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Patch 9.3: Live on Feb. 06, 2019
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According to the bugfix list there's no Rek'sai bug fixes  Sux. Maybe if we're lucky it's undocumented.
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Putting essence flair on an item better suited for bruizers is pretty bold. But tbh is probably fine since buffing crit adc is a nerf to every other class in the game anyway
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Riot bug fixing champs that don't sell skins, pfft not gonna happen.
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It's actually a worse item. The item is more expensive and less gold efficient than old ER, even on champions like Riven who got 0 value from the mana related bits.
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wonder whats gonna happen to lucian/ez/( i ban vayne) every game
probably not much?
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the assassins might fall even more now with the new dancer
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So is akali now trash tier, or balanced?
- Cass change is dumb, it could even be considered a buff if she's ahead because of the ratio change.
- Essence reaver looks niche, because they nerfed the damage but it gives a lot of crit. Guess we're seeing Xayah build it again.
- Stormrazor has become a strong lan8ng item for the likes of Cait and Ashe but scaling has been gutted to the point it might not be worth it.
- ADC meta is back bois, I'm so happy to finally shit on tanks again.
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No Urgot changes. No Karthus changes.
I sometimes wonder about how riot thinks about making balance decisions. If a Karthus skin comes out next patch or we finally get star guardian urgot then these changes can be evaluated as cynical cash grabs. If the skins don’t come then I have no idea.
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On February 06 2019 08:05 General_Winter wrote:
No Urgot changes. No Karthus changes.
I sometimes wonder about how riot thinks about making balance decisions. If a Karthus skin comes out next patch or we finally get star guardian urgot then these changes can be evaluated as cynical cash grabs. If the skins don’t come then I have no idea.
I always thought that Karthus ult is detached from league's design and it should have range like pantheon's and TF's ults. All league globals have some drawbacks like being a skill shot or range restricted, only karthus can press R without thinking about it
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I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore
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On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore
Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well.
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Now that Camille is nerfed, Kayn's gonna be SSSS tier in LPL :D
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On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well.
um like every single pro team in the lck?
by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams
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On February 06 2019 09:58 dsyxelic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well. um like every single pro team in the lck? by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams
Ah, you were referring to competitive. Yeah, I think she won't be first pick/ban worthy anymore. Would have to see how much it hurts her but we just saw last week in i think it was the Afreeca game how important her healing was. She's fp-able cause she can be flexed between mid/top but idk if that's going to be possible. There are big changes in the top lane meta coming too so...too early to say but soloq at the least, she's fucked.
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On February 06 2019 10:07 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 09:58 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well. um like every single pro team in the lck? by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams Ah, you were referring to competitive. Yeah, I think she won't be first pick/ban worthy anymore. Would have to see how much it hurts her but we just saw last week in i think it was the Afreeca game how important her healing was. She's fp-able cause she can be flexed between mid/top but idk if that's going to be possible. There are big changes in the top lane meta coming too so...too early to say but soloq at the least, she's fucked.
I still think she will be high priority. Healing/turret shroud hurts but its not enough to make her garbage tier from first pick or ban status every single game. Though this is mainly through the context of LCK since they seem to put the most priority onto Akali with good success.
As for soloq, its mainly just bad players but laning power definitely matters more there so it should hurt.
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On February 06 2019 10:20 dsyxelic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 10:07 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:58 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well. um like every single pro team in the lck? by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams Ah, you were referring to competitive. Yeah, I think she won't be first pick/ban worthy anymore. Would have to see how much it hurts her but we just saw last week in i think it was the Afreeca game how important her healing was. She's fp-able cause she can be flexed between mid/top but idk if that's going to be possible. There are big changes in the top lane meta coming too so...too early to say but soloq at the least, she's fucked. I still think she will be high priority. Healing/turret shroud hurts but its not enough to make her garbage tier from first pick or ban status every single game. Though this is mainly through the context of LCK since they seem to put the most priority onto Akali with good success. As for soloq, its mainly just bad players but laning power definitely matters more there so it should hurt.
