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bine
United States2352 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On April 12 2007 21:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: it's absolutely dismissable stuff like this is common sense among civilized folk and anyone who doesn't fit that profile is gone. its his problem if he doesn't have that common sense, regardless of which side of the fence he's on you seem like a decent guy but you have no idea what you're talking about  claiming that agreeing with you is common sense is just as insubstantial as claiming that context makes everything subjective. If you have an opinion, formulate it and offer it to us. I have as much common sense as any of us, and I have thought about, researched, spoken about and written about these issues a fair amount. It might be my problem and it might not. One thing's for sure, it's not your problem because you can just jerk off and forget about it. You might not give a fuck, but it still sucks for a whole lot of people whether you take them seriously as a people or not. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia12794 Posts
Stop being a bleeding heart. This isn't racism per se, it's just people making (poor in some cases) jokes. They aren't trying to offend black people or prove their white supremacy. When I watch Dave Chapelle rip on white people, I laugh. It's funny. Sure he's picking on my race and making a joke about it, but you have to take things in the context they are presented to you. Take a chill pill and relax. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 12 2007 22:22 RowdierBob wrote: When I watch Dave Chapelle rip on white people, I laugh. It's funny. Sure he's picking on my race and making a joke about it, but you have to take things in the context they are presented to you. Yet others might not think the same way when the roles are reversed and you have a couple hundred years of history against you. Maybe that's actually a legitimate position to take, and that given that you have no experience living as a minority you probably ought to defer and not respond to every accusation of racism with "just chill out man"? | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 12 2007 21:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: it's absolutely dismissable stuff like this is common sense among civilized folk and anyone who doesn't fit that profile is gone. its his problem if he doesn't have that common sense, regardless of which side of the fence he's on Honestly, we haven't magically cured racism in this country, contrary to popular belief. Subconscious biases and prejudices lead to things like otherwise identical resumes getting 50% more callbacks when they are from "Greg" instead of "Kareem", despite those very same employers saying they need more qualified minorities and are "aggressively seeking diversity". It's not even conscious racism, they're explicitly trying to recruit more minorities, but prejudices and biases continue to betray them. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On April 12 2007 19:40 bine wrote: Maybe where you are people recognize you visibly as Serbian, but at least everywhere that I've lived, even ethnically "clear" light-skinned people don't have to deal with their ethnicity every day unless they want to, because no one can tell who they are. True to an extent, until they hear my last name.  There's still a large degree of visibility due to that.In anycase I see your point. I realize my comment pertained to a side arguement and not what you're talking about specifically. In terms of the main arguement here I would say that there is a line that needs to be understood. I am personally very unsympathetic to people who lack a thick skin for insults/off hand comments, etc. However, there is obviously a point where people's behavior goes too far. I avoided that thread because I saw it going in that direction. However, I feel we are pretty good around here in general, without any more policing than we already have. (Which is pretty hardcore compared to most other online forums) | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 12 2007 22:55 GrandInquisitor wrote: Honestly, we haven't magically cured racism in this country, contrary to popular belief. Subconscious biases and prejudices lead to things like otherwise identical resumes getting 50% more callbacks when they are from "Greg" instead of "Kareem", despite those very same employers saying they need more qualified minorities and are "aggressively seeking diversity". It's not even conscious racism, they're explicitly trying to recruit more minorities, but prejudices and biases continue to betray them. there are a lot of uncivilized folk | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Anyone care to give context to this thread again? Personally it's starting to sound like nothing but a bunch of whining, my posts included. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27093 Posts
On April 12 2007 16:30 bine wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=12&topic_id=51811 This is a terrible embarrassment for our community. An intense conversation in which many people were profoundly ignorant but still within the realm of tolerable evolved into childish spewing of hateful language for the sake of showing how manly teenagers can be on the internet. I think tl.net needs to clarify its position on inflammatory hate speech, especially when a precedent has been set as far as banning people for inappropriate and disgusting posts. I think it's important to be consistent, not just banning people for some disgusting things while chuckling in response to others. When a member of the staff repeatedly uses the N word and claims that it might be legitimate to "hate all black girls" because they have "loud, shreeky voices", participating in the same bullshit macho racist crap as the wayward children, there's a problem that needs to be addressed. Just because a lot of young white men think it's funny doesn't mean that racism and vulgar prejudice should be tolerated. Please, someone clarify tl.net's position on this and please, start enforcing it. You take this place way too fucking seriously. When I start seeing a paycheque, you will start seeing sensitivity commitees on posting behaviour. While I dont agree with everything posted in that thread, it was hardly an "embarassment on our community". If you take offense to it, I suggest you stay out of the general section and stick to starcraft. I also suggest you do not make threads with titles that insinuate 25k members are racist. See, I did that whole thing without calling you a faggot too. We are tolerant. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32263 Posts
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On April 13 2007 00:41 Manifesto7 wrote: You take this place way too fucking seriously. When I start seeing a paycheque, you will start seeing sensitivity commitees on posting behaviour. While I dont agree with everything posted in that thread, it was hardly an "embarassment on our community". If you take offense to it, I suggest you stay out of the general section and stick to starcraft. I also suggest you do not make threads with titles that insinuate 25k members are racist. See, I did that whole thing without calling you a faggot too. We are tolerant. This is a major disappointment, willingly missing the point and ignoring something that's pretty much required of any hope to be consistent as moderators. No one ever calls me a faggot here, that's not the point. It's not an embarrassment because I take offense. It's an embarrassment because the mod staff alternates so frivolously between hyper-intense-serious-righteous-moral face, macho-ban-cause-i'm-drunk face, and whatever-i'm-too-cool-to-care face, and the result is an a situation where only groups that are around to defend themselves get any sort of just treatment. I care about team liquid, because I spend a lot of time here. I care about team liquid people being racist because they are real people, and their attitudes are doing real harm to real people. I've never bought this "shut up, it's not that serious" bullshit my entire life, and I'm certainly not going to start now. This is a perfectly valid piece of "feedback," and I'm making an effort to handle it articulately and resolutely, and though I'm largely on the defensive against just about every badass personality in the entire community, I have faith that there are reasonable people that support some of the things I'm saying and are just too intimidated by the powers that be apparently being grumpy about this issue today. I have to go, but maybe when I get back I'll be less dejected and say something more. And I'm not accusing anyone of being racist. Again, it's not a subjective term. edit: I misread part of the quoted post. The thread title doesn't imply that I think everyone on tl.net is a racist. Though it may be too strong, it implies that the site as an organization is permitting conditions that make the site hostile to minorities, which I believe it sometimes is, as in the thread in question. Some black people would feel quite unwelcome reading some of the posts in that thread. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
I think we have to ask ourselves what do we lose from disallowing overt racism? Are anyone's "omg what a NIGGA" jokes funny? What positive reason do we have to keep such comments here when they effectively make our site inaccessible to to black people and, in the end, most educated adults? It's not racism that makes our site inaccessible to black people, but the lack of internet access in Africa. In seriousness, I agree that such expressions are unfunny, but that is because they are uninteresting, and contain no conviction or thought. A racist with a theoretical approach, that is to say, a real racist might give better contributions. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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