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On April 18 2007 08:55 XelNaga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2007 08:37 lil.sis wrote:
see that's exactly the kind of shit i'm talking about
i hope YOU don't go around calling yourself a Christian
judge not lest you be judged etc That's an interesting verse, mind quoting it? Well, I know where it is, in Matthew. You familiar with 2 Timothy 3:16? All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousnessInteresting verse isn't it? You know why I said that? Lets recap some of what he said. However, abusing anything is wrong. U can get drunk with ur friends, but its wrong to drink every day coz its ruining ur body.Okay, so you think it's okay to get drunk with your friends? Romans 13:13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousyGalations 5:19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.Uh oh.. Did those verses just condemn being drunk in any situation? Yes, they did. What bible is he reading from? Not the same one I am... Moving along. U can have a girlfriend, perhaps even have sex before marriage if u really like her and feel its ok.Really eh? Where did you come up with this? What did Galations 5:19-21 just say? How about.. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.1 Corinthians 7:2 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husbandMark 10:6-8 But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know GodI'm sorry to be so "judgmental", but there's a thing called "Sunday Christianity" and then there's a thing called a "personal relationship with Christ". What this kid said, at this point in time, he's a Sunday Christian. And until he gets his life right, he has no business going around saying he's a Christian (assuming that he is). Oh, and for all you people who don't understand. I compared his behavior to scripture and called him out on it. A little different than judging him because of my person opinion. If he's going to call himself a Christian, then he's expected to be held to Christian theology. And for that email, it's general correct in my experience with others.
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
You judge him based on your belief of the bible. God believes that there is no such thing as a lesser sin. Do not point out the flaws of others because there are 3 fingers pointing out the flaws of you.
The bible also says things about not lusting, but I'm sure you honor those commandments too, right?
edit: sorry for the choppiness, kind of pissed reading his comments
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hang on it takes him a while to respond since he cut off his right hand and cast it from him since it is better to lose a part than lose the whole to the fires of hell
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Braavos36402 Posts
if u lose one hand it shud be the one u don't jerk off with
jerking off is good because it reduces all those sinful temptations
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Sydney2287 Posts
On April 18 2007 09:10 lil.sis wrote:
hang on it takes him a while to respond since he cut off his right hand and cast it from him since it is better to lose a part than lose the whole to the fires of hell
I normally hate people who do this, but:
HAHAHAHA
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On April 18 2007 09:06 lil.sis wrote:
congratulations you know the bible by heart and you went to sunday school and you go to church and you know the scriptures
guess what? you're still a fucking douche that is mean to other people and generally causes more harm than good
Oh really? You see, 2 Timothy 3:16 teaches that if you're going to go around saying "Hey!! I'm a Christian!!" then you should expect to live you life according to scripture. And when you aren't, then other Christians have that authority to pull you aside, and in light of what scripture teaches question your behavior, which is all I did. You might not like it and you might not understand it and you might think it's unfair, and I feel sorry for you, but that's just how it is.
On April 18 2007 09:06 lil.sis wrote:YOU are the reason why being a christian today is synonymous with being an idiot
Hardly, being a Christian today is synonymous with hypocrisy a holier than thou attitude and not living what you teach. You know, you might not understand the bible, and that's too bad. But that's what it teaches, and for this person to say what he said in light of scripture, is wrong. Because he isn't going to be reaching salvation living the way he wants to live.
On April 18 2007 09:06 lil.sis wrote:YOU are the reason why whenever people are approached by people trying to spread the word nobody gives it the time of day
Really? That hasn't been my experience, a lot of people are open to it. Perhaps your ignorance on the subject is more of a reason for anything than my knowledge on something you clearly know nothing about, nor want to understand anything about.
On April 18 2007 09:06 lil.sis wrote:you preach a message of arrogance, sanctimony, judgement and elitism. you may be christian, but you are still a bad person
if given the choice, i would prefer meeting niteReloaded 1000 times over meeting you
I'm glad you actually took the time to read and understand what I posted. I'm glad you didn't respond to me with a post written out of anger, hatred, judgment and an overall disdain for Christianity based on a preconception. What do I preach.. Scripture, can you refute it? Can you tell me I'm taking it out of context? Can you tell me I'm not using it properly? Can you tell me that I shouldn't be telling this person that how he thinks it's okay to live isn't okay by scriptural standards?
Really eh? Who is this "niteReloaded" person? I'll have to look for them later... And darling, you have no idea.
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On April 18 2007 09:08 bErAtEd- wrote:
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
You judge him based on your belief of the bible. God believes that there is no such thing as a lesser sin. Do not point out the flaws of others because there are 3 fingers pointing out the flaws of you.
The bible also says things about not lusting, but I'm sure you honor those commandments too, right?
edit: sorry for the choppiness, kind of pissed reading his comments
I judge him based on scripture, not my personal opinions that I've developed. Can you take what he said and how I compared his opinion to what I believe scriptural teaching and say that I took it out of context, or misunderstood it? Can you say that I was wrong in what I was doing? Obviously you would, but the difference between Matthew and Ephesians is that Matthew is speaking of judging someone because of what you think, whereas Ephesians is speaking of comparing the actions of a person to what the bible teaches, which is what I did. So yeah, Matthew is an interesting verse, but nothing close to what I did.
