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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines594 Posts
October 21 2021 22:29 GMT
#21
nerf spider cannons
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
October 21 2021 23:13 GMT
#22
Hahahaha, terrifying.

That actually looks like a fun unit, though, kind of sort of like a baneling. Of course subject to a lot of balancing.
The original Bogus fan.
3617
Profile Joined October 2021
1 Post
October 21 2021 23:58 GMT
#23
--- Nuked ---
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3422 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 00:05:14
October 22 2021 00:05 GMT
#24
I played on a 28.8k 22yrs ago, it wasnt great. Hackers were not my main concern, 2v2/3v3/ffa were fun, UMS too, but the blizzard ladder with fast speed and the batshit crazy maps (long divide or whatever it was called for instance) i do not miss.
I miss the active channels and the game right after bw came out though
Horang2 fan
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1598 Posts
October 22 2021 01:30 GMT
#25
I remember sniping the hackers on the original b.net ladder. Yan[GG]ua, J.Lo, etc
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43350 Posts
October 22 2021 03:03 GMT
#26
On October 22 2021 03:08 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 02:58 Essbee wrote:
Uh, one of the great thing about broodwar is the non rock-paper-scissor balance that very few games achieve. Having vultures able to deal with dragoons in a battle of micro is absolutely necessary for it not to become stale like early SC2. Hard to say if your post is serious tbh.

It's 100% serious, the problem is that it is 100% seriously stupid.

The guy doesn't realize that he doesn't know anything about bw.
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
October 22 2021 03:05 GMT
#27
That was a nice read and indeed crazy.
-.-
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
October 22 2021 03:20 GMT
#28
On October 22 2021 12:03 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 03:08 Jealous wrote:
On October 22 2021 02:58 Essbee wrote:
Uh, one of the great thing about broodwar is the non rock-paper-scissor balance that very few games achieve. Having vultures able to deal with dragoons in a battle of micro is absolutely necessary for it not to become stale like early SC2. Hard to say if your post is serious tbh.

It's 100% serious, the problem is that it is 100% seriously stupid.

The guy doesn't realize that he doesn't know anything about bw.

What a fall from grace for the former #1 StarCraft player in his mind only.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada508 Posts
October 22 2021 03:24 GMT
#29
I think the intentional misspellings expose it as 100% troll.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 03:29:19
October 22 2021 03:29 GMT
#30
On October 22 2021 12:24 cha0 wrote:
I think the intentional misspellings expose it as 100% troll.

If you check the blog post and links as well as the account history it's 100% not. Due diligence.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4373 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 04:56:34
October 22 2021 04:55 GMT
#31
On October 22 2021 12:24 cha0 wrote:
I think the intentional misspellings expose it as 100% troll.

Have to admit I laughed in his other recent thread when he said he got invited to play in Korea in 1999 but the email went to spam so he didn’t see it.Now he’s complaining about new maps, when he quit ladder ‘Green Valleys’ was in the ladder map pool.

This guy is entertaining, I hope he sticks around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
October 22 2021 04:59 GMT
#32
Maps are too big, it makes the games too long and boring. Also, fastest speed makes the games too short, we should play on slowest speed because that is more exciting. You all agree with me, but you don't realize it yet.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
October 22 2021 07:34 GMT
#33
On October 22 2021 03:08 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 02:58 Essbee wrote:
Uh, one of the great thing about broodwar is the non rock-paper-scissor balance that very few games achieve. Having vultures able to deal with dragoons in a battle of micro is absolutely necessary for it not to become stale like early SC2. Hard to say if your post is serious tbh.

It's 100% serious, the problem is that it is 100% seriously stupid.



EXACTLY my thoughts !!!!!
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GodOfWarAReS1
Profile Joined October 2021
2 Posts
October 22 2021 08:29 GMT
#34
As a former Starcraft2 player, an artist and a chess player i can totally relate to that. The problem about Sc2 (and seemingly nowadays BW) is that it doesn't feel like art and honest self expression, it feels like technique and speed only. And the only thrill I feel is not one of an artist or a chess player who goes in deep state of conciousness when everything around me after a game seems so much brighter and my mind gets more open. No. Its the other thrill Plato talks about. The thrill thats about speed, fast heartbeat and technique only. Look at how simple Go and Chess are built. StarCraft 2 has way too many stimuli. It stresses the hell out of the body, and yes even when you're accustomed to it. You won't feel the stress, but the outside gets boring and you will always want to have more speed, because thrill of speed is addicting. But that's not the flow state, get that straight please!
Starcraft 2 with its monologic playstyle, fast speed and exaggerated purpose of mechanics promotes exactly this thrill of speed.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4033 Posts
October 22 2021 09:17 GMT
#35
What a god damn gem this person is! Best thread in months. Appears from out of nowhere, 22 years after his glorious #1 ladder spot (Who remembers ladder in SC? Lmao) and just delivers wisdom. Someone please interview this champ, this will be like watching Mindhunters in real life. I'm super interested in what they were doing these 22 years only to some day deciding to launch their browser, type teamliquid.net and start bombing. Gold shit.
Drone is a way of living
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1168 Posts
October 22 2021 09:38 GMT
#36
I remember when the ladder wasn't played on Fastest.
I don't miss this exact thing for sure. lol

Maps back in the days were ridiculous. We grew in our knowledge, game sense, and in many other aspects to know better.

Have you tried to play on LT or some other old-school map vs capable Terran player recently? I haven't been #1 on the ladder in the previous century but trust me - you don't want to play this competitively.

As for SC and SC2 and your wish to feel more like an art - I believe the introduction of replays back in the days played a huge role. It helped greatly in detecting hackers as well... Remember how 15-20 years ago when we saw an FPVod of some progamer everyone who was able to download it was going crazy?

Right now we got video streaming technology. Anyone can watch their favorite progamer all day long from his/her point of view and learn from there. Who wants to get back to the stone age?
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway751 Posts
October 22 2021 10:00 GMT
#37
Lol funny this comes right after I ask about the old bw ladder in the general thread

Thx for making these threads, it’s so much fun reading about the good old days of brood war. I’d give my nutsack to re-live those days
(With today’s knowledge of the game of course :devil: )
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 11:01:38
October 22 2021 10:59 GMT
#38
I don't think you've played a lot of SC2 in LotV, have you? BW is much more passive than SC2 is nowadays.

Fun post, but I cannot agree with anything you wrote, and I started playing BW not long after you quit, around ~2000.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
October 22 2021 16:18 GMT
#39
On October 22 2021 02:05 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Amazing.
Signed and Sealed.
patyrykin.net
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
October 22 2021 17:10 GMT
#40
(Wiki)1999 Brood War Season 1 Ladder Tournament
Seems like the same guy, didn't get first place though
WriterMaru
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