i'm not talking about christans interacting with other christians

im talking about christians treating everyone like shit

"Yeah, something just about every religion teaches."

Hey just because I'm an asshole it's ok for you to be one too then I guess huh?

Quickly pull out the study bible! If your retort doesn't have a quote from the scripture to back it up then I am afraid I can't take it seriously!!

MaxdigsSoda

Sweden304 Posts

April 18 2007 00:41 GMT

#42

Those christians didnt pray enough, just look what happend cause of that: The Virginia Tech massacre.

XelNaga

162 Posts

April 18 2007 00:44 GMT

#43

On April 18 2007 09:38 lil.sis wrote:
i'm not talking about christans interacting with other christians

im talking about christians treating everyone like shit

"Yeah, something just about every religion teaches."

Hey just because I'm an asshole it's ok for you to be one too then I guess huh?

Quickly pull out the study bible! If your retort doesn't have a quote from the scripture to back it up then I am afraid I can't take it seriously!!

Christians treating everyone like shit? As I recall my post was original directed at (whoever his name) was. It was a few other people who decided to get involved, and when I did legitimately back up what I said with scripture, everyone jumped on me for being judgmental; so don't talk to me about how Christians treat everyone like shit when you, and just about everyone else is the same way. Do I think I treated him like shit? No, probably could have said what I said better, but it's too late for that.

Does Islam not teach that if you don't believe in Allah you won't enter paradise? Judaism, is that not the same way? Do you see what I'm getting at? I wasn't trying to be an ass, but if you're going to point that out with Christianity, then you should also realize that Christianity isn't the only religion like that. Christianity is however, the only religion which teaches that nothing we can do can save us, it's only through God's grace.

Seriously, why are you still going if the only thing you can do is resort to meager insults?

Smurg

Australia3818 Posts

April 18 2007 00:48 GMT

#44

I wonder what colour Jesus's favourite sandals were.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36372 Posts

April 18 2007 00:48 GMT

#45

On April 18 2007 09:44 XelNaga wrote:
Does Islam not teach that if you don't believe in Allah you won't enter paradise? Judaism, is that not the same way? Do you see what I'm getting at? I wasn't trying to be an ass, but if you're going to point that out with Christianity, then you should also realize that Christianity isn't the only religion like that. Christianity is however, the only religion which teaches that nothing we can do can save us, it's only through God's grace.

wait so... if Islam does it, we can too?

bine

United States2352 Posts

April 18 2007 00:49 GMT

#46

XelNaga, you're just acting smug and people are not into it. The main problem with your posting for me is that you're trying to use logical argument from a completely illogical base. You're expecting people to be rational to an extent while you're relying on a completely staggering (though granted, not uncommon) assumption about the truth value of a collection of writings by people from hundreds of years ago. If you want to be a good Christian, there's no point in arguing or being hostile or acting superior. Your goal is to evangelize everyone, and this isn't a super effective way to do so.

Smurg

Australia3818 Posts

April 18 2007 00:50 GMT

#47

What if you didn't want to go to heaven or hell?

nuclear_scarab

United States43 Posts

April 18 2007 00:52 GMT

#48

Wow, I'm kind of new hear, mostly came for the strats, but this looks like quite the heated discussion.

Something that is interesting to point out is the fact that although XelNaga seems to be saying stuff right out of the Bible, and its meaning is clear, everyone hates it. I too hate it, and really dislike organized religion, not because of what teachings they necessarily have but how they seem to often condemn others.

So you hate organized religion? So did Jesus, in fact Jesus called the religious teachers of His time "brood of vipers". Strangly at the same time He told his disciples to "do as they say but not as they do".

The thing about organized religion is that many times it seems people are hypocrites. Certainly they were when Jesus teached us how to live. But that doesn't mean that everything the Bible said is untrue, or that we should ignore it because it makes us feel uncomfortable.

Laws of scripture are hear to condemn us, but Jesus came to set us free from sin because he loves us.

Does this mean we continue in sin so that grace may abound? NO! Christians are to do their BEST to follow God, and when they do they will discover that all their suffering was not worth being compared to the treasures waiting in heaven.

berated-

United States1134 Posts

April 18 2007 00:53 GMT

#49

On April 18 2007 09:50 Smurg wrote:
What if you didn't want to go to heaven or hell?

Petition?

And I'm pretty sure I read that Jesus' favorite color of sandals were purple

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

April 18 2007 00:54 GMT

#50

well of course this is true, wth the kingdom of god is in you stuff. i mean christianity is a pretty revolutionary thing. but going further will just be a debate of what to call people etc.

XelNaga

162 Posts

April 18 2007 00:55 GMT

#51

On April 18 2007 09:48 Hot_Bid wrote:

wait so... if Islam does it, we can too?

If you're going to point it out for one thing, point it out for everything; that was the idea.

On April 18 2007 09:49 bine wrote:
XelNaga, you're just acting smug and people are not into it. The main problem with your posting for me is that you're trying to use logical argument from a completely illogical base. You're expecting people to be rational to an extent while you're relying on a completely staggering (though granted, not uncommon) assumption about the truth value of a collection of writings by people from hundreds of years ago. If you want to be a good Christian, there's no point in arguing or being hostile or acting superior. Your goal is to evangelize everyone, and this isn't a super effective way to do so.

I think that since this is a conversation about Christianity... Arguing from that viewpoint isn't so far off base? I mean, I definitely understand what you're getting at.. But considering this is a Christianity thread? Eh, you gotta wonder why I shouldn't debate the bible? Does it's teachings really have that many contradictions and holes in it? Really, if I can be rational in my side of the argument, why shouldn't I expect them to be? I'm arguing from scripture to support my belief and opinion and they are... Sorta just sitting there trying to insult me? Really, prove to me one verse wrong in the bible and I'll consider the entire thing a lie. Until then, I'll consider it truth, and I'll argue from it, and people should be mature about it and realize that they should have at least enough knowledge in their beliefs to argue against it.

MoltkeWarding

5195 Posts

April 18 2007 00:55 GMT

#52

I don't see Xelnaga as acting smug at all. On the other hand, maybe some of us would benefit from a re-evaluation of what the bible says rather than what we imagine it to say.

It is possible for an atheist to take a texual criticism/interpretation of the bible without hostility.

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

April 18 2007 00:56 GMT

#53

Lil sis's sister must have been raped by hardcore Christian or something. Chill the fuck out dude

berated-

United States1134 Posts

April 18 2007 00:57 GMT

#54

On April 18 2007 09:55 MoltkeWarding wrote:
I don't see Xelnaga as acting smug at all. On the other hand, maybe some of us would benefit from a re-evaluation of what the bible says rather than what we imagine it to say.

Agreed. From all of my experience with religion people say that there are different interpretations to the bible. I can't prove this with scripture, but I think that its only supposed to be read one way, not many.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36372 Posts

April 18 2007 00:58 GMT

#55

On April 18 2007 09:56 1tym wrote:
Lil sis's sister must have been raped by hardcore Christian or something. Chill the fuck out dude

i mean obviously that's what is behind all this, clearly his sister must've been raped by a christian!

just read between the lines