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UPDATE: NOW OPEN, GIVE YOUR FISH NAME AND I WILL ADD YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
You do NOT need to be online for me to add you, I only need your ID.
/c list to see your current clan list, there will be a number beside every clan. If you're not in one, this will be Clan 1.
/c set # ("#" being the number beside the clan) to set a specific clan as your default.
/c m to message everybody online in the clan, it will show like this:
<From: nS.euphOria> <4N> This is my first message, hello!
Hello! I am nS.euphOria on Fish Server. After much talk and many points I have decided to invest in a channel and clan system starting at 200 maximum members, if there's enough demand for it.
1. No laggers. If you lag, you're not in. I'm sorry but this is for the best.
2. You will not have to make a new ID. I understand stacking your first 20 or so games on Fish can be tough because Koreans kick blank accounts with foreign IP addresses, and some of us are already in clans. Not worth giving up an established clan for some English, right?
3. English and Korean only. I know not everybody speaks Korean, but it's Fish Server. I'll do my best to keep it minimal.
4. This will be a fam style clan, meaning we will not participate in Fish tournaments.
5. Assistance and support is always welcome, but that's not what the clan is about. If you're going to join exclusively for questions then leave, don't bother joining.
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Would there be any organized method for acquiring ladder access? Right now it's all about connections and who you know in Korea as far as getting a ladder-compatible account. If this team offered some sort of service where we can connect with others and get this, I think it would be amazing. Not everyone has the knowledge of Korean/connections to make Fish viable, but if you attracted some people that could do this, I feel like foreigners would be much more likely to join in.
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Im down. Thank you for thinking about us :D
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On January 01 2017 11:17 Jealous wrote:
Would there be any organized method for acquiring ladder access? Right now it's all about connections and who you know in Korea as far as getting a ladder-compatible account. If this team offered some sort of service where we can connect with others and get this, I think it would be amazing. Not everyone has the knowledge of Korean/connections to make Fish viable, but if you attracted some people that could do this, I feel like foreigners would be much more likely to join in.
I'd be down for it, although this clan/fam (haven't decided) would be more for /c m commands than anything else. For people to discuss StarCraft and other things in English while doing their normal thing on Fish.
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Not to bump this or anything but votes here are pretty important, I have four days to decide this and if the poll keeps going this way I will disregard the idea.
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I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors.
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Am I allowed to join? This sounds fun. I am Ty2[3.33].
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On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors.
I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this.
Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody.
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Oh and thirdeye sorry about BestLeVel, he's a fucking jerk. I told him specifically not to ban you and he did anyway, I apologize on behalf of my clan's idiot moderator.
He's a temporary replacement.
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On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody.
oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this
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On January 01 2017 11:53 notgayDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 11:17 Jealous wrote:
Would there be any organized method for acquiring ladder access? Right now it's all about connections and who you know in Korea as far as getting a ladder-compatible account. If this team offered some sort of service where we can connect with others and get this, I think it would be amazing. Not everyone has the knowledge of Korean/connections to make Fish viable, but if you attracted some people that could do this, I feel like foreigners would be much more likely to join in. I'd be down for it, although this clan/fam (haven't decided) would be more for /c m commands than anything else. For people to discuss StarCraft and other things in English while doing their normal thing on Fish.
Oh, I'm sorry! Misunderstood. I'd definitely be interested.
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On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this
Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever.
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it's still incredibly idiotic and racist
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On January 01 2017 18:15 GeckoXp wrote:
it's still incredibly idiotic and racist
I feel like we've had this conversation before so I'll just readress my statements as before:
1) It's their server.
2) When they say "you make it hard for everybody," it means:
a) For Koreans. 95%+ of the server, because they have no way of communicating with you.
b) For foreigners like yourself, 5+% of the server, because you are looked down upon for not caring about understanding the server's preferred language.
It's like arriving in Germany, going to the place of their local low-level sporting organization, saying "당신과 당신의 선거구의 99.5 %는 당신의 관습에 따라 비 게르만 민족의 나머지 부분을 향해있는 것이 아니라," throwing your glove on the ground, walking out, and saying "look @ deez racists not du shit."
+ Show Spoiler +google translate: "You and the 99.5% of your constituency are not being just towards the rest of the non-Germanic peoples with your practices, this is just a test to everyone who has to check both because they are learning Korean for Fish pls."