If she does stay relevant after these nerfs...fucking hell how does Riot justify these champ designs and number man... She's getting hammered patch after patch and still could be relevant.
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On February 06 2019 10:33 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 10:20 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 10:07 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:58 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well. um like every single pro team in the lck? by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams Ah, you were referring to competitive. Yeah, I think she won't be first pick/ban worthy anymore. Would have to see how much it hurts her but we just saw last week in i think it was the Afreeca game how important her healing was. She's fp-able cause she can be flexed between mid/top but idk if that's going to be possible. There are big changes in the top lane meta coming too so...too early to say but soloq at the least, she's fucked. I still think she will be high priority. Healing/turret shroud hurts but its not enough to make her garbage tier from first pick or ban status every single game. Though this is mainly through the context of LCK since they seem to put the most priority onto Akali with good success. As for soloq, its mainly just bad players but laning power definitely matters more there so it should hurt. If she does stay relevant after these nerfs...fucking hell how does Riot justify these champ designs and number man... She's getting hammered patch after patch and still could be relevant.
I think these were good changes compared to the ones previously. They actually target the parts that made her broken af. I'm hoping she's just ok to good now
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On February 06 2019 10:40 dsyxelic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 10:33 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 10:20 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 10:07 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:58 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well. um like every single pro team in the lck? by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams Ah, you were referring to competitive. Yeah, I think she won't be first pick/ban worthy anymore. Would have to see how much it hurts her but we just saw last week in i think it was the Afreeca game how important her healing was. She's fp-able cause she can be flexed between mid/top but idk if that's going to be possible. There are big changes in the top lane meta coming too so...too early to say but soloq at the least, she's fucked. I still think she will be high priority. Healing/turret shroud hurts but its not enough to make her garbage tier from first pick or ban status every single game. Though this is mainly through the context of LCK since they seem to put the most priority onto Akali with good success. As for soloq, its mainly just bad players but laning power definitely matters more there so it should hurt. If she does stay relevant after these nerfs...fucking hell how does Riot justify these champ designs and number man... She's getting hammered patch after patch and still could be relevant. I think these were good changes compared to the ones previously. They actually target the parts that made her broken af. I'm hoping she's just ok to good now
Yeah but once again Riot shows a complete unwillingness to nerf the most obviously broken shit out of a champ's kit and it becomes dogshit for soloq. They nerf all the surrounding shit (making the champ trash for soloq but still fine for comp) and then finally nerf the root problem and the champ (usually) falls out of competitive favor and is troll pick in soloq.
You'd think they'd learn by now but.... /shrug
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On February 06 2019 11:06 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 10:40 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 10:33 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 10:20 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 10:07 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:58 dsyxelic wrote:On February 06 2019 09:54 AdsMoFro wrote:On February 06 2019 09:13 dsyxelic wrote:
I think akali is still pretty good. might just not be a first pick and blind it into anything pick anymore Who the fuck was blind picking and first pickin akali on 9.2?? She's dead pretty sure. Already was dogshit in soloq, and now (she was already starting to fade in competitive btw) she's fucked in almost every lane in comp as well. um like every single pro team in the lck? by dead i'm assuming you are ignoring lck because last i checked she was first pick or ban pretty much every match at least among the top teams Ah, you were referring to competitive. Yeah, I think she won't be first pick/ban worthy anymore. Would have to see how much it hurts her but we just saw last week in i think it was the Afreeca game how important her healing was. She's fp-able cause she can be flexed between mid/top but idk if that's going to be possible. There are big changes in the top lane meta coming too so...too early to say but soloq at the least, she's fucked. I still think she will be high priority. Healing/turret shroud hurts but its not enough to make her garbage tier from first pick or ban status every single game. Though this is mainly through the context of LCK since they seem to put the most priority onto Akali with good success. As for soloq, its mainly just bad players but laning power definitely matters more there so it should hurt. If she does stay relevant after these nerfs...fucking hell how does Riot justify these champ designs and number man... She's getting hammered patch after patch and still could be relevant. I think these were good changes compared to the ones previously. They actually target the parts that made her broken af. I'm hoping she's just ok to good now Yeah but once again Riot shows a complete unwillingness to nerf the most obviously broken shit out of a champ's kit and it becomes dogshit for soloq. They nerf all the surrounding shit (making the champ trash for soloq but still fine for comp) and then finally nerf the root problem and the champ (usually) falls out of competitive favor and is troll pick in soloq. You'd think they'd learn by now but.... /shrug
I call that the Kalista where it took them years to just nerf the damage to monsters lol
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I think Lee is an even better example, he's been beaten to death but still comes back every season. Only reasons he's not uber tier is because other champs with dumb kits have been released since then. Kalista has been awful for ages, Riots unwillingness to rework her is astonishing because her kit simply can't be balanced in its current state.
