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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 06 2019 09:55 GMT
#21
I think Lee is an even better example, he's been beaten to death but still comes back every season. Only reasons he's not uber tier is because other champs with dumb kits have been released since then. Kalista has been awful for ages, Riots unwillingness to rework her is astonishing because her kit simply can't be balanced in its current state.

Yeah, we're about to see Kayn become super meta in pro play, he's already quite strong, one of the best scaling junglers in the game.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-06 11:05:17
February 06 2019 10:59 GMT
#22
I doubt Akali will be picked in the pro scene now, not because she is too weak, but because now she is just a regular assassin, an assassin like an assassin and assassins are not picked in pro so much as we know, it has to be a busted assassin to be picked there, often with some busted iteration like akali had or like irelia is able to assassinate but is also a front line somehow
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 06 2019 11:31 GMT
#23
On February 06 2019 09:09 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2019 08:05 General_Winter wrote:
No Urgot changes. No Karthus changes.

I sometimes wonder about how riot thinks about making balance decisions. If a Karthus skin comes out next patch or we finally get star guardian urgot then these changes can be evaluated as cynical cash grabs. If the skins don’t come then I have no idea.

I always thought that Karthus ult is detached from league's design and it should have range like pantheon's and TF's ults. All league globals have some drawbacks like being a skill shot or range restricted, only karthus can press R without thinking about it

Shen and Soraka would like a word with you. All global anti-fun ults are fire and forget.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 06 2019 15:03 GMT
#24
Lck probably just going to revert to full protect the adc even if Akali wasn’t nerfed.
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
February 06 2019 15:10 GMT
#25
On February 07 2019 00:03 Slusher wrote:
Lck probably just going to revert to full protect the adc even if Akali wasn’t nerfed.


Perfect for Deft and KZ.
Que Sera Sera
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 06 2019 18:24 GMT
#26
Yeah, wonder how teams will react to the changes. Maybe Ruler can carry his team to first place now?
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9213 Posts
February 06 2019 20:39 GMT
#27
I want to see Caps play Lulu for Perkz's Caitlyn
You're now breathing manually
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 06 2019 22:45 GMT
#28
Don’t forget the winder maokai to set it up 😍
Carrilord has arrived.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8690 Posts
February 07 2019 02:42 GMT
#29
On February 07 2019 00:10 AdsMoFro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2019 00:03 Slusher wrote:
Lck probably just going to revert to full protect the adc even if Akali wasn’t nerfed.


Perfect for Deft and KZ.

jokes on you this was how skt was already drafting all their games. pick tanks and let teddy do the heavy lifting
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
February 07 2019 03:10 GMT
#30
As long as Griffin still wins with Awesome Dudes I don't care
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
February 07 2019 09:35 GMT
#31
On February 06 2019 18:55 DarkCore wrote:
I think Lee is an even better example, he's been beaten to death but still comes back every season. Only reasons he's not uber tier is because other champs with dumb kits have been released since then. Kalista has been awful for ages, Riots unwillingness to rework her is astonishing because her kit simply can't be balanced in its current state.

Yeah, we're about to see Kayn become super meta in pro play, he's already quite strong, one of the best scaling junglers in the game.


I was speaking more in terms of Riot refusing to nerf obvious parts of a champion's kit where it needlessly pushes the champ into OP territory

the rend damage to monsters was called to be nerfed since like the 1st or 2nd time she became op
it was completely unnecessary to randomly give her the best objective control skill in the game as an adc

On February 06 2019 19:59 M2 wrote:
I doubt Akali will be picked in the pro scene now, not because she is too weak, but because now she is just a regular assassin, an assassin like an assassin and assassins are not picked in pro so much as we know, it has to be a busted assassin to be picked there, often with some busted iteration like akali had or like irelia is able to assassinate but is also a front line somehow


actually, yeah i forgot that with adc's becoming better and shit like ivern popping up again it can definitely push a weaker akali out. we'll see, I feel like her teamfighting was pretty ridic as an assassin - she didn't necessarily rely on getting picks/roaming
TL/SKT
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-07 10:22:52
February 07 2019 10:21 GMT
#32
I was unable to one shot jinx with full ad build rengar, while jinx was at 4 items with tabis and phantom dancer. I mean she was walking alone and I would have killed her eventually but her nami came and healed her before the last auto, but somehow she survived at least 2 seconds before nami and if you cannot kill an adc with full damage assassin who is also ahead and is the strongest champion in the game at that moment, assassins will not have a fun time on the rift


Also this was Jinx, something like Lucian or Vayne will probably go alone and hunt for assassins with this item, maybe, I dont know.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
February 07 2019 13:41 GMT
#33
On February 07 2019 19:21 M2 wrote:
I was unable to one shot jinx with full ad build rengar, while jinx was at 4 items with tabis and phantom dancer. I mean she was walking alone and I would have killed her eventually but her nami came and healed her before the last auto, but somehow she survived at least 2 seconds before nami and if you cannot kill an adc with full damage assassin who is also ahead and is the strongest champion in the game at that moment, assassins will not have a fun time on the rift


Also this was Jinx, something like Lucian or Vayne will probably go alone and hunt for assassins with this item, maybe, I dont know.


PD is busted for sure.
Que Sera Sera
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
February 07 2019 15:03 GMT
#34
That’s a shame. Last patch I was having really good luck with khazix despite not playing him very well, so I was looking forward to putting some games in and getting good with him. Sounds like now isn’t the best time to be an Assassin though.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 07 2019 19:14 GMT
#35
yea seems like rip assassins - zhonyas on mages, and pd on adcs.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 07 2019 19:53 GMT
#36
I'm happy that ADC is looking stronger again, but Riot seems to have gone over the top again in one patch, crit changes plus the new PD, assassins are not fun this meta.

Opinions on Stormrazor in the bot lane? Think it's not very good anymore, no idea what champs want to build it.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 07 2019 21:11 GMT
#37
I think I've figured out the problem with assassins: The Support and jungle buffs.

See, its a strategic advantage when you pick off one of the enemy wardslaves, but its game ending if you murder a carry. Since carries are just as squishy as, and sometimes more than the supports, they can either kill carries in one rotation or be useless. Really your job is supposed to be to kill Janna so Vayne has to play scared, not kill Vayne so the teamfight is over 100%.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
February 07 2019 21:14 GMT
#38
On February 08 2019 04:53 DarkCore wrote:
I'm happy that ADC is looking stronger again, but Riot seems to have gone over the top again in one patch, crit changes plus the new PD, assassins are not fun this meta.

Opinions on Stormrazor in the bot lane? Think it's not very good anymore, no idea what champs want to build it.

The energize boost increases RFC's range increase, so that could be interesting. Caitlyn and longer outrange towers with Stomrazer+RFC for that attack.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 07 2019 23:04 GMT
#39
If riot wasn't willing to nerf supports to solve funnel, they aren't going to nerf the role ever
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 01:53:25
February 08 2019 01:52 GMT
#40
So many ADC players dont even read the patchnotes or something.

"Man, the *insert assassin* so strong. Can't live. GG RIOT."

PD so strong, but I have to practically flame kids that keep getting blown up to buy it. Its just like... Yiiiikes. Same stats as RFC and Runaans but also 7% movespeed and 600 HP shield? Nah, better get the 100 dmg proc. Better also get GA fourth or fifth after the assassin already snowballed.

That's a tilter.
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