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On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever.
This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse.
Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums.
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On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever. This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse. Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums.
QFT. Wow.
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On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever. This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse. Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums.
It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now.
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I agree, It's not that hard to learn korean sufficient for fish usage
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I think it's the right place to mention that in the ratio 75-25, players in fish server treat a foreigner like a piece of ***.
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On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever. This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse. Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums. It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now.
I feel like you've addressed your own concerns here.
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On January 01 2017 20:30 trutaCz wrote:
I think it's the right place to mention that in the ratio 75-25, players in fish server treat a foreigner like a piece of ***.
On the other hand ive had bad experiences too 
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i'd be really interested in this, and learning some korean too. is there any resources that have some basic or common korean terms pertaining to starcraft that anyone might know about?
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Jealous is right and so was the Canadian guy, like ten words and you've covered Fish. Lear TEN fucking words and you'll receive tons of respect and praise.
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On January 01 2017 20:47 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever. This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse. Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums. It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now. I feel like you've addressed your own concerns here.
Bolding random sentences do not change the things I wrote. If I understood the basic messages about the Korean limitation, please do correct me.
e: don't get me wrong OP, I think your effort is nice and I don't hate it. The notion was about the server's general stance, not about you.
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On January 01 2017 22:54 notgayDragon wrote:
Jealous is right and so was the Canadian guy, like ten words and you've covered Fish. Lear TEN fucking words and you'll receive tons of respect and praise.
i see, after a bit of research it does look quite easy. there's pretty much no excuse not to. thanks.
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On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever. This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse. Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums. It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now.
but it also creates additional requirements. For instance WGT had a whole translating section to handle complaints and technical support: it takes time and "staff" (albeit volunteers) to run it and I can understand why they wouldnt want to do it on Fish.
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On January 02 2017 03:56 WGT-Baal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2017 19:42 GeckoXp wrote:On January 01 2017 18:40 ZeroChrome wrote:On January 01 2017 18:03 Jealous wrote:On January 01 2017 17:12 art_of_turtle wrote:On January 01 2017 15:55 notgayDragon wrote:On January 01 2017 15:39 Th1rdEye wrote:
I would be down to hang around. I am thirdeYe[3.33] on Fish.
However, I've been warned that foreignors aren't 100% welcome on Fish and they would probably question if we all had korean phone number accounts. I heard there was a crackdown on people selling ladder access at one point to foreignors. I won't be selling numbers, there will be no system for this. Foreigners are welcome, I'll have to translate the admin response to foreign complaints later, but to TLDR "Foreigners are more than welcome if they learn Korean. 1v1 does not mean you can get by without knowing Korean, you make it hard for everybody. oh gotta learn korean. I am absolutely for this Korean is by far one of the easiest languages. phonetically, to pick up. It is not much of a difficulty to grasp the string of symbols, even if they are no more than that to you, that mean "cho bo" or "ur bad" or whatever. This. Also I've played 1k+ games on Fish and can safely say that about 10-12 phrases will cover 95% of the instances that you need to speak Korean. Anybody can learn that much in a day so there's no excuse. Also fucking lmao @ getting pissed off over Fish being a Korean language only server while posting on a website that explicitly states that English is the only language allowed on the forums. It does not really piss me off, I never wanted to use the server. I do get that the main language is Korean and that they enforce using it when it comes to administrative things, e.g. reporting discs, hackers and whatnot. I'd be completely fine as player/user with this policy. Might be that's all to it, but for now, all I heard that the language is a must right off the bat, which I deem idiotic, as it prevents a ton of potentially positive projects, e.g. having the international community getting translators themselves. Actually playing games on a ladder does not require any fluency or understanding of Korean, so I really don't get the isolation-policy. In the past multi-language systems worked fine for servers/ladders as shown by WGT/PGT/ICCup pre 2010, for which the biggest barrier was the registration without personal data. The majority of players does not chat for ladder, or ever causes problems due to not speaking a language. You can basically exclude any user from the lobby if you think there'd be lag, especially if you see their IP. Therefore the forum comparison does lack substance, not to mention the reductio ad absurdum about the airport. Eventually it boils down to the "it's their server" argument, which also is fine. But it's also fine to have the opinion that their policy is an idiotic luxury, which is only affordable, because they have a somewhat solid player base for now. but it also creates additional requirements. For instance WGT had a whole translating section to handle complaints and technical support: it takes time and "staff" (albeit volunteers) to run it and I can understand why they wouldnt want to do it on Fish.
