EPTBest zerg today?
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SuperCyan
Philippines67 Posts
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flyingrat
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oxKnu
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kogeT
Poland2031 Posts
I would say Larva is better online and Soulkey is better overall (considering his title/offline matches) After them I would put Hero and Effort with equall skills, again with Hero being stronger offline.. JD would be the 5th Zerg but he still has his moments of brilliancy evening him with all the other zergs. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
Personally I think the msl/osl/asl kind of premier tournys are how we should really judge a progamer, because its the height of their profession; certainly its impressive to best in the abstract, but if you cant pull it out when moneys on the line, its sort of a chimera. In that regard, hero is clearly the best zerg right now. Has been for a while. | ||
BigFan
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Who performed the best online during the past year (May 2017) versus the very top end players? Who performed the best versus Bisu (those who played more than 30 online matches against him during the past year), the undisputed king of PvZ? 1. EffOrt: 54.3% win rate against Bisu in online sponsored matches since May 2017 2. Jaedong: 44.1% win rate against Bisu in online sponsored matches since May 2017 3. Larva: 43.1% win rate against Bisu in online sponsored matches since May 2017 4. herO: 40.0% win rate against Bisu in online sponsored matches since May 2017 5. Soulkey: 38.2% win rate against Bisu in online sponsored matches since May 2017 Who performed the best versus Flash (those who played more than 30 online matches against him during the past year), the undisputed king of the current Brood War scene? 1. Soulkey: 34.8% win rate against Flash in online sponsored matches since May 2017 2. EffOrt: 31.9% win rate against Flash in online sponsored matches since May 2017 3. herO: 28.9% win rate against Flash in online sponsored matches since May 2017 4. Larva: 26.8% win rate against Flash in online sponsored matches since May 2017 5. Jaedong: 17.6% win rate against Flash in online sponsored matches since May 2017 Who performed the best versus Jaedong (those who played more than 20 online matches against him during the past year), who still is probably the best mirror match-up player? 1. EffOrt: 47.7% win rate against Jaedong in online sponsored matches since May 2017 2. herO: 44.7% win rate against Jaedong in online sponsored matches since May 2017 3. Larva: 42.9% win rate against Jaedong in online sponsored matches since May 2017 4. Soulkey: 32.4% win rate against Jaedong in online sponsored matches since May 2017 I don't know why people extrapolate Soulkey's tremendous zerg-versus-terran abilities as if it was representative of his overall strengths as a player. Soulkey has been a zerg-versus-terran specialists since his professional years, and is a sheer natural at the match-up. However, he is not a grinder like herO or Larva, and I suspect will remain relatively unchanged in the future also. EffOrt, before his recent slump in recent months, was probably the best performing zerg player in online sponsored matches, but could never translate that into a decent ASL performance. To be quite frank, there is no satisfying answer. The throne for the title of the best zerg on the planet has been pretty much vacant ever since Jaedong started to suffer from injuries towards the very end of his professional career. Sure you can argue for some of the more prominent names, but I don't think any one zerg player is head and shoulders above the rest like Jaedong once was. | ||
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prosatan
Romania7775 Posts
sorry for caps , but i get excited when JD is in the discussion !!! | ||
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shakigami
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StimD
Norway738 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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byj
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kogeT
Poland2031 Posts
On May 14 2018 01:50 Alpha-NP- wrote: SK but he isn't a good tournament player to my chagrin. I think he is, he just was unlucky with 2x ZvZs. Other than that he won quite a few of online cups etc. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 14 2018 01:57 kogeT wrote: I think he is, he just was unlucky with 2x ZvZs. Other than that he won quite a few of online cups etc. Would you say Soulkey is the best zerg outside of his famed zerg-versus-terran match-up as of today? | ||
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Ej_
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danielias
Chile67 Posts
Best Current Zerg:Hero/Soulkey | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1511 Posts
I won't take in account bw new era with ASL and other tourney coze obviously this guy isn't putting the same "effort" (kill me) as he used to do when he was progamer. He clearly surpassed Jaedong at the time he powned Flash in OSL final and there is no one that came even close to him since then. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 14 2018 03:27 iFU.pauline wrote: Effort of course. this guy has the sickest z v t and z v p ever recorded. Only Jaedong equals him when it comes to zvz. Would be an insult to even compare him to lower zergs like hero(wtf?) or larva lol. I won't take in account bw new era with ASL and other tourney coze obviously this guy isn't putting the same "effort" (kill me) as he used to do when he was progamer. He clearly surpassed Jaedong at the time he powned Flash in OSL final and there is no one that came even close to him since then. What did EffOrt actually do outside of that one tournament to actually merit those kind of statements? EffOrt wasn't even the best zerg-versus-protoss player of his own team, never mind the entire professional scene back when he was active as a professional. CJ Entus protoss players have gone on the record that they struggled more versus Hydra than they did against EffOrt. The only match-up EffOrt had a clear upper hand compared to Hydra was zerg-versus-terran. Light only prepared for Woongjin Stars zergs outside of Jaedong, and rarely needed specific practice team to beat down EffOrt time and time again. EffOrt is, and was a top class zerg, but his legacy is way overblown due to his stylistic approach matching up well versus terran players such as Flash. There is more to competitive Brood War than defeating Flash, and putting players such as Soulkey and EffOrt on a pedestal simply due to their performances versus Flash leads to retarded behaviour that happens every time these players drop out early, as if their opponents did something wrong by denying these players the opportunity to play versus Flash. If we are going to rank zerg players solely for how well they fared versus Flash, I guess YellOw[ArnC] would be ranked as one of the greatest zergs of all-time. This is a flawed metric to judge players in my opinion. There is next to zero merit in being able to defeat Flash if you are not good enough to progress far enough in tournaments to show that. Being excellent within relatively narrow confines would count towards competitive success if the ProLeague still existed, and gamers could play the role of a match-up sniper. Alas, all we have left are individual leagues, and I really wish people stopped shaming players for "denying" players such as Soulkey or EffOrt from progressing far enough to challenge Flash. EffOrt has never shown the ability to deliver consistent competitive results even during his absolute peak (he never even reached the round of four outside of his famed Korean Air OGN StarLeague S1 during his professional career). That's a fact. EffOrt has never placed higher than herO in five ASL tournaments. That's also a fact. I would totally agree that in online sponsored matches, EffOrt showed superior form for months previously, as well as being vastly more talented of the two players. However, we are not measuring the midichlorian count of zerg gamers here. Players should be assessed for their competitive results first and foremost, otherwise the entire point of competition becomes moot. We might as well be viewing Brood War as a performance art similar to figure skating at that point. Why discuss competitive results when we can just know by watching? | ||
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SuperCyan
Philippines67 Posts
On May 14 2018 01:57 kogeT wrote: I think he is, he just was unlucky with 2x ZvZs. Other than that he won quite a few of online cups etc. I refuse to believe that Soulkey was unlucky. I mean, He had a chance to advance via the ASL 5 Wildcard qualifier (Bisu's slot), but he lost. Then came the ASL 5 3 day qualifiers, he didn't qualify until the last day. Then came the ASL 5 Ro. 24 and he didn't get past that Round. He had alot of chances to prove himself but sadly it shows that he's having a hard time now. | ||
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SuperCyan
Philippines67 Posts
On May 14 2018 03:18 danielias wrote: Best Zerg of all time: sAvior Best Current Zerg:Hero/Soulkey I've watched some sAvior games. And I've watched alot of Jaedong games. What I observe is how "developed" the zerg meta is at the time of Jaedong. And it shows in his macro and micro. That's what I think of when I watch old games of Savior | ||
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