Yeah, we're about to see Kayn become super meta in pro play, he's already quite strong, one of the best scaling junglers in the game.
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I doubt Akali will be picked in the pro scene now, not because she is too weak, but because now she is just a regular assassin, an assassin like an assassin and assassins are not picked in pro so much as we know, it has to be a busted assassin to be picked there, often with some busted iteration like akali had or like irelia is able to assassinate but is also a front line somehow
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On February 06 2019 09:09 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 08:05 General_Winter wrote:
No Urgot changes. No Karthus changes.
I sometimes wonder about how riot thinks about making balance decisions. If a Karthus skin comes out next patch or we finally get star guardian urgot then these changes can be evaluated as cynical cash grabs. If the skins don’t come then I have no idea. I always thought that Karthus ult is detached from league's design and it should have range like pantheon's and TF's ults. All league globals have some drawbacks like being a skill shot or range restricted, only karthus can press R without thinking about it
Shen and Soraka would like a word with you. All global anti-fun ults are fire and forget. 
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Lck probably just going to revert to full protect the adc even if Akali wasn’t nerfed.
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On February 07 2019 00:03 Slusher wrote:
Lck probably just going to revert to full protect the adc even if Akali wasn’t nerfed.
Perfect for Deft and KZ.
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Yeah, wonder how teams will react to the changes. Maybe Ruler can carry his team to first place now?
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I want to see Caps play Lulu for Perkz's Caitlyn
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Don’t forget the winder maokai to set it up 😍
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On February 07 2019 00:10 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2019 00:03 Slusher wrote:
Lck probably just going to revert to full protect the adc even if Akali wasn’t nerfed. Perfect for Deft and KZ.
jokes on you this was how skt was already drafting all their games. pick tanks and let teddy do the heavy lifting
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As long as Griffin still wins with Awesome Dudes I don't care
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On February 06 2019 18:55 DarkCore wrote:
I think Lee is an even better example, he's been beaten to death but still comes back every season. Only reasons he's not uber tier is because other champs with dumb kits have been released since then. Kalista has been awful for ages, Riots unwillingness to rework her is astonishing because her kit simply can't be balanced in its current state.
Yeah, we're about to see Kayn become super meta in pro play, he's already quite strong, one of the best scaling junglers in the game.
I was speaking more in terms of Riot refusing to nerf obvious parts of a champion's kit where it needlessly pushes the champ into OP territory
the rend damage to monsters was called to be nerfed since like the 1st or 2nd time she became op
it was completely unnecessary to randomly give her the best objective control skill in the game as an adc
On February 06 2019 19:59 M2 wrote:
I doubt Akali will be picked in the pro scene now, not because she is too weak, but because now she is just a regular assassin, an assassin like an assassin and assassins are not picked in pro so much as we know, it has to be a busted assassin to be picked there, often with some busted iteration like akali had or like irelia is able to assassinate but is also a front line somehow
actually, yeah i forgot that with adc's becoming better and shit like ivern popping up again it can definitely push a weaker akali out. we'll see, I feel like her teamfighting was pretty ridic as an assassin - she didn't necessarily rely on getting picks/roaming
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I was unable to one shot jinx with full ad build rengar, while jinx was at 4 items with tabis and phantom dancer. I mean she was walking alone and I would have killed her eventually but her nami came and healed her before the last auto, but somehow she survived at least 2 seconds before nami and if you cannot kill an adc with full damage assassin who is also ahead and is the strongest champion in the game at that moment, assassins will not have a fun time on the rift
Also this was Jinx, something like Lucian or Vayne will probably go alone and hunt for assassins with this item, maybe, I dont know.