Sure, and this wasn't the main point of the complain. There's no need for them to add any English registry or support for ladder issues, if they don't want to or don't have the resources. Really, I can understand both. What I don't get is how non-Koreans would mess up the entire ladder - actual games between two persons playing the game - by simply not knowing the language. The worst part would be lag, but as said, you can still filter for IPs as player.
However, right now FISH makes any non-native do near impossible things and I find that extremely sad. For one, you have to get a phone number (which I find troubling in itself), then you have to read instructions on third party pages (not their fault, see above) and now you have to not only understand the bare minimum of a language (which is again some time investment, as there's no instruction yet), but also need to get the character set installed on your machine for a game that probably is already hard to set up on modern operating systems.
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so is a Fam clan, short term for family? Meaning a lounge spot to get games between ourselves?
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On January 02 2017 04:31 wishbonesaka wrote:
so is a Fam clan, short term for family? Meaning a lounge spot to get games between ourselves?
essentially, yeah
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Restricting a server to Korean only is not the same as restricting a website to English only. One is an "obscure" language spoken by about 70 million people worldwide, the other is known as one of the official world languages spoken by at least 510 million people worldwide (http://www.vistawide.com/languages/top_30_languages.htm).
Just wanted to share my point of view about this specifically as I personally do not care about their policy to exclude people that are not willing to learn Korean. I did start learning Korean specifically so I could chat in Korean and maybe some day understand the Korean vods.
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I say don't learn Korean so you don't have to understand their bullshit when they bm you.
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all that matters is if you're good they will respect your skill i've played west with koreans brain serve and now fish and been in numerous korean clans and have had not a single issue
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Being good or speaking even two words of Korean is how you succeed in Fish, or you'll end up like Pauline and hated by everyone, nothing but free ladder points.
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Something like this might get me back to BW, because laddering on ICCUP is such a waste of time imo. The heavy competition is on fish server and thats where we need a home for foreignahs. Nice idea also if you manage to establish a good amount of people i might join it.
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Just want to let everyone know, in case they missed the other thread, that you no longer need phone verification for a ladder account on Fish.
Apparently, according to that thread, you now need 72 hours and 30 melee games (not necessarily wins) in order to ladder.
This should be a great thing for the fam and for foreigners!
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I'd like to join but I'd need some help learning the Korean needed to play on fish exclusively
ID :werd
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This is a decent investment, now pick a name. I've added a channel name poll to the main post.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qm9Gr3q.png)
Poll: Fam/Channel Name4N (Foreign) (24) 86% 05 (05 = 영오 = sounds like 영어, Korean for "English") (2) 7% FBI (Foreign Brood War Initiative, named after the Discord) (1) 4% ESC (English StarCraft) (1) 4% 28 total votes Your vote: Fam/Channel Name (Vote): 4N (Foreign)
(Vote): 05 (05 = 영오 = sounds like 영어, Korean for "English")
(Vote): FBI (Foreign Brood War Initiative, named after the Discord)
(Vote): ESC (English StarCraft)
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4N is such a dope name. Please tell me you came up with it yourself.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
4N is a really good pun. I like it.
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4N is nice! 
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On January 01 2017 22:54 notgayDragon wrote:
Jealous is right and so was the Canadian guy, like ten words and you've covered Fish. Lear TEN fucking words and you'll receive tons of respect and praise.
You actually don't want to get to that point IMO.
Sure it is awesome that you can go in the ladder channel and say "1vs1 FS D Rank gogo", but anybody thinking they will be able to hold any real conversation is idiotic. And trust me, the chance they will bm you behind their back is pretty high if you can't do that.
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Your mentality, as I said to one specific guy on the FBI Discord, is why I had to personally as TeamLiquid staff to completely remove my Fish guide. If you go in thinking "It's only ladder herp derp I don't need to learn some Korean herp derp" that makes you no better than the Peruvian shits on iCCup we're all trying to get away from.
Peru -> iCCup
Foreigners -> Fish
There are a few good Peruvians, just like there are a few good foreigners. Be a good foreigner, show some netiquette.