And as for what I do, if you want to bring that in then go ahead. But that really isn't the topic at hand is it? More of a meager attempt to get the focus off something else? And.. I really, really hate to break it to you. But no, I don't lust after anything.
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On April 18 2007 09:12 XelNaga wrote:
Hardly, being a Christian today is synonymous with hypocrisy a holier than thou attitude and not living what you teach.
sounds familiar
you, and so many like you, are missing the point entirely
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On April 18 2007 09:15 XelNaga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2007 09:08 bErAtEd- wrote:
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
You judge him based on your belief of the bible. God believes that there is no such thing as a lesser sin. Do not point out the flaws of others because there are 3 fingers pointing out the flaws of you.
The bible also says things about not lusting, but I'm sure you honor those commandments too, right?
edit: sorry for the choppiness, kind of pissed reading his comments I judge him based on scripture, not my personal opinions that I've developed. Can you take what he said and how I compared his opinion to what I believe scriptural teaching and say that I took it out of context, or misunderstood it? Can you say that I was wrong in what I was doing? Obviously you would, but the difference between Matthew and Ephesians is that Matthew is speaking of judging someone because of what you think, whereas Ephesians is speaking of comparing the actions of a person to what the bible teaches, which is what I did. So yeah, Matthew is an interesting verse, but nothing close to what I did. And as for what I do, if you want to bring that in then go ahead. But that really isn't the topic at hand is it? More of a meager attempt to get the focus off something else? And.. I really, really hate to break it to you. But no, I don't lust after anything.
You are completely full of shit. To say that you don't lust after anything is complete bullshit and refutes everything of human nature. I hope you enjoy lying to yourself.
And I never stated that what you did was wrong. I'm glad that you feel it necessary to promote the words of God, however I just think you should take more time to reflect on yourself and your own life instead of others
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On April 18 2007 09:15 lil.sis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2007 09:12 XelNaga wrote:
Hardly, being a Christian today is synonymous with hypocrisy a holier than thou attitude and not living what you teach. sounds familiar you, and so many like you, are missing the point entirely
Oh yes? And what's the "point" that I'm missing.
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On April 18 2007 09:17 bErAtEd- wrote:
You are completely full of shit. To say that you don't lust after anything is complete bullshit and refutes everything of human nature. I hope you enjoy lying to yourself
I'm sorry, I really don't. Human nature? I'm a new creation in God, I don't quite struggle with a lot of the things many other people do, it's called prayer, trust and reliance on God.
What you are doing now is judging me because of your personal opinion, have we forgotten Matthew so quickly?
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Sydney2287 Posts
On April 18 2007 09:15 XelNaga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2007 09:08 bErAtEd- wrote:
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
You judge him based on your belief of the bible. God believes that there is no such thing as a lesser sin. Do not point out the flaws of others because there are 3 fingers pointing out the flaws of you.
The bible also says things about not lusting, but I'm sure you honor those commandments too, right?
edit: sorry for the choppiness, kind of pissed reading his comments I judge him based on scripture, not my personal opinions that I've developed.
Actually you judged him based on your interpretation of the scripture. Which is a subjective thing.
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XelNaga, first of all, Christians sin, repent of their sins, and are forgiven.
Also, Christianity is a very broad label that encompasses many different sets of theological beliefs and doctrine. I can tell you with certainty that, in your exegesis, you have limited yourself to only one set. There are many different Christian ways of reading the verses you have quoted, though in your post you are implying that there is only one. Basically, you are making a semantic mistake with respect to the term 'Christian.'
As far as the original post goes, I think there is a difference between worldly happiness and spiritual happiness. I don't believe it's right to say that no happiness can come from the world if you "live for Christ." The world is naturally good; it is only humans who introduce evil into the world by sinning. Basically, a real Christian will not find ultimate happiness through sinful behavior -- he will be filled with guilt. But material pleasure can be a good and pure happiness for a Christian.
On a sidenote, Jesus didn't turn water into wine because there was no wine to begin with. The problem was that all the wine had already run out and Jesus wanted them to have more 
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edit wrong quote
I guess I was in the wrong as I no longer follow or practice Christianity because I became fed up with the hypocrisy that you mentioned.
And I never stated that what you did was wrong. I'm glad that you feel it necessary to promote the words of God, however I just think you should take more time to reflect on yourself and your own life instead of others
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the point you are missing:
that religion should be about loving, not judging
that the #1 message of Christianity should be loving others
not pointing out the flaws in other people
not making other people feel that they are small because they subscribe to a different moral code
not about telling the HEATHENS (muslims, buddhists, and jews, i'm talking about YOU!) that because of a technicality they are going to hell (you might lead a good life, be generous, humble, and kind to others but if you dont believe in jesus sux 2 be u!)
christianity today is a religion of fear and hate
i have a bible next to my bed and i read it when i need strength and comfort, and i believe in God and am generally a spiritual person. but will I ever attend one of your churches? no thanks. i'll have no part of it.
