the Taiwanese.
wut
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-09 13:24:03
October 09 2007 13:18 GMT
#20
Taiwan is only recognized as a country by two other countries in the world. And no, the US is not one of them. I'm not sure what the political ramifications are 100% about the whole thing though.

PS. In terms of world diplomacy speaking, Taiwan is actually considered a province of China by pretty much the entire world. You kids need to study your political science.
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