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On February 07 2019 19:21 M2 wrote:I was unable to one shot jinx with full ad build rengar, while jinx was at 4 items with tabis and phantom dancer. I mean she was walking alone and I would have killed her eventually but her nami came and healed her before the last auto, but somehow she survived at least 2 seconds before nami and if you cannot kill an adc with full damage assassin who is also ahead and is the strongest champion in the game at that moment, assassins will not have a fun time on the rift Also this was Jinx, something like Lucian or Vayne will probably go alone and hunt for assassins with this item, maybe, I dont know.
PD is busted for sure.
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That’s a shame. Last patch I was having really good luck with khazix despite not playing him very well, so I was looking forward to putting some games in and getting good with him. Sounds like now isn’t the best time to be an Assassin though.
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yea seems like rip assassins - zhonyas on mages, and pd on adcs.
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I'm happy that ADC is looking stronger again, but Riot seems to have gone over the top again in one patch, crit changes plus the new PD, assassins are not fun this meta.
Opinions on Stormrazor in the bot lane? Think it's not very good anymore, no idea what champs want to build it.
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I think I've figured out the problem with assassins: The Support and jungle buffs.
See, its a strategic advantage when you pick off one of the enemy wardslaves, but its game ending if you murder a carry. Since carries are just as squishy as, and sometimes more than the supports, they can either kill carries in one rotation or be useless. Really your job is supposed to be to kill Janna so Vayne has to play scared, not kill Vayne so the teamfight is over 100%.
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On February 08 2019 04:53 DarkCore wrote:
I'm happy that ADC is looking stronger again, but Riot seems to have gone over the top again in one patch, crit changes plus the new PD, assassins are not fun this meta.
Opinions on Stormrazor in the bot lane? Think it's not very good anymore, no idea what champs want to build it.
The energize boost increases RFC's range increase, so that could be interesting. Caitlyn and longer outrange towers with Stomrazer+RFC for that attack.
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If riot wasn't willing to nerf supports to solve funnel, they aren't going to nerf the role ever
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So many ADC players dont even read the patchnotes or something.
"Man, the *insert assassin* so strong. Can't live. GG RIOT."
PD so strong, but I have to practically flame kids that keep getting blown up to buy it. Its just like... Yiiiikes. Same stats as RFC and Runaans but also 7% movespeed and 600 HP shield? Nah, better get the 100 dmg proc. Better also get GA fourth or fifth after the assassin already snowballed.
That's a tilter.
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On February 08 2019 10:52 iCanada wrote:
So many ADC players dont even read the patchnotes or something.
"Man, the *insert assassin* so strong. Can't live. GG RIOT."
PD so strong, but I have to practically flame kids that keep getting blown up to buy it. Its just like... Yiiiikes. Same stats as RFC and Runaans but also 7% movespeed and 600 HP shield? Nah, better get the 100 dmg proc. Better also get GA fourth or fifth after the assassin already snowballed.
That's a tilter.
You know how it is. Soloq is slow to adapt unless some champ is in your face broken or pro plays shows them how.
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pd is broken as fuck. i dont see how they thought itd be wise to give adcs a sterak that comes in the form of a normal zeal item. they should get rid of pd's crit chance or something so you have to sacrifice some damage. forcing adcs to choose between qss, ga, maw and pd is good but when pd can do it all....herp derp
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The shield is just too much currently, but its actually a good idea. ADCs need to be tankier in general for the balance of the game. Every ADC item should have that kind of defensive utility, but cost a lot more.
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They specifically thought Steraks was a bad idea on ADCs ages ago...so /shrug
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Ah yes, the age old 'Riot meta policy' where they remove something because it's broken, go into detail why they believe it is broken, but then magically bring it back after a few seasons slightly different but with the same problems.
