[Poll] Foreigner Fish Clan/Fam - Page 2

KameZerg

Sweden1778 Posts

January 01 2017 12:05 GMT

#21

On January 01 2017 20:30 trutaCz wrote:
I think it's the right place to mention that in the ratio 75-25, players in fish server treat a foreigner like a piece of ***.

On the other hand ive had bad experiences too

nomimono43

3 Posts

January 01 2017 12:46 GMT

#22

i'd be really interested in this, and learning some korean too. is there any resources that have some basic or common korean terms pertaining to starcraft that anyone might know about?

notgayDragon

142 Posts

January 01 2017 13:54 GMT

#23

Jealous is right and so was the Canadian guy, like ten words and you've covered Fish. Lear TEN fucking words and you'll receive tons of respect and praise.

GeckoXp

Germany2016 Posts

January 01 2017 14:03 GMT

#24

On January 01 2017 20:47 Jealous wrote:

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On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:

On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:

On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:

On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:

On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:

On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.

However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors.

I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this.

Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody.

oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this

Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever.

This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse.

Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums.

It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now.

I feel like you've addressed your own concerns here.

Bolding random sentences do not change the things I wrote. If I understood the basic messages about the Korean limitation, please do correct me.

e: don't get me wrong OP, I think your effort is nice and I don't hate it. The notion was about the server's general stance, not about you.

nomimono43

3 Posts

January 01 2017 18:38 GMT

#25

On January 01 2017 22:54 notgayDragon wrote:
Jealous is right and so was the Canadian guy, like ten words and you've covered Fish. Lear TEN fucking words and you'll receive tons of respect and praise.

i see, after a bit of research it does look quite easy. there's pretty much no excuse not to. thanks.

WGT-Baal

France3577 Posts

January 01 2017 18:56 GMT

#26

On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:

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It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now.

but it also creates additional requirements. For instance WGT had a whole translating section to handle complaints and technical support: it takes time and "staff" (albeit volunteers) to run it and I can understand why they wouldnt want to do it on Fish.

GeckoXp

Germany2016 Posts

January 01 2017 19:08 GMT

#27

On January 02 2017 03:56 WGT-Baal wrote:

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On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:

On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:

On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:

On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:

On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:

oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this

It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now.

Sure, and this wasn't the main point of the complain. There's no need for them to add any English registry or support for ladder issues, if they don't want to or don't have the resources. Really, I can understand both. What I don't get is how non-Koreans would mess up the entire ladder - actual games between two persons playing the game - by simply not knowing the language. The worst part would be lag, but as said, you can still filter for IPs as player.

However, right now FISH makes any non-native do near impossible things and I find that extremely sad. For one, you have to get a phone number (which I find troubling in itself), then you have to read instructions on third party pages (not their fault, see above) and now you have to not only understand the bare minimum of a language (which is again some time investment, as there's no instruction yet), but also need to get the character set installed on your machine for a game that probably is already hard to set up on modern operating systems.

wishbonesaka

Canada117 Posts

January 01 2017 19:31 GMT

#28

so is a Fam clan, short term for family? Meaning a lounge spot to get games between ourselves?

ruypture

United States367 Posts

January 02 2017 07:48 GMT

#29

On January 02 2017 04:31 wishbonesaka wrote:
so is a Fam clan, short term for family? Meaning a lounge spot to get games between ourselves?

essentially, yeah

B-royal

Belgium1330 Posts

January 02 2017 14:36 GMT

#30

Restricting a server to Korean only is not the same as restricting a website to English only. One is an "obscure" language spoken by about 70 million people worldwide, the other is known as one of the official world languages spoken by at least 510 million people worldwide (http://www.vistawide.com/languages/top_30_languages.htm).

Just wanted to share my point of view about this specifically as I personally do not care about their policy to exclude people that are not willing to learn Korean. I did start learning Korean specifically so I could chat in Korean and maybe some day understand the Korean vods.

iFU.pauline

France1781 Posts

January 02 2017 16:49 GMT

#31

I say don't learn Korean so you don't have to understand their bullshit when they bm you.

Siz)Beggar

United States339 Posts

January 02 2017 18:31 GMT

#32

all that matters is if you're good they will respect your skill i've played west with koreans brain serve and now fish and been in numerous korean clans and have had not a single issue

notgayDragon

142 Posts

January 03 2017 01:50 GMT

#33

Being good or speaking even two words of Korean is how you succeed in Fish, or you'll end up like Pauline and hated by everyone, nothing but free ladder points.

lagcats

172 Posts

January 03 2017 02:51 GMT

#34

Something like this might get me back to BW, because laddering on ICCUP is such a waste of time imo. The heavy competition is on fish server and thats where we need a home for foreignahs. Nice idea also if you manage to establish a good amount of people i might join it.

Jealous

10415 Posts

January 03 2017 05:00 GMT

#35

Just want to let everyone know, in case they missed the other thread, that you no longer need phone verification for a ladder account on Fish.

Apparently, according to that thread, you now need 72 hours and 30 melee games (not necessarily wins) in order to ladder.

This should be a great thing for the fam and for foreigners!

werdbw

1 Post

January 04 2017 01:10 GMT

#36

I'd like to join but I'd need some help learning the Korean needed to play on fish exclusively

ID :werd

notgayDragon

142 Posts

January 04 2017 15:48 GMT

#37

This is a decent investment, now pick a name. I've added a channel name poll to the main post.

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Poll: Fam/Channel Name

4N (Foreign) (24)

86%

05 (05 = 영오 = sounds like 영어, Korean for "English") (2)

7%

FBI (Foreign Brood War Initiative, named after the Discord) (1)

4%

ESC (English StarCraft) (1)

4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Fam/Channel Name

(Vote): 4N (Foreign)
(Vote): 05 (05 = 영오 = sounds like 영어, Korean for "English")
(Vote): FBI (Foreign Brood War Initiative, named after the Discord)
(Vote): ESC (English StarCraft)