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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35140 Posts
February 08 2019 03:05 GMT
#41
On February 08 2019 10:52 iCanada wrote:
So many ADC players dont even read the patchnotes or something.

"Man, the *insert assassin* so strong. Can't live. GG RIOT."

PD so strong, but I have to practically flame kids that keep getting blown up to buy it. Its just like... Yiiiikes. Same stats as RFC and Runaans but also 7% movespeed and 600 HP shield? Nah, better get the 100 dmg proc. Better also get GA fourth or fifth after the assassin already snowballed.

That's a tilter.

You know how it is. Soloq is slow to adapt unless some champ is in your face broken or pro plays shows them how.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
February 08 2019 04:52 GMT
#42
pd is broken as fuck. i dont see how they thought itd be wise to give adcs a sterak that comes in the form of a normal zeal item. they should get rid of pd's crit chance or something so you have to sacrifice some damage. forcing adcs to choose between qss, ga, maw and pd is good but when pd can do it all....herp derp
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 08 2019 04:57 GMT
#43
The shield is just too much currently, but its actually a good idea. ADCs need to be tankier in general for the balance of the game. Every ADC item should have that kind of defensive utility, but cost a lot more.
Freeeeeeedom
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
February 08 2019 06:31 GMT
#44
They specifically thought Steraks was a bad idea on ADCs ages ago...so /shrug
Que Sera Sera
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
February 08 2019 09:04 GMT
#45
Ah yes, the age old 'Riot meta policy' where they remove something because it's broken, go into detail why they believe it is broken, but then magically bring it back after a few seasons slightly different but with the same problems.

ADC is just incredibly hard to balance. The whole idea of the role is to min/max health vs damage, because being ranged is a natural advantage in League. So much that ADC have to be balanced around being pathetically weak early and needing peel at all times, most ADC can't solo lane very well because they just get blown up. Riot has spent the last two seasons trying to change this, but always seem to half ass it. We got juggernaut patch Morde for a while, then mages started taking over the lane, and for this start of season the only ADC considered viable were Lucian. Ezreal and a sprinkle of Kai'Sa.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4755 Posts
February 08 2019 09:30 GMT
#46
Btw, items feel legit like season 3/4 or something to you guys? With the addition of a few new ones.
It just feels so strange that they revert and crit items and the LW damage + armor pen amount..
Next thing you know they give it back the old icon lol.
PD feels incredibly broken.
Jhin feels broken.
And Twitch has also made a return.
As previously stated, stormrazer synergizes well with autoattackers that can utilize (i.e. abuse) their range to the fullest. A 3/4 item Cait that gets an 800(?) range energized attack + a 40% slow for 1s is bonkers, even if the damage isn't incredibly high. And then it even gives you 30% more energized proc's, although I haven't tested it out myself yet..
Taxes are for Terrans
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 11:41:46
February 08 2019 11:41 GMT
#47
Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD

I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe

Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 08 2019 11:52 GMT
#48
On February 08 2019 18:04 DarkCore wrote:
Ah yes, the age old 'Riot meta policy' where they remove something because it's broken, go into detail why they believe it is broken, but then magically bring it back after a few seasons slightly different but with the same problems.

ADC is just incredibly hard to balance. The whole idea of the role is to min/max health vs damage, because being ranged is a natural advantage in League. So much that ADC have to be balanced around being pathetically weak early and needing peel at all times, most ADC can't solo lane very well because they just get blown up. Riot has spent the last two seasons trying to change this, but always seem to half ass it. We got juggernaut patch Morde for a while, then mages started taking over the lane, and for this start of season the only ADC considered viable were Lucian. Ezreal and a sprinkle of Kai'Sa.


Part of the issue is Riot doesn't have any consistent direction or management vision. So new people take over and believe they have the best direction ever doing their own thing. No one seems to learn from past mistakes. Hell we spent half a season last year opening up bot lane to new types of heroes yet now they abandoning that to just shove ADC back in there as defacto best. Why bother doing that mid season when you know it'll cause issues instead of using pre-season? Why stop doing it now?

Riot really shows what happens when you don't have strong competent leadership to keep a unified vision
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
February 08 2019 12:40 GMT
#49
On February 08 2019 20:41 M2 wrote:
Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD

I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe


this is legimately the best idea for solo ranked.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-08 16:32:49
February 08 2019 16:31 GMT
#50
On February 08 2019 21:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2019 20:41 M2 wrote:
Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD

I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe


this is legimately the best idea for solo ranked.