ADC is just incredibly hard to balance. The whole idea of the role is to min/max health vs damage, because being ranged is a natural advantage in League. So much that ADC have to be balanced around being pathetically weak early and needing peel at all times, most ADC can't solo lane very well because they just get blown up. Riot has spent the last two seasons trying to change this, but always seem to half ass it. We got juggernaut patch Morde for a while, then mages started taking over the lane, and for this start of season the only ADC considered viable were Lucian. Ezreal and a sprinkle of Kai'Sa.
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Btw, items feel legit like season 3/4 or something to you guys? With the addition of a few new ones.
It just feels so strange that they revert and crit items and the LW damage + armor pen amount..
Next thing you know they give it back the old icon lol.
PD feels incredibly broken.
Jhin feels broken.
And Twitch has also made a return.
As previously stated, stormrazer synergizes well with autoattackers that can utilize (i.e. abuse) their range to the fullest. A 3/4 item Cait that gets an 800(?) range energized attack + a 40% slow for 1s is bonkers, even if the damage isn't incredibly high. And then it even gives you 30% more energized proc's, although I haven't tested it out myself yet..
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Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD
I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe
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On February 08 2019 18:04 DarkCore wrote:
Ah yes, the age old 'Riot meta policy' where they remove something because it's broken, go into detail why they believe it is broken, but then magically bring it back after a few seasons slightly different but with the same problems.
ADC is just incredibly hard to balance. The whole idea of the role is to min/max health vs damage, because being ranged is a natural advantage in League. So much that ADC have to be balanced around being pathetically weak early and needing peel at all times, most ADC can't solo lane very well because they just get blown up. Riot has spent the last two seasons trying to change this, but always seem to half ass it. We got juggernaut patch Morde for a while, then mages started taking over the lane, and for this start of season the only ADC considered viable were Lucian. Ezreal and a sprinkle of Kai'Sa.
Part of the issue is Riot doesn't have any consistent direction or management vision. So new people take over and believe they have the best direction ever doing their own thing. No one seems to learn from past mistakes. Hell we spent half a season last year opening up bot lane to new types of heroes yet now they abandoning that to just shove ADC back in there as defacto best. Why bother doing that mid season when you know it'll cause issues instead of using pre-season? Why stop doing it now?
Riot really shows what happens when you don't have strong competent leadership to keep a unified vision
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On February 08 2019 20:41 M2 wrote:Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe
this is legimately the best idea for solo ranked.
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On February 08 2019 21:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2019 20:41 M2 wrote:Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe this is legimately the best idea for solo ranked.
Actually what I would do is leave the role selection up to silver, because there are plenty of people like the 1 000 000 points bronze 5 ashe for whom will be a torture to play other roles, but for the rest who can reach up to gold where also the rewards are and where they are showing that they want to be competitive, then the system should switch to fill
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This doesn't work because pref adc's still pref adc and in higher ranks people know who the pref adc's are so they get swapped away. What happens then? Is there an algorithm to analyze what your primary role is and to give it to you even if it's "random"?
Also, people have been maining a certain role for years now and letting supports adc, or jungle's lane or midlaners support or whatever the fuck it is, is mindnumbingly frustrating.
Also, the more specialized people are in their role, the less they'll perform in their offrole, making the entire process a hassle. Getting a filled guy once every so often in your games isn't that bad tbh.
The new system has many more satisfied customers than before.
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Why dont we change sports so that in handegg every game someone else is the quarterback and in soccer someone else has to play goalkeeper every game. This people have been getting away with faking being good at their sport for years.
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On February 08 2019 20:41 M2 wrote:Guys, please dont trigger me on the subject how retarded bot laners are in comparison with the other 3 roles relatively for the same elo, please xDDD I was thinking why doesnt Riot just make fill the only option and then everyone will have to play everything like in the past with the difference, that people will not have to argue over roles because they will be assigned by the system, also, trolls who steal roles will be easily punished/banned and everybody will be happy, maybe
Are you secretly a support main? Because we're going to swap to our role in 99% of the games in such a system.
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A little off topic, but public service announcement. GSL is back cast by tasteless and artosis and the meta seems to be favoring pretty fun and exciting games. Wouldn’t post that on most league forums, but I figure with the roots of team liquid it’s ok here.