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Things you shouldn't talk about at dinner
1) Religion
2) Politics
Things you shouldn't talk about on forums
1) Religion
2) Politics
....see what i did there?
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On April 18 2007 09:26 Kennigit wrote:
Things you shouldn't talk about at dinner
1) Religion
2) Politics
Things you shouldn't talk about on forums
1) Religion
2) Politics
....see what i did there?
Extensive analysis that leads to insightful thinking and truth!
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i dont know why i let myself get so worked up
back to being apathetic forum troll
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but seriously this guy is an idiot
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in other news i am a wraith now
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On April 18 2007 09:20 rS.NonY wrote:
XelNaga, first of all, Christians sin, repent of their sins, and are forgiven.
Also, Christianity is a very broad label that encompasses many different sets of theological beliefs and doctrine. I can tell you with certainty that, in your exegesis, you have limited yourself to only one set. There are many different Christian ways of reading the verses you have quoted, though in your post you are implying that there is only one. Basically, you are making a semantic mistake with respect to the term 'Christian.'
Hmm! A good post, even using the word exegesis  And yes, if I'm going to argue my position then I'm going to argue what I believe to be true, in this case it would be the literal interpretation of scripture. My hermeneutical studies only reinforce my opinion on that. And in fact yes, I do believe there is only one way to interpret scripture. And while yes, you can interpret it however you like, and most people can twist it however they like, that doesn't mean they are right. So no, I won't disagree with you. I am comparing him to scripture based on my belief on how the bible should be interpreted and that a Christian should live according to what the bible teaches.
On April 18 2007 09:20 rS.NonY wrote:As far as the original post goes, I think there is a difference between worldly happiness and spiritual happiness. I don't believe it's right to say that no happiness can come from the world if you "live for Christ." The world is naturally good; it is only humans who introduce evil into the world by sinning. Basically, a real Christian will not find ultimate happiness through sinful behavior -- he will be filled with guilt. Material pleasure can be a good and pure happiness for a Christian.
I'm no trying to say that you can't get happiness out of the world. But I don't think that comes through drinking or having pre-marital sex. I've heard so many completely horrible stories on the lives some of my closest friends have had to live and I can't believe anyone would ever go through that day after day. Sure, you can have fun, but... I think the problem comes in when it starts going against scripture.
On April 18 2007 09:20 rS.NonY wrote:On a sidenote, Jesus didn't turn water into wine because there was no wine to begin with. The problem was that all the wine had already run out and Jesus wanted them to have more
Yes? I believe the lanauge I used in my original post was referring to being drunk, not drinking.
On April 18 2007 09:20 bErAtEd- wrote:
I guess I was in the wrong as I no longer follow or practice Christianity because I became fed up with the hypocrisy that you mentioned.
And I never stated that what you did was wrong. I'm glad that you feel it necessary to promote the words of God, however I just think you should take more time to reflect on yourself and your own life instead of others
Oh I definitely know what you're getting at, but as NonY said, we're all sinners. And if I'm to always look at myself and get my life right before I challenge the beliefs or opinions of another Christian whom I don't believe to be living to scriptural standards, then that's never going to happen. With all my failing and short comings, people (Christians) still need to have that authoritative voice in their life "You're doing this! Does it line up with scripture? And if not, why do you continue to do it?"
On April 18 2007 09:22 lil.sis wrote:
the point you are missing:
that religion should be about loving, not judging
Yes, and should I see what he believes, let him keep going down the path knowing it's wrong and then hide behind my belief that I shouldn't judge? It's all in 2 Timothy 3:16. It is out of love for him that I try to show him "hey! maybe you should re examine what you're living"
On April 18 2007 09:22 lil.sis wrote:
that the #1 message of Christianity should be loving others
not pointing out the flaws in other people
What does 2 Timothy 3:16 say? "good for correcting and rebuking?". Do we have a biblical contradiction, or simply a lack of understanding? Seriously, which is it? Yes, as Christians we are supposed to love everyone, but not in the face of letting another Christian go to Hell in a hand basket because we were too worried about offending him because he wasn't living right and we didn't want to bring it up.
On April 18 2007 09:22 lil.sis wrote:
not making other people feel that they are small because they subscribe to a different moral codes
Christianity..
Bible.. Scripture.. Christ...
That should be the moral code they are to live by if they call themselves Christian, there's no way around that.
On April 18 2007 09:22 lil.sis wrote:
not about telling the HEATHENS (muslims, buddhists, and jews, i'm talking about YOU!) that because of a technicality they are going to hell (you might lead a good life, be generous, humble, and kind to others but if you dont believe in jesus sux 2 be u!)
Yeah, something just about every religion teaches.
On April 18 2007 09:22 lil.sis wrote:
christianity today is a religion of fear and hate
i have a bible next to my bed and i read it when i need strength and comfort, and i believe in God and am generally a spiritual person. but will I ever attend one of your churches? no thanks. i'll have no part of it.
Really?
Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
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