User was warned for this post
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United Kingdom1667 Posts
I would really like the chance to say hey to a few friendly players when I log onto Fish server, that would be really cool.
Thanks notgayDragon!
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On January 06 2017 00:28 notgayDragon wrote:
Your mentality, as I said to one specific guy on the FBI Discord, is why I had to personally as TeamLiquid staff to completely remove my Fish guide. If you go in thinking "It's only ladder herp derp I don't need to learn some Korean herp derp" that makes you no better than the Peruvian shits on iCCup we're all trying to get away from.
Peru -> iCCup
Foreigners -> Fish
There are a few good Peruvians, just like there are a few good foreigners. Be a good foreigner, show some netiquette.
so we're back to latent racism, aren't we.
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Everybody put their names down and I'll add you to the clan.
/c list to see your current clan list, there will be a number beside every clan. If you're not in one, this will be Clan 1.
/c set # ("#" being the number beside the clan) to set a specific clan as your default.
/c m to message everybody online in the clan, it will show like this:
<From: nS.euphOria> <4N> This is my first message, hello!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rAVVaFt.png)
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SCC-Faust pliz and spank you. Not sure if I have to have ladder accessible to be in a clan but I don't have ladder yet.
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You don't, you can join a clan immediately after account creation.
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You're now in, Faust. I won't congratulate everyone for getting in (rather easy, just be a decent human) but you're a friend.
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Thanks, looking forward to playing with you guys on fish!
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I made an account "4N.Atom". Please add me to the family :D
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You don't have to make a new account, but okay
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I would like to be added. ID is "jamesuh". Thank you!!!
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Hey put me in there too. My W/L is terrible but hey i like being social.
ID: Ruypture
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add me if you could, espers
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Fish ID: juzu0. I have learned 5 Korean phrases so far.
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Btw how do I make the lobby have Korean characters and not question marks ??
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On January 06 2017 14:21 Canadianboy wrote:
Btw how do I make the lobby have Korean characters and not question marks ??
Pretty sure this is the crucial step of a process:
http://www.koreanfromzero.com/install_korean/#Step_4
Read the rest of the guide for more information.
I know that in the past you had to change your location too? I don't think you have to do that anymore. It was kind of annoying when I would register for things and it would automatically give me Korean (looking at you, Dropbox) but it did help me learn how to read hangul lol.
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Peruvian people are cool, and many of them know a decent amount of English.
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On January 06 2017 15:16 ninazerg wrote:
Peruvian people are cool, and many of them know a decent amount of English.
She's one of them! GET HER! 
On January 06 2017 14:40 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 14:21 Canadianboy wrote:
Btw how do I make the lobby have Korean characters and not question marks ?? Pretty sure this is the crucial step of a process: http://www.koreanfromzero.com/install_korean/#Step_4Read the rest of the guide for more information. I know that in the past you had to change your location too? I don't think you have to do that anymore. It was kind of annoying when I would register for things and it would automatically give me Korean (looking at you, Dropbox) but it did help me learn how to read hangul lol.
Wow, I didn't know about this website. I actually learnt Japanese to start with using Japanesefromzero on yesjapan.com and I found it really, really helpful. I think I'm going to work through this!
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Added everyone that listed their name here before my school day starts.
College ==
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Can you add me? My account on fish is new, but it is already SMS verified to ladder.
ID: Parfume
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Bumps suck, they really really do especially on a site like this but I put a lot of effort into this and only ten people have joined... Lots of games with points on the line were had to afford the channel and a clan communication system.
There were three pages of people saying they'd love this, wtf happened you guys?
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LRM)iNf3cted doesn't exist.
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Sorry, I voted in the polls but thought I'd wait to get my BW skills and Korean up to par (still have some of that ladder anxiety). id: run.90s
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just play the melees on fish
i get better connection on fish than i do on laggy iccup
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id: t_o_t_o_77
All I see is question marks, how do I change that to correct korean characters?
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On January 09 2017 09:36 alexpnd wrote:
id: t_o_t_o_77
All I see is question marks, how do I change that to correct korean characters?
You're on Windows, right? It should work if you change your locale for non-unicode programs to Korean. Just do a simple web search for the Windows version you're on if you can't find it in the control panel.
edit: For whatever reason I can only host public&private games with no Hangul characters unless I'm getting bizarre coincidences typing $(gibberish)#L2, but all-English names are fine. Anyone have a recent-ish map pack? Sadists kicking me at 90%+ download. 