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Much more importantly, asl ro16 starts tomorrow
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Wish LL sidebar had SC2/BW events too. I don't really visit main site anymore. Only shitpost here and TLADT
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On February 09 2019 04:03 killerdog wrote:
Much more importantly, asl ro16 starts tomorrow
Flash isn't playing this tournament, so BW is dead to me until the next one.
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On February 08 2019 20:52 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2019 18:04 DarkCore wrote:
Ah yes, the age old 'Riot meta policy' where they remove something because it's broken, go into detail why they believe it is broken, but then magically bring it back after a few seasons slightly different but with the same problems.
ADC is just incredibly hard to balance. The whole idea of the role is to min/max health vs damage, because being ranged is a natural advantage in League. So much that ADC have to be balanced around being pathetically weak early and needing peel at all times, most ADC can't solo lane very well because they just get blown up. Riot has spent the last two seasons trying to change this, but always seem to half ass it. We got juggernaut patch Morde for a while, then mages started taking over the lane, and for this start of season the only ADC considered viable were Lucian. Ezreal and a sprinkle of Kai'Sa. Part of the issue is Riot doesn't have any consistent direction or management vision. So new people take over and believe they have the best direction ever doing their own thing. No one seems to learn from past mistakes. Hell we spent half a season last year opening up bot lane to new types of heroes yet now they abandoning that to just shove ADC back in there as defacto best. Why bother doing that mid season when you know it'll cause issues instead of using pre-season? Why stop doing it now? Riot really shows what happens when you don't have strong competent leadership to keep a unified vision
Because the influence of streamers on balance is too great
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Their goal isn't to finish league, it's to keep it "fresh" enough that people stay interested, and maybe drag some old players back each time they shake things up.
Keep meta's rotating to keep current players interested and keep viewers watching the pro scene. Keep champions cycling in and out of the meta to encourage players to buy new champions (and skins :p). And throw out big reworks/changes every so often so people who drift away go "oh look that new dragon/baron/item/champion/interaction looks really cool/funny/meme, I need to try that" and start playing again.
If they'd had a consistent vision and an idea of an end goal, and had spent the last few years guiding it to that through smaller and smaller tiny balance changes, the game would have died ages ago.
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On February 09 2019 03:03 General_Winter wrote:
A little off topic, but public service announcement. GSL is back cast by tasteless and artosis and the meta seems to be favoring pretty fun and exciting games. Wouldn’t post that on most league forums, but I figure with the roots of team liquid it’s ok here.
It's because they went back to the good GSL logo.
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When both Sylas and the enemy are low health, what does his W prioritize ? to heal him, to do more damage or both?
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On February 10 2019 05:59 M2 wrote:
When both Sylas and the enemy are low health, what does his W prioritize ? to heal him, to do more damage or both?
Both.
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Looks cool, more anime/cartoon faces. Guess this means I can't carry myself with Morg support anymore.
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gweilo verison
Morg Q, E and R look the same? I was hoping they'll make some changes to her ult.
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Morgana's face looks like a rehash of Kai'sa's/Xayah's.
The game has rotated through art styles with time so it's natural that champions in the same "era" share similarities, but that one's pretty blatant.
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I’m just really glad black shield wasn’t removed because I had suspected it would be
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Next patch delayed to 21st due to holiday in America.
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I like the generic mobile game look.
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Kayle's new model is horrible but Morgana look pretty dope.....
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I'm curious what they will do with Unmasked Kayle.
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Real question is how is riot gonna balance another DPS mage...Imma guess poorly. Either trash in soloq good in comp or useless in both.
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On February 19 2019 18:51 AdsMoFro wrote:
Real question is how is riot gonna balance another DPS mage...Imma guess poorly. Either trash in soloq good in comp or useless in both.
Idk have they announced what she scales off?
The problem with Azir isn't his dps, its the kit. And I think that if Kaylee keeps her immunity that actually smooths the power curve from Silver to Challenger.