Actually what I would do is leave the role selection up to silver, because there are plenty of people like the 1 000 000 points bronze 5 ashe for whom will be a torture to play other roles, but for the rest who can reach up to gold where also the rewards are and where they are showing that they want to be competitive, then the system should switch to fill
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4755 Posts
February 08 2019 16:43 GMT
#51
This doesn't work because pref adc's still pref adc and in higher ranks people know who the pref adc's are so they get swapped away. What happens then? Is there an algorithm to analyze what your primary role is and to give it to you even if it's "random"?
Also, people have been maining a certain role for years now and letting supports adc, or jungle's lane or midlaners support or whatever the fuck it is, is mindnumbingly frustrating.
Also, the more specialized people are in their role, the less they'll perform in their offrole, making the entire process a hassle. Getting a filled guy once every so often in your games isn't that bad tbh.
The new system has many more satisfied customers than before.
Taxes are for Terrans
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
February 08 2019 16:54 GMT
#52
Why dont we change sports so that in handegg every game someone else is the quarterback and in soccer someone else has to play goalkeeper every game. This people have been getting away with faking being good at their sport for years.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
February 08 2019 17:39 GMT
#53
On February 08 2019 20:41 M2 wrote:
Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD

I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe


Are you secretly a support main? Because we're going to swap to our role in 99% of the games in such a system.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
February 08 2019 18:03 GMT
#54
A little off topic, but public service announcement. GSL is back cast by tasteless and artosis and the meta seems to be favoring pretty fun and exciting games. Wouldn’t post that on most league forums, but I figure with the roots of team liquid it’s ok here.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 08 2019 19:03 GMT
#55
Much more importantly, asl ro16 starts tomorrow
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 08 2019 19:38 GMT
#56
Wish LL sidebar had SC2/BW events too. I don't really visit main site anymore. Only shitpost here and TLADT
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35140 Posts
February 08 2019 21:15 GMT
#57
On February 09 2019 04:03 killerdog wrote:
Much more importantly, asl ro16 starts tomorrow

Flash isn't playing this tournament, so BW is dead to me until the next one.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
February 08 2019 21:49 GMT
#58
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/2uXMU488-quick-gameplay-thoughts-february-8

Rek'sai changes POG!
Que Sera Sera
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 08 2019 22:49 GMT
#59
On February 08 2019 20:52 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2019 18:04 DarkCore wrote:
Ah yes, the age old 'Riot meta policy' where they remove something because it's broken, go into detail why they believe it is broken, but then magically bring it back after a few seasons slightly different but with the same problems.

ADC is just incredibly hard to balance. The whole idea of the role is to min/max health vs damage, because being ranged is a natural advantage in League. So much that ADC have to be balanced around being pathetically weak early and needing peel at all times, most ADC can't solo lane very well because they just get blown up. Riot has spent the last two seasons trying to change this, but always seem to half ass it. We got juggernaut patch Morde for a while, then mages started taking over the lane, and for this start of season the only ADC considered viable were Lucian. Ezreal and a sprinkle of Kai'Sa.


Part of the issue is Riot doesn't have any consistent direction or management vision. So new people take over and believe they have the best direction ever doing their own thing. No one seems to learn from past mistakes. Hell we spent half a season last year opening up bot lane to new types of heroes yet now they abandoning that to just shove ADC back in there as defacto best. Why bother doing that mid season when you know it'll cause issues instead of using pre-season? Why stop doing it now?

Riot really shows what happens when you don't have strong competent leadership to keep a unified vision


Because the influence of streamers on balance is too great
Carrilord has arrived.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-09 15:42:35
February 09 2019 15:37 GMT
#60
Their goal isn't to finish league, it's to keep it "fresh" enough that people stay interested, and maybe drag some old players back each time they shake things up.

Keep meta's rotating to keep current players interested and keep viewers watching the pro scene. Keep champions cycling in and out of the meta to encourage players to buy new champions (and skins :p). And throw out big reworks/changes every so often so people who drift away go "oh look that new dragon/baron/item/champion/interaction looks really cool/funny/meme, I need to try that" and start playing again.

If they'd had a consistent vision and an idea of an end goal, and had spent the last few years guiding it to that through smaller and smaller tiny balance changes, the game would have died ages ago.
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