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RIP 4N 
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Add c_C_c please ! Thanks
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What happened to notgayDragon's account? looks like he got banned?
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On January 11 2017 00:33 ruypture wrote:
What happened to notgayDragon's account? looks like he got banned?
He said inb4 banned in some thread, which usually makes a mod temp ban you.
I'd join if I had any idea how to play brood war ^^
Edit: I just realized this guy in chankim, and I still have his guide bookmarked. Let's give this a go again
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bw not a hard game to get the grasp of if you played a decent amount of sc2
plus i find UMS and team games way more fun than sc2
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On January 11 2017 07:43 ruypture wrote:
bw not a hard game to get the grasp of if you played a decent amount of sc2
plus i find UMS and team games way more fun than sc2
really ? i always thought it will better in a more powerful engine to play ums,i never played ums in SC2 but i played some amazing ums maps in WC3.
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On January 11 2017 09:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 07:43 ruypture wrote:
bw not a hard game to get the grasp of if you played a decent amount of sc2
plus i find UMS and team games way more fun than sc2 really ? i always thought it will better in a more powerful engine to play ums,i never played ums in SC2 but i played some amazing ums maps in WC3.
SC2 custom game mods (I think that'd be the equivalent of ums?) aren't popular, and the arcade has just too many games for the player population, so it's hard to get a game going.
There are some amazing arcade games, though.
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On January 11 2017 10:22 InfCereal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 11 2017 07:43 ruypture wrote:
bw not a hard game to get the grasp of if you played a decent amount of sc2
plus i find UMS and team games way more fun than sc2 really ? i always thought it will better in a more powerful engine to play ums,i never played ums in SC2 but i played some amazing ums maps in WC3. SC2 custom game mods (I think that'd be the equivalent of ums?) aren't popular, and the arcade has just too many games for the player population, so it's hard to get a game going. There are some amazing arcade games, though.
yeah i played a lot of sc2 arcade but its always been really hard to get into a game for something that wasnt top 10 in popularity
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I closed the clan because there were 12 members, nowhere near enough to justify such a thing.
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On January 12 2017 05:51 notgayDragon wrote:
I closed the clan because there were 12 members, nowhere near enough to justify such a thing.
why dont give more time to it ? it is the first time i see you doing something educational and interesting for many people based in the polls.
im saying the first time,cuz u know well your other threads are all about how mca sux and how bad fish want to get rid of foreigners.
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On January 12 2017 05:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 05:51 notgayDragon wrote:
I closed the clan because there were 12 members, nowhere near enough to justify such a thing. why dont give more time to it ? it is the first time i see you doing something educational and interesting for many people based in the polls. im saying the first time,cuz u know well your other threads are all about how mca sux and how bad fish want to get rid of foreigners.
Right, because making the guide that reintroduced an interest to Fish as well as updating several parts of the wiki is not "doing something educational and interesting." I gave it time, nobody bothered to join. Everybody wanted it until it was actually here.
People like you are why things fall under, you don't contribute jack shit. You just leech off the Korean server for mass games in E rank, call yourself C rank, then criticize those of us that do contribute. After all the crap you say, you're only here on TeamLiquid posting right now because you've been around a while.
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notgayDragon, perhaps if you didn't take everything anyone says as some kind of personal attack, people might be more willing to help you put more time into things? I don't know a lick of Korean, I'm going to learn it now thanks to know there's a Koreanfromzero, since George (the guy who set it up) helped me learn Japanese 6 years ago and I'm still going.
Eonzerg has a certain way with words and although it may look like he's attacking you, he's not man. Everyone getting agressive for not reason makes the community toxic, it's what sucks about mobas! I wanted to join this, but I didn't get chance to make an account yet so the fact you've closed it without really letting enough people join.
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It's not personal, Eonzerg has a vendetta against me that's been around for months because I showed him screenshots of Koreans telling him to leave Fish and never return.
Back to the topic at hand though, the channel is passworded and will expire in two months.
