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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 10 2007 17:55 ~AreS] wrote: I could make a joke about how the government should DIAF, but that doesn't make me an anarchist. How exactly does that relate? | ||
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
I'm not about to argue with someone who fails to understand something so simple. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On April 10 2007 17:57 fusionsdf wrote: Oh. So as long as we dont use the word nigger, we aren't being racist? How enlightened. no of course not, I could be the typical hillbilly from the souf and talk shit about bananna peeling hands and them taking our white women, that would be racist. The context, tone, and who its coming from determines if its racist or not imo. Do I think black commedians are racist when they make fun of hispanics? or white people? Or asian people? No, at least I have no indication they are racist just from their jokes, id have to know them in person etc. They are just making jokes... thats all they are. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On April 10 2007 17:51 Sadist wrote: racial jokes are not racist, they are simply racial jokes. Denying someone service because they are black or calling someone a nigger is racist, not what imas did, please, the way you are acting is typical of the problem of big ass overreaction in todays culture (especially in america) . Watch any comedian and youll hear shit way worse than what Imas said. well i strongly disagree with you and your outlook on this issue. i agree that there is a general trend towards overreaction and overly-PC stuff, but this a very clear cut case and there's definitely no ambiguity there. and saying racial jokes "aren't racist, they are just jokes!" is probably the most ignorant statement i've ever heard. i knew i shouldn't have bothered with this thread and i won't post any further. whatever. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
Imus has made a living being a loud-mouthed, controversial grump. While his comments were incredibly inappropriate, I think MSNBC and CBS were out of line taking him off the air. It sends a bad message, encouraging self-censorship and the idea that free speech can be herded and influenced by corporate interest or political pressure. While it would be naive to suggest that this isn't already true to a measure, such an overt gesture denigrates the idea of the freedom of the press, as tasteless or offensive as it may sometimes be. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On April 10 2007 18:00 Hot_Bid wrote: well i strongly disagree with you and your outlook on this issue. i agree that there is a general trend towards overreaction and overly-PC stuff, but this a very clear cut case and there's definitely no ambiguity there. and saying racial jokes "aren't racist, they are just jokes!" is probably the most ignorant statement i've ever heard. i knew i shouldn't have bothered with this thread and i won't post any further. whatever. ok being a racist needs to be defined here because people throw around the word way too loosely. Stereotypes are not racist imo, its the prejudice you have for a person that is what racism is, racial jokes are based on stereotypes not on prejudices (in most cases) | ||
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rS.NonY
United States286 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12261 Posts
Of course this was before I saw the picture of the Rutgers team on Drudge and saw they were all black. Not that the term has any different meaning. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 10 2007 17:59 ~AreS] wrote: I'm not about to argue with someone who fails to understand something so simple. Spoiler: They don't. | ||
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
On April 10 2007 18:15 fusionsdf wrote: Spoiler: They don't. I would reiterate, but I feel it would be lost on you. So, for your sake, I'll explain it with points. Let's assume that I already made my anti-government joke, and he already made his "racist" joke. 1. He said what he did in jest. I said what I said in jest. 2. What he said sounded racist. What I said sounds like anarchy. 3. IT'S A FUCKING JOKE! "" | ||
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Tadzio
3340 Posts
On April 10 2007 18:04 Sadist wrote: ok being a racist needs to be defined here because people throw around the word way too loosely. Stereotypes are not racist imo, its the prejudice you have for a person that is what racism is, racial jokes are based on stereotypes not on prejudices (in most cases) Just grab a dictionary, the people you're arguing against are using it correctly. Look up racism, then discrimination, then stereotype and prejudice. You're making unnecessary and apparently idiosyncratic distinctions between these words and they're practically synonyms. | ||
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Detonate
Iceland578 Posts
the only thing it is is sexist and it should be left to the people that air him to decide whether a sexist comment like that should be censored or not. but taking him off the air just for that? lolcopter. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On April 10 2007 18:21 Tadzio00 wrote: Just grab a dictionary, the people you're arguing against are using it correctly. Look up racism, then discrimination, then stereotype and prejudice. You're making unnecessary and apparently idiosyncratic distinctions between these words and they're practically synonyms. the dictionary definition does not take into account the changing time period seriously. Racial and Racist are 2 different things in my book and thats from experience. Obviously people cant just pick definitions to words they want and claim them as fact and tahts fine, if you want to stick to the anal dictionary definition go for it. But im talking strictly from experience here, and to me and most people I know and have come in contact with theres a BIG difference between racial and racist and jokes and actually being racist. And these people come from all walks of life. | ||
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
The problem here is that racism is such a big deal to a lot of people that we have to be so careful in what we say to make sure we don't offend someone. If I refer to someone as being black when I'm pointing them out, I'm not being racist. If something of mine was stolen, and I was asked by a friend what he looks like, I'm not going to say "African American" or "a dark skinned man." I'll say he's black. This case is obviously different, but I'm back to my point of people being uptight. He was making a joke and it's pretty damn clear. Yeah, a joke. That's all. There are plenty of jokes with racist pretenses that are told by people who AREN'T racist. Hell, I've told a "racist" joke before. He'll, I've told some to black people. Am I racist? No. A black guy calls another guy a "nigga", the word is obviously related to a word that is considered racist. Does this guy hate black people? No. There are some times when you can say things that appear racist, but they aren't always so. This is one of those times. Am I saying what he did was right? No. But would I call him a racist because of it? Not a chance. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 10 2007 18:17 ~AreS] wrote: I would reiterate, but I feel it would be lost on you. So, for your sake, I'll explain it with points. Let's assume that I already made my anti-government joke, and he already made his "racist" joke. 1. He said what he did in jest. I said what I said in jest. 2. What he said sounded racist. What I said sounds like anarchy. 3. IT'S A FUCKING JOKE! "" They dont relate, because anarchy concerns state form, while racism concerns oppression. It is okay for a public figure to joke and make an anarchist comment. It is not okay for a public figure to joke and say he is going to kill the president. It is also not okay for a public figure to joke and make a racist statement. anarchist jokes != racist jokes | ||
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
Now if you really want to argue that racist jokes are harmless, I suggest you just stop and reexamine it. The answer should pop up eventually. I didn't say they're harmless, I said what he said wasn't racist. If people take it as if it is, then that's their own fault. Take the politically correct foot out of your ass. | ||
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Detonate
Iceland578 Posts
"have a good day" at the end of your post. T_Twtf | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
I really do hope you have a good day though | ||
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bburn
United States1039 Posts
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Tadzio
3340 Posts
Why you guys (Ares and Sadist) are expending such effort to defend a man that has readily admitted guilt and accepted punishment is beyond me. Ares, there's nothing wrong with calling a black person black... straw men and all that jazz. And Sadist, playing games with semantics to trick people into agreeing with you is a really low rhetorical duplicity. If you think it's necessary to invent new meanings for all the words you use, knock yourself out, but don't expect people to understand what you're saying. | ||
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