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On February 19 2019 21:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2019 18:51 AdsMoFro wrote:
Real question is how is riot gonna balance another DPS mage...Imma guess poorly. Either trash in soloq good in comp or useless in both. Idk have they announced what she scales off? The problem with Azir isn't his dps, its the kit. And I think that if Kaylee keeps her immunity that actually smooths the power curve from Silver to Challenger.
I believe they're talking about Ryze.
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On February 19 2019 21:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2019 21:28 cLutZ wrote:On February 19 2019 18:51 AdsMoFro wrote:
Real question is how is riot gonna balance another DPS mage...Imma guess poorly. Either trash in soloq good in comp or useless in both. Idk have they announced what she scales off? The problem with Azir isn't his dps, its the kit. And I think that if Kaylee keeps her immunity that actually smooths the power curve from Silver to Challenger. I believe they're talking about Ryze.
Well it should be both. Kayle is a sustained DPS mage. Also, Ryze's biggest problem is that they have never figured out how to replace the power from his old single target Q without breaking everything else. Obviously his current Q is an absolutely trash spell with its no effects and no CC, like a super crappy Ez Q. And the rework to a semiglobal ult was obviously a disaster for the "Either trash in soloq good in comp or useless in both" problem.
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Ryze/Azir/Cass(to a lesser extent) have all been troublesome competitive balance champs. Don't have much hope in Riot's team to figure Kayle out assuming she doesn't get left in the niche pool of champs.
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Why does Morgana's ult look like it fires Q's?
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On February 19 2019 22:55 Ansibled wrote:
Why does Morgana's ult look like it fires Q's?
Recycled Doom Bot animations?
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On February 19 2019 22:43 AdsMoFro wrote:
Ryze/Azir/Cass(to a lesser extent) have all been troublesome competitive balance champs. Don't have much hope in Riot's team to figure Kayle out assuming she doesn't get left in the niche pool of champs.
I think Cass is a good model to look at. She scales very well with skill, but does so linearly like most AD Carries. So even though Challenger Cass is much stronger its not insanely stronger when compared to just how much better Challenger players are. This is similar (IMO) to how Orianna was when she was the midlane staple of the competitive scene. She scales well with skill, but that scaling still occurs very much when one goes from Bronze to Plat. The grounding implementation for Cass is IMO a good deal of that. One of Riot's best more recent changes to a champion.
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On February 19 2019 17:25 iCanada wrote:
I'm curious what they will do with Unmasked Kayle.
Better be "I got mah armor back"-Kayle.
Why did they take a heavily armored angel and turn her into a skinsuit+pauldrons angel.
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On February 20 2019 01:58 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2019 17:25 iCanada wrote:
I'm curious what they will do with Unmasked Kayle. Better be "I got mah armor back"-Kayle. Why did they take a heavily armored angel and turn her into a skinsuit+pauldrons angel.
I$$$$wouldn't$$$$$know$$$$$$
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On February 19 2019 17:25 iCanada wrote:
I'm curious what they will do with Unmasked Kayle.
Why not just give her a mask and call the skin UnUnmasked Kayle?
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Why not copy the new base skin and call it UnUnUnmasked Kayle?
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On February 20 2019 02:57 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2019 17:25 iCanada wrote:
I'm curious what they will do with Unmasked Kayle. Why not just give her a mask and call the skin UnUnmasked Kayle?
Looks to be repalced with this "Transcended Kayle" skin:
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Shame, with the cartoony faces I was half expecting:
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Morg doesn't seem to be changed, so I'm happy.
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Silver Kayle looks beast as fuck. As an old dude, I'm hyped that I got conned into buying LoL in stores ten years ago.
Level 16 Kayle seems more OP than Level 16 Kass. Level 1 Kayle seems... Yikes.
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That looks like "thigh Kayle" Can't complain.
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Anyone know when Kayle supposed to be on PBE?
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On February 20 2019 14:30 iCanada wrote:
Anyone know when Kayle supposed to be on PBE?
Should be when the PBE patch goes onto live and rolls over, so either tomorrow or the day after.
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A lot of these changes look pretty dumb.
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YOU NEED TO CLOSE THE THREAD ADS
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