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On January 12 2017 06:02 notgayDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 05:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 12 2017 05:51 notgayDragon wrote:
I closed the clan because there were 12 members, nowhere near enough to justify such a thing. why dont give more time to it ? it is the first time i see you doing something educational and interesting for many people based in the polls. im saying the first time,cuz u know well your other threads are all about how mca sux and how bad fish want to get rid of foreigners. Right, because making the guide that reintroduced an interest to Fish as well as updating several parts of the wiki is not "doing something educational and interesting." I gave it time, nobody bothered to join. Everybody wanted it until it was actually here. People like you are why things fall under, you don't contribute jack shit. You just leech off the Korean server for mass games in E rank, call yourself C rank, then criticize those of us that do contribute. After all the crap you say, you're only here on TeamLiquid posting right now because you've been around a while.
dunno,i didnt need a guide when i started playing on fish.none of us really,even before MCALauncher existed.we were all using wlauncher and figuring things out.u werent around.dont come now with some easy go thread copy paste traslating and pulling yourself as bw savior.people that want to play BW find a way,all the rest are excuses.when i was 16 there was a period we didnt have money to pay internet and i installed a laptop into a car where the wifi was stable enough to play bw.windows ports and many reasons,i think are excuses.if you really want something u will find a way to get it.shield battery is the best example.terrific job by them and what the final product will bring,all the lazy people will be abble to play bw without effort.thanks to their team.and to be honest right now with MCALauncher play BW is so easy,surely it has bugs,sometimes errors,but is very easy.i didnt come here to have arguments with you,just give it more time,im pretty sure lot of people will end joining to the team.like im sure many others will not since their goal was in the end to get fish id with verified number,but thats not a requirement anymore.
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You just dodged the entire point of what I said about you, which is that you're a racist bad manner asshole on Fish. And no, my tutorial was not "copy paste translated" like you say, it was written over the course of several hours detailing every bit of information available, most of which was unheard of to anybody here other than Scan (because he's Korean).
You spam gg in-game, you don't speak any Korean, you ignore when Koreans talk to you, you claim every new account that beats you is hacking, all while not knowing critical parts of Fish like the reporting system. Did anyone ever tell you that putting a username and "hacker" in your profile is how you look like a lazy asshole, rather than using the actual reporting system Nobody on Fish likes you, your attitude there sucks. You're rude as hell to everybody you play against. It's extremely disrespectful to not speak any Korean then talk about how much Koreans suck. They don't suck, they just hate you.
But no, you'll continue to say that because you got wLauncher working properly nobody needs any more info at all. You'll continue to make people think your mindset is okay, and you'll continue to introduce new people to Fish by having them read these posts.
You discourage being respectful on Fish, and I busted my ass telling the Fish admins not to ban all foreign addresses. Because of people like you, Fish has coded a foreign IP manual verification system and can be deployed at any time, unexpectedly, without notice.
But you wouldn't know or care until that meant you couldn't get back on. Then, when banned, you'd go "waaaahhhhhh racist koreans waahhhhhh they're so racist oh my god so racist racist RACIST"
"Wait what do you mean I have to speak Korean on a Korean-only server? Their language is inferior, they will speak what I speak because I am fundamentally better than them in every way. I will not learn the language of the entire server, because they are below me."
And by the way, the "you only need to say gg" argument you and Pauline keep using is a stupid one. Fish is a social server, not a fucking ladder grinder. Foreigners are the only ones that grind and don't say a word to each other. It's uncomfortable to Koreans, and it is what Fish's original goal was to avoid. Fish was built in 2004 to facilitate a community that wasn't linguistically broken. Everyone could speak to one another.
User was banned for this post.
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wow i went to this thread to see what happened to channel 4N after seeing that it was closed on fish and it seems like notgaydragon is creating issues for no reason... you create this thread and close the channel because of inactivity?? there was 12 members which i thought was a decent amount then attack eonzerg for really no reason from what i read, what is the issue ? lol, i for one dont speak korean and play fish server sometimes because i cant get consistent games on iccup because of my hosting issues, i always say gl and gg, am i a racist cancer as well?
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eqLRQoo.jpg) this is me in a saturday morning helping in a refuge of animals,walking the dogs,cleaning their places.im not perfect.not one is,but im not the asshole you are trying to make of me
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Croatia9487 Posts
Well, that was fun.
If someone else wants to make a clan or whatever on Fish for foreigners to hang out together, please make a new thread.
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Norway28582 Posts
even though the thread is closed I just gotta say that working in an animal refuge pretty much ensures that you are a decent person!! :-)
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EPT
